2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[Mr Swagtastic]

https://torontosun.com/sports/basketball/nba/toronto-raptors/five-trade-ideas-for-the-raptors-as-nba-deal-season-approaches

Raptors trade Bruce Brown to Detroit for Simone Fontecchio, Wendell Moore Jr. and 2025 Raptors second round pick.

Raptors trade Davion Mitchell to Orlando for Gary Harris, Boston’s 2025 second and Orlando’s 2026 second

Toronto trades Gradey Dick, Brown, Kelly Olynyk and Mitchell to Chicago for Zach LaVine, Talen Horton-Tucker and Julian Philips

Toronto trades Poeltl, Mitchell, Jamison Battle to Golden State for Jonathan Kuminga, Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, Gui Santos, 2028 Golden State first (Top 3 protected)

Houston might make more sense for Poeltl (with Mitchell also going for Cam Whitmore, Brooklyn’s 2027 first and Steven Adams and Jeff Green to make the money work).

1st deal I could live with in fact it's actually not bad.. Fontecchio is signed for next year at $8 million but could be swapped for an expiring at the deadline and top 50 protected pick

2nd I rather keep Mitchell he's a very good defender and fits with IQ or on the second unit with Gradey. Harris is okay but does Toronto want a couple mid to late late second round picks over Mitchell? I doubt it

3rd is terrible for Toronto. Zach isn't worth a whole lot or else Chicago would've moved him by now. He is owed a bunch of money and I don't like the fit in it RJ. Julian Phillips and THT are not great either. We become a treadmill team trying to fight for the play in

4th. I hate the Kuminga and Barnes fit both are athletic PF types who aren't great outside shooters. Looney is not that good, Payton is a jag. Santos gets waived because he's not anything good and I doubt GSW is bad enough a couple years from now. Curry is still playing at an elite level.

5th is a easy yes. Brooklyn is clearly waiving the white flag for Cooper Flagg. I don't see them out of the top 5-10 in the draft unless they cash in their picks now for a star which is unlikely

[Mr Swagtastic]

These rumors are why I hate fake writers to sum it up its suggesting Toronto moves Gradey Dick plus IQ, picks plus anything minus Scottie for Luka Doncic I mean are they stupid? Luka isn't going anywhere he's probably the most untouchable player next to Wemby.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/raptors-could-trade-gradey-dick-unexpected-blockbuster-mavs-215-million-superstar/bec29d21b36a5f65ea27ece1

Well...
I mean if we are getting Luka, I guess I could be convinced to include Gradey.

Obviously you trade everything on this team for Luka including Barnes. Luka isn't on any trade block. If he were I am sure OKC gives up anything but SGA to get him. I don't think Toronto could compete with Chet, all their picks plus Jalen Williams or Dort etc serious question who could honestly put a godfather offer for him where Dallas says yeah we accept

[greekman]

rj for williamson

[sidsid]

https://torontosun.com/sports/basketball/nba/toronto-raptors/five-trade-ideas-for-the-raptors-as-nba-deal-season-approaches

Toronto trades Poeltl, Mitchell, Jamison Battle to Golden State for Jonathan Kuminga, Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, Gui Santos, 2028 Golden State first (Top 3 protected)

First off,
Moving Battle is a non-starter!!!!!!

But just a question in general for the masses regarding Kuminga,
Do we want to be the team that is paying him around 30-35m+ for the next four seasons or so?

I feel like any trade involving young guys who are getting or asking for $30M+ a season means RJ is going out the other way. Now, would we rather pay RJ his current salary or flip him for someone like Kuminga?

The Warriors are not trading basically 2/3rds of what they'd want to give up for Lauri just for Jak. RJ pretty much would be in a deal (add Dennis+ for salary match at deadline) with Jak for them to fill the holes they're looking for.

Kuminga filling the RJ money next year instead of 2 years from now. Not ideally what I'd want to do, but probably even less enthused about giving RJ that money a year later.

[Childs]

"I can only speak for myself. I love Oklahoma City and I can’t see a world where I’m not in Oklahoma City," Gilgeous-Alexander said. "I’m comfortable where I am. I like where I am. I love the people in the organization, love the people around me, and those are the things that matter.

"I go to work every day with a smile on my face. Me personally, the market doesn’t matter. The money doesn’t matter to a certain extent. But as long as I enjoy what I’m doing at a very high level, I love the people that I’m around doing it."

Gilgeous-Alexander has two seasons beyond this one remaining on his contract with the Thunder. The MVP candidate will be extension-eligible this offseason. However, Gilgeous-Alexander could delay signing an extension, until he's able to add a fifth year to his deal in the summer of 2026.

Yeah he was never going to come here. Which is the right thing to do.

[Morris_Shatford]

serious question who could honestly put a godfather offer for him where Dallas says yeah we accept

I think your OKC, anything but Shai is tempting
The Nets have a ton of picks but do they have the pieces?
Maybe Houston?

[Spida888]

"I can only speak for myself. I love Oklahoma City and I can’t see a world where I’m not in Oklahoma City," Gilgeous-Alexander said. "I’m comfortable where I am. I like where I am. I love the people in the organization, love the people around me, and those are the things that matter.

"I go to work every day with a smile on my face. Me personally, the market doesn’t matter. The money doesn’t matter to a certain extent. But as long as I enjoy what I’m doing at a very high level, I love the people that I’m around doing it."

Gilgeous-Alexander has two seasons beyond this one remaining on his contract with the Thunder. The MVP candidate will be extension-eligible this offseason. However, Gilgeous-Alexander could delay signing an extension, until he's able to add a fifth year to his deal in the summer of 2026.

Yeah he was never going to come here. Which is the right thing to do.

Saw the same thing, and lost a little hope, but you never know how things look in a few years.

I'm sure he's loved by everyone there, and he loves OKC too. He's also incentivized to secure the most lucrative supermax that pays him almost 79M AAV! It'll be interesting to see what OKC looks like in a couple of years when they'll be a tax team after paying Chet and JDub.

[Mr Swagtastic]

serious question who could honestly put a godfather offer for him where Dallas says yeah we accept

I think your OKC, anything but Shai is tempting
The Nets have a ton of picks but do they have the pieces?
Maybe Houston?

Brooklyn has the picks but not the players to keep Luka happy. I doubt Dallas wants to trade Luka within state to a rival. Honestly I only see OKC or Denver as the 2 teams that could make a move. Problem is who says no first to a Luka for Jokic swap?

[bballsparkin]

^^Denver. Luka is not playing for that team.

[Ell Curry]

I know we never sign top free agents, but I was looking at if we have 2027 cap space if we just let Barrett expire or trade him for garbage and a pick expiring at the same time:

C - Poeltl - 2026 INDY - Chomche - 28M
(if Poeltl is at 22, the Indy pick at 4, Chomche at 2)

PF - Barnes - Mogbo - 50M
(assuming Mogbo is signed for 5M a year with raises coming)

SF - 2026 TOR - Agbaji - 19M
(Assuming Agbaji is at 13M a year and the first is around #10 next year, so 6M-ish)

SG -2025 TOR - Walter - Dick - 31M
(Assuming 10 for #5 this year, Grady is at 15M a year, Walter is at 5.8)

PG - Quickley - Shead - 37M
(Quickley is at 32M a year, Shead let's say is on 5M a year with raises coming)

and our 2nd from this year making 2M a year as a 14th guy.

That's about 13M in space. Not enough to really sign anyone. You'd need to say move Gradey and Agbaji for expirings and future picks (maybe late firsts for both or 1 first and like 4 2nds, hard to project Gradey) and then you're at 41M or so, maybe 38M if we've kept Battle and signed him cheap. That's starting to look closer to a max if you send out Poeltl in a S+T and the max is a center (Jokic, Towns, AD) or definitely a max if Quickley is sent out and we can sign a guard (Luka, Mitchell, Trae).

That all feel pipe-dream ish. We can definitely fit a very highly paid paid player in with an expiring RJ + Agbaji trade in the summer of 2026 or deadline 2027 if we're done tanking, which hopefully we will be (or it might be move Barnes for many, many first rounders time), though we will also still likely be in wait and see mode with 2 rookies joining the rotation.

[Ell Curry]

First off,
Moving Battle is a non-starter!!!!!!

But just a question in general for the masses regarding Kuminga,
Do we want to be the team that is paying him around 30-35m+ for the next four seasons or so?

I feel like any trade involving young guys who are getting or asking for $30M+ a season means RJ is going out the other way. Now, would we rather pay RJ his current salary or flip him for someone like Kuminga?

The Warriors are not trading basically 2/3rds of what they'd want to give up for Lauri just for Jak. RJ pretty much would be in a deal (add Dennis+ for salary match at deadline) with Jak for them to fill the holes they're looking for.

Kuminga filling the RJ money next year instead of 2 years from now. Not ideally what I'd want to do, but probably even less enthused about giving RJ that money a year later.

I feel like the Warriors trade is simpler, just something like this:

Raptors - 2025 top 10 protected Warriors pick + Looney + Payton JR
Warriors - Poeltl

and the Warriors don't get to dodge the tax but do get a center.

Poeltl/TJD
Draymond/Wiggins/Anderson
Kuminga/Wiggins/Moody
Hield/Podz/Moody
Curry/Schroder/Podz

is a solid 10 man rotation, and they have all their picks and maybe an expiring Wiggins or Kuminga locked in at like 30M a year + picks for a star in his late prime gives Curry + Draymond one more shot at a title, KD coming back would be classic NBA soap opera stuff and Kuminga + Anderson + Moody (add a pick or 2) would probably fit cap-wise and give the Suns some younger forwards to go with Booker and maybe a pick brings them a C or PG and the other can be filled with an expiring Nurkic + Grayson Allen + Suns 2031 kinda deal to give them a passable starting lineup where Booker is the old guy at 30 and Beal is sadly whiling away his days as a really good 6th man or they play Booker at the 3 and Moody is the 6th man.

[ArthurVandelay]

I feel like any trade involving young guys who are getting or asking for $30M+ a season means RJ is going out the other way. Now, would we rather pay RJ his current salary or flip him for someone like Kuminga?

The Warriors are not trading basically 2/3rds of what they'd want to give up for Lauri just for Jak. RJ pretty much would be in a deal (add Dennis+ for salary match at deadline) with Jak for them to fill the holes they're looking for.

Kuminga filling the RJ money next year instead of 2 years from now. Not ideally what I'd want to do, but probably even less enthused about giving RJ that money a year later.

I feel like the Warriors trade is simpler, just something like this:

Raptors - 2025 top 10 protected Warriors pick + Looney + Payton JR
Warriors - Poeltl

and the Warriors don't get to dodge the tax but do get a center.

Poeltl/TJD
Draymond/Wiggins/Anderson
Kuminga/Wiggins/Moody
Hield/Podz/Moody
Curry/Schroder/Podz

is a solid 10 man rotation, and they have all their picks and maybe an expiring Wiggins or Kuminga locked in at like 30M a year + picks for a star in his late prime gives Curry + Draymond one more shot at a title, KD coming back would be classic NBA soap opera stuff and Kuminga + Anderson + Moody (add a pick or 2) would probably fit cap-wise and give the Suns some younger forwards to go with Booker and maybe a pick brings them a C or PG and the other can be filled with an expiring Nurkic + Grayson Allen + Suns 2031 kinda deal to give them a passable starting lineup where Booker is the old guy at 30 and Beal is sadly whiling away his days as a really good 6th man or they play Booker at the 3 and Moody is the 6th man.

Warriors can’t take back more than they send out

Tough to make a trade for Poeltl for expirings unless Schroder is included

[Thaddy]

How the hell does Pat Bev get a first rounder but we can't for twice the player in Bruce Brown?

[Tripod]

How the hell does Pat Bev get a first rounder but we can't for twice the player in Bruce Brown?

When was that?

[MiamiSPX]

"I can only speak for myself. I love Oklahoma City and I can’t see a world where I’m not in Oklahoma City," Gilgeous-Alexander said. "I’m comfortable where I am. I like where I am. I love the people in the organization, love the people around me, and those are the things that matter.

"I go to work every day with a smile on my face. Me personally, the market doesn’t matter. The money doesn’t matter to a certain extent. But as long as I enjoy what I’m doing at a very high level, I love the people that I’m around doing it."

Gilgeous-Alexander has two seasons beyond this one remaining on his contract with the Thunder. The MVP candidate will be extension-eligible this offseason. However, Gilgeous-Alexander could delay signing an extension, until he's able to add a fifth year to his deal in the summer of 2026.

Yeah he was never going to come here. Which is the right thing to do.

I always assume a player wouldn't want to play in Toronto if given the choice (even Canadians IMO). With SGA though, he actually lives in the GTA in the offseason. That is unlike any other player and why I think there is a sliver of hope. Don't ruin that for me.

[sidsid]

"I can only speak for myself. I love Oklahoma City and I can’t see a world where I’m not in Oklahoma City," Gilgeous-Alexander said. "I’m comfortable where I am. I like where I am. I love the people in the organization, love the people around me, and those are the things that matter.

"I go to work every day with a smile on my face. Me personally, the market doesn’t matter. The money doesn’t matter to a certain extent. But as long as I enjoy what I’m doing at a very high level, I love the people that I’m around doing it."

Gilgeous-Alexander has two seasons beyond this one remaining on his contract with the Thunder. The MVP candidate will be extension-eligible this offseason. However, Gilgeous-Alexander could delay signing an extension, until he's able to add a fifth year to his deal in the summer of 2026.

Yeah he was never going to come here. Which is the right thing to do.

He would more than likely walk if the team was mediocre to bad, especially if OKC had been treadmilling and trading draft capital along the way.

They patiently built a contender around him. In part because they weren't sure if he was a piece to build around, but Presti isn't new to relying on the draft.

It's the lesson to take for all rebuilds. With the CBA, you usually have up to 7 years of player control on whoever you draft. You should spend those years building a foundation to keep your stars, not shortsighted moves around the present that will lead you to losing them.

[Tripod]

The chances of SGA ever coming to the Raps is slim.

But he is never going to say anything other than he wants to be in OKC. He has no incentive to say anything else even if he DID want to play for the Raps someday.

[Ell Curry]

Raptors - 2025 top 10 protected Warriors pick + Looney + Payton JR
Warriors - Poeltl


Warriors can’t take back more than they send out

Tough to make a trade for Poeltl for expirings unless Schroder is included

You can probably send Kyle Anderson out somewhere, like maybe Detroit takes for nothing? Chicago can do Jevon Carter for Kyle Anderson if they aren't tanking. Spurs maybe, with Tre Jones going somewhere else?

[Ell Curry]

How the hell does Pat Bev get a first rounder but we can't for twice the player in Bruce Brown?

He just makes too much money and the amount of bad contracts has gone way down. Far less Deng/Mozgov style signings happening.

It's like a smaller version of what Miami is facing with the Jimmy Butler situation.

[Spida888]

The Warriors are not trading basically 2/3rds of what they'd want to give up for Lauri just for Jak. RJ pretty much would be in a deal (add Dennis+ for salary match at deadline) with Jak for them to fill the holes they're looking for.

Kuminga filling the RJ money next year instead of 2 years from now. Not ideally what I'd want to do, but probably even less enthused about giving RJ that money a year later.

I feel like the Warriors trade is simpler, just something like this:

Raptors - 2025 top 10 protected Warriors pick + Looney + Payton JR
Warriors - Poeltl

and the Warriors don't get to dodge the tax but do get a center.

Poeltl/TJD
Draymond/Wiggins/Anderson
Kuminga/Wiggins/Moody
Hield/Podz/Moody
Curry/Schroder/Podz

is a solid 10 man rotation, and they have all their picks and maybe an expiring Wiggins or Kuminga locked in at like 30M a year + picks for a star in his late prime gives Curry + Draymond one more shot at a title, KD coming back would be classic NBA soap opera stuff and Kuminga + Anderson + Moody (add a pick or 2) would probably fit cap-wise and give the Suns some younger forwards to go with Booker and maybe a pick brings them a C or PG and the other can be filled with an expiring Nurkic + Grayson Allen + Suns 2031 kinda deal to give them a passable starting lineup where Booker is the old guy at 30 and Beal is sadly whiling away his days as a really good 6th man or they play Booker at the 3 and Moody is the 6th man.

Warriors can’t take back more than they send out

Tough to make a trade for Poeltl for expirings unless Schroder is included

Warriors can also include Gui Santos + Lindy Waters III to make the salaries work? Poeltl for 2025 GSW Pick + Looney + Payton JR + Santos + Waters III. Seems to work in both ESPN and Fanspo trade machines.

Gui has a team option next year and Lindy is expiring this year. Not sure how important these guys are to the Warriors rotation though, haven't watched them much.