2025 NBA DRAFT PROSPECTS

[OakleyDokely]

This fear tanking destroys a player - look at the Wolves and Thunder.

I think the bigger fear is a player getting frustrated by all the losing and demanding out, which happens a lot to teams that have been bad for a long time.

There were whispers that Shai was getting impatient with all the losing (and sitting out) and he wanted them to start winning.

[Yallbecrazy]

If Colin Murray-Boyles adds a jumper that's good and shows significant improvement in his free throw shooting he should probably go #1 next year unless one of the top recruits has an outstanding college season. Even a decent jumper puts him firmly in the top 5.

If his jumper is terrible then he's a fringe lotto pick at best.

Even if they have a so-so years Flagg and Bailey should still be #1 and 2. CMB might be like a Scottie Barnes type of pick.

I said should rather than will. I find it pointless to do mock drafts as big boards are far more useful.
If Flagg and Bailey have freshman years with a 8.0 bpm or whatever then they will be mocked at #1 and #2, but if CMB puts up a 11+bpm year while showing the ability to shoot then he would be a full tier above them for me.

[TorontoBarneys]

This fear tanking destroys a player - look at the Wolves and Thunder.

I think the bigger fear is a player getting frustrated by all the losing and demanding out, which happens a lot to teams that have been bad for a long time.

There were whispers that Shai was getting impatient with all the losing (and sitting out) and he wanted them to start winning.

I personally believe Scottie is intelligent, mature and patient enough to handle one more year of tanking, that is, if such a thing actually happens.

Either way, we have him for 7 years, so as long as we build a winning, competitive team before that first extension elapses, we should be solid with him.

[ciueli]

This fear tanking destroys a player - look at the Wolves and Thunder.

I think the bigger fear is a player getting frustrated by all the losing and demanding out, which happens a lot to teams that have been bad for a long time.

There were whispers that Shai was getting impatient with all the losing (and sitting out) and he wanted them to start winning.

I personally believe Scottie is intelligent, mature and patient enough to handle one more year of tanking, that is, if such a thing actually happens.

Either way, we have him for 7 years, so as long as we build a winning, competitive team before that first extension elapses, we should be solid with him.

If this team isn't winning after 3 years it's going to be a bad situation. IQ will be entering his year 29 season, RJ his year 27 season, and Scottie his year 26 season. Short of signing an extension, RJ will be a free agent, IQ will be a year from being a free agent (if he gets a 4 year contract extension or an option on year 5), and even Scottie could be just 2 years away from being a free agent depending on the contract he signs.

So we don't necessarily have 6 years Scottie to build around (assuming he signs a 5 year max with no opt out), it's more like 3-4, because once you get 3 years in if you're still in no-man's land you're going to have to decide what direction to take the team and whether Scottie is a build around player. Make no mistake, there's significant pressure here to show this core can be good by at least year 3.

[Clutch0z24]

Tough to say. Season to season variability can be pretty extreme even for teams who do next to nothing upgrades wise. The 2022 vs 2023 vs 2024 Raptors is a perfect example. By all accounts, the 2023 team was more talented (post Jak trade) than 2022 and yet we experienced less success.

The 2012 and 2013 Raptors were largely the same, with the only meaningful difference getting rid of Gay and adding bench pieces and that sparked like 20 wins.

Bench depth is incredibly important to (regular season) success. If we go from having arguably the worst bench in the NBA to one who is average to above average that alone makes a big difference. Injuries dont hurt as much, your bench wins you a few games, they keep you in a few others, etc. can have a huge impact.

Not to mention, always the possibility IQ/Scottie/RJ break out big time as they are all in that "breakout" age of their careers.

The roster is to talented to win 20 games unless there are serious injuries and/or blatant tanking.

Been the same song n dance for the last while here ....I will believe it when i see it...I don't think we will be a deep team and i don't see ways we upgrade the roster that much to be good enough compared to other teams around the league who will be looking to upgrade...

We lack trade assets (All our trade assets are sunken value wise) and we are not going to trade draft picks again unless Masai wants to get fired...Free agency for the Raptors always been a wash...

Theres no real ways to improve to a 35-40 win team and even if you are in that 35-40 wins thats literally the worst place to be in anyways and its not really something to brag about being in that position in the NBA...

Its not like before where Masai had 2 legit All star high level players in DeRozan/KL and had a treasure chest of high end players we aquired through drafting over the years in top 10 and also getting lucky late in drafts.... JV, Ross, Siakam, Powell, FVV, Wright, OG,Poeltl....All players we aquired through the draft and used all of them including DeRozan to make trades to make a campionship team...

We just don't have them kind of assets on our team atm and i don't think we will for a while until we play the draft right for a few years...

I hate when people say this because it’s actually pretty dumb. There’s context that needs to be applied to being a 35-40 win team. Tell me where OKC finished last year and now tell me where they finished this year.

Now don’t bother wasting your time trying to tell me we don’t have a shai on our roster. That’s not the point the point is young teams don’t go from bottom 5 in the lottery where you wish us to finish straight to top seeds very often. No they usually gradually improve. So just because your crystal ball doesn’t show them winning 35-40 games doesn’t mean it can’t happen and it definitely doesn’t mean that’s the worst place for us to be seeing as going from 25-35-maybe 45 or 55 the year after could definitely be possible.

You do realize Shai is one of the best players in the league right? prolly top 5 and has an argument for top 3....Hes a MVP type player....Jay Dub was one of the better players from his draft class and Chet was almost ROY (This is why drafting right is so important cause without them 2 OKC are still in no mans land)...They also have decent role players around them 3....Yeah i will bring up Shai because Shai is a legit MVP and in order to be a 35-40 win team in the NBA and be happy about that position is if you have that kind of a player on your roster....Which we do not have...

We have good young players on our team but no MVP Superstar first option type....

Young teams don't go bottom 5 in the lottery? yes they do lol...They might improve a little bit but not that much if you do not have the right players and depth around the young players....We are not that deep of a team in terms of overall talent compared to most teams in the NBA today...

[Clutch0z24]

Been the same song n dance for the last while here ....I will believe it when i see it...I don't think we will be a deep team and i don't see ways we upgrade the roster that much to be good enough compared to other teams around the league who will be looking to upgrade...

We lack trade assets (All our trade assets are sunken value wise) and we are not going to trade draft picks again unless Masai wants to get fired...Free agency for the Raptors always been a wash...

Theres no real ways to improve to a 35-40 win team and even if you are in that 35-40 wins thats literally the worst place to be in anyways and its not really something to brag about being in that position in the NBA...

Its not like before where Masai had 2 legit All star high level players in DeRozan/KL and had a treasure chest of high end players we aquired through drafting over the years in top 10 and also getting lucky late in drafts.... JV, Ross, Siakam, Powell, FVV, Wright, OG,Poeltl....All players we aquired through the draft and used all of them including DeRozan to make trades to make a campionship team...

We just don't have them kind of assets on our team atm and i don't think we will for a while until we play the draft right for a few years...

I hate when people say this because it’s actually pretty dumb. There’s context that needs to be applied to being a 35-40 win team. Tell me where OKC finished last year and now tell me where they finished this year.

Now don’t bother wasting your time trying to tell me we don’t have a shai on our roster. That’s not the point the point is young teams don’t go from bottom 5 in the lottery where you wish us to finish straight to top seeds very often. No they usually gradually improve. So just because your crystal ball doesn’t show them winning 35-40 games doesn’t mean it can’t happen and it definitely doesn’t mean that’s the worst place for us to be seeing as going from 25-35-maybe 45 or 55 the year after could definitely be possible.

Especially considering when this team was healthy anyways it probably already was a 35-40 win team. The **** team won 48 and 41 games in the two seasons prior to last year. If any of our guys step up and can give Siakam level scoring (which RJ actually was doing wildly enough) there is no reason why we should not go into next season with aims to be a low playoff seed.

"Probably" Isn't a word you use when assesing the previous season....We were never on pace to win 40 games last year even after the trades...We had a good 3-5 game stretch after the trades and ended up falling off dramatically after that....

We won 48-41 games cause we had FVV....Yeah people hate on FVV here but he was a legit player and was a big reason why we were a winning team...We had FVV-OG-Siakam-Barnes-Poeltlt along with other pieces ...That i can agree is a 35-40 win team...
Also having Nick Nurse (Champion Level coach) Vs Darko who imo is not a good coach changes alot in terms of Wins.

Once we lost FVV for nothing the talent overall dropped dramatically ....Now losing proven players for unproven players in OG/Siakam for IQ/Barrett is another drop off in terms of reg season wins in the NBA...Yeah the potential is better with IQ/Barrett long term but not for next season...

Yak is an ok Center but not going to be a reason the team is a winning ball club...We lack talent overall and only way i see us being a winning or even a play in team next year is if Barnes becomes a legit MVP type player next year which i highly doubt happens.

[YogurtProducer]

I hate when people say this because it’s actually pretty dumb. There’s context that needs to be applied to being a 35-40 win team. Tell me where OKC finished last year and now tell me where they finished this year.

Now don’t bother wasting your time trying to tell me we don’t have a shai on our roster. That’s not the point the point is young teams don’t go from bottom 5 in the lottery where you wish us to finish straight to top seeds very often. No they usually gradually improve. So just because your crystal ball doesn’t show them winning 35-40 games doesn’t mean it can’t happen and it definitely doesn’t mean that’s the worst place for us to be seeing as going from 25-35-maybe 45 or 55 the year after could definitely be possible.

Especially considering when this team was healthy anyways it probably already was a 35-40 win team. The **** team won 48 and 41 games in the two seasons prior to last year. If any of our guys step up and can give Siakam level scoring (which RJ actually was doing wildly enough) there is no reason why we should not go into next season with aims to be a low playoff seed.

"Probably" Isn't a word you use when assesing the previous season....We were never on pace to win 40 games last year even after the trades...We had a good 3-5 game stretch after the trades and ended up falling off dramatically after that....

We won 48-41 games cause we had FVV....Yeah people hate on FVV here but he was a legit player and was a big reason why we were a winning team...We had FVV-OG-Siakam-Barnes-Poeltlt along with other pieces ...That i can agree is a 35-40 win team...
Also having Nick Nurse (Champion Level coach) Vs Darko who imo is not a good coach changes alot in terms of Wins.

Once we lost FVV for nothing the talent overall dropped dramatically ....Now losing proven players for unproven players in OG/Siakam for IQ/Barrett is another drop off in terms of reg season wins in the NBA...Yeah the potential is better with IQ/Barrett long term but not for next season...

Yak is an ok Center but not going to be a reason the team is a winning ball club...We lack talent overall and only way i see us being a winning or even a play in team next year is if Barnes becomes a legit MVP type player next year which i highly doubt happens.

Again, you are highly underestimating (over?) what it takes to be a low level playoff team.

Getting to .500 is more about injury luck / having depth than it is anything else. Outside the obvious **** teams (Washington, Detroit) - pretty much anyone going into a season is capable of hitting 41 wins, Toronto included. ****, the 2013 Nuggets are a great example of how important health and depth is to the regular season (57 wins, highest scorer was 16.7ppg Ty Lawson).

If we get 75+ games out of IQ, RJ, Barnes, Poeltl, GTJ, Dick, Olynyk, etc. it would be damn near impossible to be a 25-30 win team or whatever it was you suggested.

We were never on pace to win 40 games last year even after the trades...

We were 9-10 at the end of November. Literally at about .500. And that was with OG dogging it and Siakam not playing one half of the court.

It is impossible to judge this team post-trade. We had about 2 weeks of ball during a road trip with no practicing before the team ahd half its rotation get hurt.

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[Clutch0z24]

Especially considering when this team was healthy anyways it probably already was a 35-40 win team. The **** team won 48 and 41 games in the two seasons prior to last year. If any of our guys step up and can give Siakam level scoring (which RJ actually was doing wildly enough) there is no reason why we should not go into next season with aims to be a low playoff seed.

"Probably" Isn't a word you use when assesing the previous season....We were never on pace to win 40 games last year even after the trades...We had a good 3-5 game stretch after the trades and ended up falling off dramatically after that....

We won 48-41 games cause we had FVV....Yeah people hate on FVV here but he was a legit player and was a big reason why we were a winning team...We had FVV-OG-Siakam-Barnes-Poeltlt along with other pieces ...That i can agree is a 35-40 win team...
Also having Nick Nurse (Champion Level coach) Vs Darko who imo is not a good coach changes alot in terms of Wins.

Once we lost FVV for nothing the talent overall dropped dramatically ....Now losing proven players for unproven players in OG/Siakam for IQ/Barrett is another drop off in terms of reg season wins in the NBA...Yeah the potential is better with IQ/Barrett long term but not for next season...

Yak is an ok Center but not going to be a reason the team is a winning ball club...We lack talent overall and only way i see us being a winning or even a play in team next year is if Barnes becomes a legit MVP type player next year which i highly doubt happens.

Again, you are highly underestimating (over?) what it takes to be a low level playoff team.

Getting to .500 is more about injury luck / having depth than it is anything else. Outside the obvious **** teams (Washington, Detroit) - pretty much anyone going into a season is capable of hitting 41 wins, Toronto included. ****, the 2013 Nuggets are a great example of how important health and depth is to the regular season (57 wins, highest scorer was 16.7ppg Ty Lawson).

If we get 75+ games out of IQ, RJ, Barnes, Poeltl, GTJ, Dick, Olynyk, etc. it would be damn near impossible to be a 25-30 win team or whatever it was you suggested.

We were never on pace to win 40 games last year even after the trades...

We were 9-10 at the end of November. Literally at about .500. And that was with OG dogging it and Siakam not playing one half of the court.

It is impossible to judge this team post-trade. We had about 2 weeks of ball during a road trip with no practicing before the team ahd half its rotation get hurt.

If it was that easy to be .500 in the nba every team would be having an "Easy time" Some teams spend years and years struggling to get to .500 so idk what your talking about it being "Easy" winning in sports is hard especially when you lack talent like we do...Its also not about injury "Luck"....Its about having players in position that can step up when your "Starters" get injuried you have a player behind them to step up ....Just like we had back in the DD/KL days...We do not have that anymore here and thats obvious...If Barnes goes down we have McDaniels to take his spot...

You make it sound like winning 40-45 games in the NBA is "Easy" saying anytime like Wash/Det can win anytime they wanted which is just untrue...When you lack talent like we do and like the Wizards do you can't just "Win" ....You also can't bring up a team that from 2013 as an example that was a decade ago...

Its "Impossible" to be 25-30 win team when last year we won 25 and we tried to compete to start that season off...We were on pace to be a .500 team with OG/Siakam/Barnes/Schroder but still even with them we were below .500 and now we lost OG/Siakam for IQ/Barrett which is a drop off in talent in terms of winning basketball games today...

We will see but as it stands theres more of a chance we win 20-25 games next year than 35-40 ...So i think i am closer to reality than you here...

FFS LeBron/AD lakers and Steph Curry GSW struggle to hit 40 wins...We have alot less talent than them teams...

[YogurtProducer]

If it was that easy to be .500 in the nba every team would be having an "Easy time" Some teams spend years and years struggling to get to .500 so idk what your talking about it being "Easy" winning in sports is hard especially when you lack talent like we do...

Never once did I say easy. I said it is more injury luck and depth based than anything. Top end talent does not get you to the playoffs - depth does. Top end talent wins in the playoffs, but those guys are not giving it 100% for 82-games.

Its also not about injury "Luck"....Its about having players in position that can step up when your "Starters" get injuried you have a player behind them to step up ....Just like we had back in the DD/KL days...We do not have that anymore here and thats obvious...

Hyperbole much? DD/KL had one of the best benches in the league. That is why a medicore starting lineup of Lowry/Demar/DMC/Ibaka/Val could win 56 games, and why that same team had such a tough time in the playoffs. I am not saying we are gonna be anywhere near 56 wins... but if that team can win 56, you damn well better bet ours can win 41

This point here kind of proves my top one. Depth/Injury luck is probably the #1 and #2 factors to RS success.

If Barnes goes down we have McDaniels to take his spot...

Huh. Crazy. Could have sworn GTJ/Dick/Agbaji were our backup wings. Not sure what our 15th man has to do with this.

You make it sound like winning 40-45 games in the NBA is "Easy" saying anytime like Wash/Det can win anytime they wanted which is just untrue...When you lack talent like we do and like the Wizards do you can't just "Win" ....You also can't bring up a team that from 2013 as an example that was a decade ago...

WAS and DET are so bad because they lack both top end talent, and depth. When tanking teams decimate every aspect of their team, it is hard to get back up. Wizards for example have not one player you could convince yourself should start on a serious team. We have a # (Barnes, Poeltl, IQ, RJ, GTJ) that have started or in the future I would bet would start on playoff caliber teams. Not as #1, or even #2 options, but still starters. WAS is another level of bad.

Its "Impossible" to be 25-30 win team when last year we won 25 and we tried to compete to start that season off...We were on pace to be a .500 team with OG/Siakam/Barnes/Schroder but still even with them we were below .500 and now we lost OG/Siakam for IQ/Barrett which is a drop off in talent in terms of winning basketball games today...

To win 25 games it took Barnes and Poeltl both missing 20-32 games each, having Siakam/OG in constant trade rumors, having 30 players check into a game, and having 5 of our top 10 minutes played guys paly less than 50% of the games. If you cannot figure out how many factors it took to win 25 games IDK what to tell you.

We will see but as it stands theres more of a chance we win 20-25 games next year than 35-40 ...So i think i am closer to reality than you here...

Just blatantly false. Teams who win 25 or less games pull out some of the most embarrassing tank jobs of all time. If we commit to playing all year, there is a 0% chance we win 25 or less games.

FFS LeBron/AD lakers and Steph Curry GSW struggle to hit 40 wins...We have alot less talent than them teams...

GSW won 46 games and LAL won 47 games. What are you talking about?

[Clutch0z24]

If it was that easy to be .500 in the nba every team would be having an "Easy time" Some teams spend years and years struggling to get to .500 so idk what your talking about it being "Easy" winning in sports is hard especially when you lack talent like we do...

Never once did I say easy. I said it is more injury luck and depth based than anything. Top end talent does not get you to the playoffs - depth does. Top end talent wins in the playoffs, but those guys are not giving it 100% for 82-games.

Its also not about injury "Luck"....Its about having players in position that can step up when your "Starters" get injuried you have a player behind them to step up ....Just like we had back in the DD/KL days...We do not have that anymore here and thats obvious...

Hyperbole much? DD/KL had one of the best benches in the league. That is why a medicore starting lineup of Lowry/Demar/DMC/Ibaka/Val could win 56 games, and why that same team had such a tough time in the playoffs. I am not saying we are gonna be anywhere near 56 wins... but if that team can win 56, you damn well better bet ours can win 41

This point here kind of proves my top one. Depth/Injury luck is probably the #1 and #2 factors to RS success.

If Barnes goes down we have McDaniels to take his spot...

Huh. Crazy. Could have sworn GTJ/Dick/Agbaji were our backup wings. Not sure what our 15th man has to do with this.

You make it sound like winning 40-45 games in the NBA is "Easy" saying anytime like Wash/Det can win anytime they wanted which is just untrue...When you lack talent like we do and like the Wizards do you can't just "Win" ....You also can't bring up a team that from 2013 as an example that was a decade ago...

WAS and DET are so bad because they lack both top end talent, and depth. When tanking teams decimate every aspect of their team, it is hard to get back up. Wizards for example have not one player you could convince yourself should start on a serious team. We have a # (Barnes, Poeltl, IQ, RJ, GTJ) that have started or in the future I would bet would start on playoff caliber teams. Not as #1, or even #2 options, but still starters. WAS is another level of bad.

Its "Impossible" to be 25-30 win team when last year we won 25 and we tried to compete to start that season off...We were on pace to be a .500 team with OG/Siakam/Barnes/Schroder but still even with them we were below .500 and now we lost OG/Siakam for IQ/Barrett which is a drop off in talent in terms of winning basketball games today...

To win 25 games it took Barnes and Poeltl both missing 20-32 games each, having Siakam/OG in constant trade rumors, having 30 players check into a game, and having 5 of our top 10 minutes played guys paly less than 50% of the games. If you cannot figure out how many factors it took to win 25 games IDK what to tell you.

We will see but as it stands theres more of a chance we win 20-25 games next year than 35-40 ...So i think i am closer to reality than you here...

Just blatantly false. Teams who win 25 or less games pull out some of the most embarrassing tank jobs of all time. If we commit to playing all year, there is a 0% chance we win 25 or less games.

FFS LeBron/AD lakers and Steph Curry GSW struggle to hit 40 wins...We have alot less talent than them teams...

GSW won 46 games and LAL won 47 games. What are you talking about?

Funny you say "Depth" is the main reason teams win 40-45 games in a season and "Top players" have nothing to do with it makes you sound like you know nothing about basketball....Every good to great team in the NBA have top stars on their teams...Every team in the 50-60 wins have a MVP type or a just below superstar type on their team....These guys have a huge reason for teams to be high in the standings...Idk what your talking about...

And even if you argue "Depth" is the reasons teams win in reagular season...Guess what...Hate to break it to you but we friggin have Dick/Bruce Brown/GTJR/Kelly Olynyk/Atm as our "Depth" We are not winning **** with that depth prolly one of the worst benches in the league....Which just further makes you sound silly trying to say we will win so much this season when even the point your trying to argue does NOT apply to our team...

Its not impossible if we "Try" to win we will win over 25...Every team to an extent tries to win...We tried hard to win last season and look how that played out for us...Also injuries...Injuries are apart of the game and there is no chance all our guys play 82 games...Theres bound to be injuries...

Like i said as soon as we lost FVV the regular season wins we used to get with the team we had got screwed...You can look at the years we won 48/41 games we had FVV on them rosters along with OG/Siakam....NOW we have none of them players who could be a meh middling team...

We now have alot of unproven young players and a few not that good vets ....The team is not a playoff team idk what to tell you...If you think we are then hats off to ya but be ready to be disappointed...

And as for the LeBron/AD , Curry example....Im not talking about this year im talking about in general....They both have better teams than us by a mile and they struggle every year to make it to the playoffs....Last few years they been low seeds to play in teams And its been a struggle...once they hit the playoffs they can pull out series wins but to get there is a struggle.

Also at the time the KL/DD pairing was one of the better backcourts in the whole NBA...They weren't a championship duo but they were always a deep playoff team duo and one of the better ones in the NBA...Ibaka was still one of the better big men in the NBA and JV was no slouch....Along with the bench...But we do not even have that kind of talent anymore so idk why your calling them teams we had in the past mediocre?...We also struggled in the playoffs with them teams because LeBron James was running the east during them times...We beat every team almost if it wasn't a LBJ lead team...

[YogurtProducer]

Funny you say "Depth" is the main reason teams win 40-45 games in a season and "Top players" have nothing to do with it makes you sound like you know nothing about basketball....Every good to great team in the NBA have top stars on their teams...Every team in the 50-60 wins have a MVP type or a just below superstar type on their team....These guys have a huge reason for teams to be high in the standings...Idk what your talking about...

Never said top players have nothing to do with it, that is you putting words in my mouth. Obviously great teams have great players. Btu you know what else those 50/60 win teams have? A bench. It is damn near impossible to win that many game without a bench winning some and giving your stars the ability to miss games and/or not play 38mpg.

And even if you argue "Depth" is the reasons teams win in reagular season...Guess what...Hate to break it to you but we friggin have Dick/Bruce Brown/GTJR/Kelly Olynyk/Atm as our "Depth" We are not winning **** with that depth prolly one of the worst benches in the league....Which just further makes you sound silly trying to say we will win so much this season when even the point your trying to argue does NOT apply to our team...

You gotta look around the league man. Brown/GTJ/Olynyk along gives us a formidable bench. If Dick improves to a rotation caliber player that is just gravy.

You are heavily out of touch with what other teams have on their bench if you think Brown/GTJ/Olynyk would not be an above average bench crew.

Its not impossible if we "Try" to win we will win over 25...Every team to an extent tries to win...We tried hard to win last season and look how that played out for us...Also injuries...Injuries are apart of the game and there is no chance all our guys play 82 games...Theres bound to be injuries...

When we pulled the plug we were on a 31-game win pace, with 40% of our starting lineup clearly dogging it. That right there is just further proof of how hard it is to be a 20-25 win team.

Where did I say our guys have to play 82 games? Injury luck means Poeltl plays more than 50, and Barnes more than 60 or that IQ/RJ dont also miss 10+ games in a half season again (and all 4 dont happen at the same time).

And as for the LeBron/AD , Curry example....Im not talking about this year im talking about in general....They both have better teams than us by a mile and they struggle every year to make it to the playoffs....Last few years they been low seeds to play in teams And its been a struggle...once they hit the playoffs they can pull out series wins but to get there is a struggle.

The GSW "sturggle to win 40" but in reality, have won 46, 44, and 53 in the last 3 years.

Same with LA. They "struggle" to win 40 but you ignore LBJ and AD's games played (and also that their supporting cast outside of those 2 is complete dog ****). LBJ/AD combined games - 81 in 2021, 96 in 2022, 110 in 2023, 147 in 2024 (oh look! The year they win 47 is the year those two actually play! Injury luck in practice!)

Pretty gave up on your post here. You clearly dont follow the league outside of Toronto.

[Clutch0z24]

Funny you say "Depth" is the main reason teams win 40-45 games in a season and "Top players" have nothing to do with it makes you sound like you know nothing about basketball....Every good to great team in the NBA have top stars on their teams...Every team in the 50-60 wins have a MVP type or a just below superstar type on their team....These guys have a huge reason for teams to be high in the standings...Idk what your talking about...

Never said top players have nothing to do with it, that is you putting words in my mouth. Obviously great teams have great players. Btu you know what else those 50/60 win teams have? A bench. It is damn near impossible to win that many game without a bench winning some and giving your stars the ability to miss games and/or not play 38mpg.

And even if you argue "Depth" is the reasons teams win in reagular season...Guess what...Hate to break it to you but we friggin have Dick/Bruce Brown/GTJR/Kelly Olynyk/Atm as our "Depth" We are not winning **** with that depth prolly one of the worst benches in the league....Which just further makes you sound silly trying to say we will win so much this season when even the point your trying to argue does NOT apply to our team...

You gotta look around the league man. Brown/GTJ/Olynyk along gives us a formidable bench. If Dick improves to a rotation caliber player that is just gravy.

You are heavily out of touch with what other teams have on their bench if you think Brown/GTJ/Olynyk would not be an above average bench crew.

Its not impossible if we "Try" to win we will win over 25...Every team to an extent tries to win...We tried hard to win last season and look how that played out for us...Also injuries...Injuries are apart of the game and there is no chance all our guys play 82 games...Theres bound to be injuries...

When we pulled the plug we were on a 31-game win pace, with 40% of our starting lineup clearly dogging it. That right there is just further proof of how hard it is to be a 20-25 win team.

Where did I say our guys have to play 82 games? Injury luck means Poeltl plays more than 50, and Barnes more than 60 or that IQ/RJ dont also miss 10+ games in a half season again (and all 4 dont happen at the same time).

And as for the LeBron/AD , Curry example....Im not talking about this year im talking about in general....They both have better teams than us by a mile and they struggle every year to make it to the playoffs....Last few years they been low seeds to play in teams And its been a struggle...once they hit the playoffs they can pull out series wins but to get there is a struggle.

The GSW "sturggle to win 40" but in reality, have won 46, 44, and 53 in the last 3 years.

Same with LA. They "struggle" to win 40 but you ignore LBJ and AD's games played (and also that their supporting cast outside of those 2 is complete dog ****). LBJ/AD combined games - 81 in 2021, 96 in 2022, 110 in 2023, 147 in 2024 (oh look! The year they win 47 is the year those two actually play! Injury luck in practice!)

Pretty gave up on your post here. You clearly dont follow the league outside of Toronto.

Lol...And you think GTJR/Dick/Kelly/Brown (who won't even be here next season) is a 40-45 win bench...Your out of touch from reality on this one....That bench is complete dog ****...These type of bench "Pieces" are not going to bring us to a 40-45 win record...On top of the bench being not that good our starters are also decent but not a playoff starting lineup just yet..

I wont be shocked if we start the year off slow and Poeltl quietly asks to be traded if he already didn't request one this offseason...He won't wanna be apart of a losing/rebuilding team..



This as of now is our depth chart...
Liberty wouldn't crack a teams rotation if hes on another team, Dick wasn't a rotation player for half the year last year and still has alot to prove, Brown who won't be here next year will prolly get traded for future draft picks and another unrpoven young player, Agbaji too young to give an opinion on but won't really help us all that much in terms of reg season wins, Olynyk a good player but hes 33 years old...Hes like a louis Scola type at this stage in his career...

Now for the starters...
Barnes an all star but not a MVP/First option type, Yak is a mid Center in terms of the Centers around the league hes not an all star but not a scrub just a good Center, RJ Barrett is good but is he better than OG or Siakam right now? prolly not, IQ is exciting to watch develop but this will be his first year being the starting PG for a whole year....So it will be an up and down year with him i predict as hes still developing into his own, GTJR is highly hot n cold...One week you get good one week you get terrible...

Don't get me wrong i do like the direction we are taking with the roster and the young players we are trending towards but i do not expect a good year next season...And i do watch alot of basketball outside of Raptors ....Thats why i know this team is not as good as you and some fans stuck in the Raptors bubble think..I watch the meh teams to the good teams and we are not on the level as the good teams in the NBA and if you watched the teams play you would see that...

Another thing is Coaching...I honestly don't think darko is a NBA level coach...He has good energy but in terms of being a NBA coach hes not on that level...I think he would thrive as an assistant coach but someone else needs to be running the team if you want to win 40-45 games...

[ArthurVandelay]

The off season has to unfold but, yeah, this team as currently constructed will be lucky to hit 30 wins…and I’m more than fine with that. Going to take some crazy draft hits and trades to change that.

[ArthurVandelay]

One of the biggest storylines heading into Eurocamp was Joson Sanon's commitment flip from Arizona to Arizona State.

"Arizona would have been a good spot, but the deal was for Caleb Love to get drafted and I'd have that role," Sanon told B/R. "He ended up announcing he'd be going back, so I wound up going to the rival school, and it set off some heat."

"Coach Bobby Hurley explained how he would be getting me the ball, and show me different ways to score on and off the ball."

Sanon was the clear lead guard for USA Select at Eurocamp, and he should have the freedom and skill set to be a focal point of the Sun Devils' offense, especially with Frankie Collins transferring to TCU.

Sanon instantly pops with a 6'6" NBA frame, shooting versatility/range and some point guard acumen. He shined through tough losses in Treviso against older competition. He came out on Saturday focused on running the offense and getting teammates involved. But he looked more aggressive on Sunday (23 points) before catching fire on Monday to drop 30 points (including six made threes) in 28 minutes, the highest-scoring output of the event.

He started hot in both games, drilling four jumpers in the first quarter of each. Shooting seems to separate Sanon from most guards his age right now. He made 12-of-26 threes throughout the event, effectively generating rhythm for himself with hesitation dribbles and good footwork for shot prep.

He also put pressure on defenses with his dribble and ability to initiate contact and finish after it. He's strong below the rim. Sanon got to his spots and scored off two feet, both on drives and pull-ups.

Maurizio Gherardini, Eurocamp's founder, acknowledged Sanon's impressive shooting and told him his immediate focus should be on the details and getting tough defensively.

"Reading the defense better, seeing the court," Sanon said was a priority for him moving forward.

How effectively he's able to create for teammates next year will play a key role in his draft stock and teams' willingness to see him as a big point guard rather than a combo.

He didn't mince words when asked about his expected stay at Arizona State. "I'm one-and-done."

Sanon will appear in the first round of our 2025 mock draft that's dropping later this month.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10123303-biggest-nba-draft-takeaways-from-adidas-eurocamp-2024

[nonameguy]

....Yeah i will bring up Shai because Shai is a legit MVP and in order to be a 35-40 win team in the NBA and be happy about that position is if you have that kind of a player on your roster....Which we do not have...

Wait .. to win 35 or 40 games you need an MVP caliber player? That's crazy talk.. there's only 9 teams in the league that DIDN'T win that many games. Your bar for success is being a .450 team?

[Indeed]

I think the bigger fear is a player getting frustrated by all the losing and demanding out, which happens a lot to teams that have been bad for a long time.

There were whispers that Shai was getting impatient with all the losing (and sitting out) and he wanted them to start winning.

I personally believe Scottie is intelligent, mature and patient enough to handle one more year of tanking, that is, if such a thing actually happens.

Either way, we have him for 7 years, so as long as we build a winning, competitive team before that first extension elapses, we should be solid with him.

If this team isn't winning after 3 years it's going to be a bad situation. IQ will be entering his year 29 season, RJ his year 27 season, and Scottie his year 26 season. Short of signing an extension, RJ will be a free agent, IQ will be a year from being a free agent (if he gets a 4 year contract extension or an option on year 5), and even Scottie could be just 2 years away from being a free agent depending on the contract he signs.

So we don't necessarily have 6 years Scottie to build around (assuming he signs a 5 year max with no opt out), it's more like 3-4, because once you get 3 years in if you're still in no-man's land you're going to have to decide what direction to take the team and whether Scottie is a build around player. Make no mistake, there's significant pressure here to show this core can be good by at least year 3.

Yes, it is possible by then, we shouldnt build around Barnes. Hopefully we get a good player as our backup plan on our next draft.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Jim Todd Jr.]

lol at people here arguing about whether we are a 25 win team or a 30 win team and actin like they can quantify that

[DG88]

This draft is deep and there are a lot of great young prospects.