Why The Raptors Should Explore Trading Jakob Poeltl To The Knicks

[Cyrus]

If they want to tank real hard, this is the guy you move, they don't v reallyhave good depth here and one of the quick ways to pivot on season if they end up being bad again

[KrazyP]

Just cant see us going back to having no C on the roster and forcing a guy like Scottie to play small ball C all year.

This. Having a competent, experienced player at C is an element every rebuilding team needs. Otherwise the team will end up playing a janky, gimmick oriented system not really condusive to proper player development....especially for shooters like Dick, Walter that will rely on hard screens, passing, movement and you certainly dont want Barnes covering Cs defensively.

Trading Poeltl is certainly an option but not reasonable if there isnt a plan in place to bring a C back. Olynyk isnt it...way too soft. Goga Bitazde could have been a decent, cheap stop gap but he re-signed in Orlando.

[YelloC]

Did OP use ChatGPT to write their post?

He used ButtGPT.

ShatGPT.

[agkagk]

I think bare minimum the plans to rebuild the culture and player pipeline.


Pretty sure jakub and kelly are glorified player coaches atm.

Young players cant develop without playing next to winning vets (best case scenario you get an embiid).

I understand the sentiment— knicks and boston are legit contenders.

Philly has a 2 year window.


Milwaukee is a kcp away from being elite.


Best case scenario, our window is 2 years away.


Still, jakub’s probably more valuable as a mentor for a year or 2.

[ArthurVandelay]

Knicks aren’t a good trade partner.

Their draft assets are glorified second round picks.
They don’t have $12m in salary to send out for Poeltl.
They are just under luxury tax.

If they are just under the salary cap they can use the MLE as a TPE, right?

Salary cap yes

But Knicks are well beyond cap. They are just under tax

[agkagk]

Knicks aren’t a good trade partner.

Their draft assets are glorified second round picks.
They don’t have $12m in salary to send out for Poeltl.
They are just under luxury tax.

If they are just under the salary cap they can use the MLE as a TPE, right?

Salary cap yes

But Knicks are well beyond cap. They are just under tax

If im the knicks, im emptying the clip and offering the raptors mitchell robinson and every future necessary.


In a vaccum og brunson bridges randle jakub with hart leading a good bench is the best team in the league by a good margin.

Very valid all in move from their standpoint.

Op’s on too something.

These gm’s suck — i mean the bucks are a kcp away from being legit.

The lakers keep chasing stars, when

bruce brown - russell - lebron - ad - lopez

is a top 3 - 5 team.

knicks seem to get it. Its worth their investment to overpay here.

[Indeed]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

[agkagk]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

[bluerap23]

mods snoozing in off-season

[Indeed]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

[Los_29]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

[Basketball_Jones]

trading poetl makes no sense. the team loses badly without a center and his contract is reasonable.

Tank for Bailey or Flagg.

I’d love to tank for Flagg. He’s got guard and shooting skills to play the 3/4 with Scottie and RJ moves back to shooting guard. Would be insane.

[Thaddy]

Poeltl is a key stone.

If Barrett, Barnes, Quickely, Dick, and a few other guys take steps forward we can be competitive a lot sooner than we originally thought.

If the East is too competitive we can easily trade, purposely make a hole at the 5, and tank for a top 5 pick. That would give us cap room or an exception, additional picks or a prospect.

[Center]
Flagg - Olynyk
Barnes - Walter
Barrett - Dick
Quickely

If Chomche, Mogbo, Shead, Mitchell, Agbaji or another prospect shows strides we can put together a deal for a C.

[Appostis]

Knicks really don't have the trade assets...

If you're making a thread..maybe spell the player's name correctly.

[Johnny Bball]

Lol. People complained endlessly that Poeltl cost a FRP. Now the same people...you can't beleive that Kessler is worth 2 FRPs and that Poeltl is worth the same or more.

Nobody offered two actual FRPs for Kessler. The best proof of that is Kessler is still on the Jazz. And if Poeltl was worth more, he would also be gone already. You can't beleive everything you read especially when it makes no sense.

[ash_k]

Poeltl is a key stone.

If Barrett, Barnes, Quickely, Dick, and a few other guys take steps forward we can be competitive a lot sooner than we originally thought.

If the East is too competitive we can easily trade, purposely make a hole at the 5, and tank for a top 5 pick. That would give us cap room or an exception, additional picks or a prospect.

[Center]
Flagg - Olynyk
Barnes - Walter
Barrett - Dick
Quickely

If Chomche, Mogbo, Shead, Mitchell, Agbaji or another prospect shows strides we can put together a deal for a C.

It would be the end of Scottie (and IQ) as the Franchise player if we can't compete next season..meaning making the playoffs, especially with Jak.
30-52 record like many seem to predict would only mean more bad coaching if no major injuries hit us again.
Reminder 7-7 with IQ, RJ,Scottie and Yak..despite a poor coach learning on the job.

[mowcrowbar]

The Raps should try exploring to get Victor Wembanyama, but its not going to be done either.

[Indeed]

People here continue to believe other FOs are willing to take on the bad contract of Poeltl.

Those old days Knicks FO will do it, but not anymore, and most teams can find a cheaper contract these days for a C.

Dudes like Claxton and Hartenstein are making 25 and 29 million a year.

Poeltl at 19 million is on a very solid deal. 19 million is easy to move especially when Poeltl is a good player. Hartenstein’s contract is basically untradeable which luckily OKC understands. Even Claxton’s 25 million is a lot harder to accommodate.

Jakub’s contract is at worst fair market value.


Harks getting 29, jakub 20.

Spoiler: jakub’s the better player and by a good margin!

Claxton is making 25 on his new deal. hes most definitely NOT 25% better than jakub.


I promise you. Dont worry, jakub’s contact has surplus value.

Edit: jakub is the most vanilla version of marc gasol ever. He looks like “wheres waldo” and i mean, seriously, bro you dont even make 3’s.

Hes about as vanilla and fundamental as they come.

100% his best skill is his vision and compete. Just like marc.

I am not seeing how Poeltl better than those players, stock wise, Poeltl doesn't stand out. Furthermore, he can't shoot free throw, he can't close game.

They are all comparable and I’d argue many would prefer Poeltl over those guys. He also makes much less. Presti would’ve rather given us assets for Poeltl than to have Hartenstein for free.

I seriously doubt other FOs are interested in Poeltl over those being younger.
And BPM of Poeltl is only 0.7, while the other 2s are better.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I don't think Yak is going anywhere without a plan to bring in a young C that we think will replace him. It seems like at the draft we were willing to move him to select Clingan.

[Scase]

If they want to tank real hard, this is the guy you move, they don't v reallyhave good depth here and one of the quick ways to pivot on season if they end up being bad again

They don't have the stones, it's gonna be another attempt at middle out re-tooling.