Poll: Zion or Ingram?

[Pointgod]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

[MEDIC]

Zion would be a Kawhi-like acquisition.

High risk. High reward. Plus, he'd be the most exciting player we've had since VC. Could you imagine the Scottie to Zion lobs?

Ingram.....he would.improve the team a bit, but....

Zion for sure.

[PhilBlackson]

Have there even been any rumours at all of us wanting/trying to trade for Zion?!??

[YogurtProducer]

Zion is a much better player than Ingram. But Zion is always injured and won't have a long career. Ingram is just an RJ clone.

I don't want either one, unless Zion can be had for extremely cheap.

Ingram isn't exactly Mr. Health himself. Last 3 years Zion has played 112 games. Ingram has played a whopping 127.

[Lord_Zedd]

Zion easily. Ingram doesn't exactly have a clean bill of health either

But I wouldn't give up much, maybe POR 2nd/Indy 1st at most.

[YogurtProducer]

Zion would be a Kawhi-like acquisition.

High risk. High reward. Plus, he'd be the most exciting player we've had since VC. Could you imagine the Scottie to Zion lobs?

Ingram.....he would.improve the team a bit, but....

Zion for sure.

Zion and Scottie is just a bad fit though IMO. Worse than Pascal/Scottie IMO.

Like what do we run? IQ/Dick/Barnes/Zion/Poeltl? Thats a LOT of bad shooters. Siakam was shooting like 34% from 3 at least. Zion doesnt even shoot em.

[Jerry Lucas]

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

I see someone else has begun to understand how draft lottery fixing truly works in the NBA.

These two posts are the dumbest thing I've read in a while, and this is a thread about trading for Brandon Ingram.

The league wants Zion in a big media centre, so instead of fixing the draft in the first place (which they apparently do), they decided to wait 6 years and fix it as a reward for trading him. Keeps the heat off. Genius.

Presumably San Antonio will get the number one pick again in 10-20 years as a reward for trading Wemby to a major market, where the league wanted him all along (but didn't fix the draft in that way, because reasons).

Actually my beliefs don't exactly align with tecumseh, more specifically my belief is that the league rigs the draft lottery for bottom 7 teams in the standings (bottom 7 finish is a 25th percentile record or worse among 30 teams), when it's their first time finishing that poorly since losing an all-star caliber player or greater, via trade request or leaving in FA despite the incumbent team wanting him back.

Did you know that last season was the first time the Spurs finished bottom 7 in the NBA since losing Kawhi Leonard?

[dTox]

neither.

[Mr. Perfect]

Zion obviously, but I think you guys are severely underestimating what it would take to get him out of New Orleans.

I don't think people understand that fringe teams like the Pelicans will keep a guy like Zion because he's the only way they can get anyone in New Orleans to pay for season tickets. They're not gonna just accept some random expirings and a few lowly projected picks. They'd rather keep him on IR and keep lying about his injury status as long as they can sell tickets. The Pelicans are an afterthought for Gayle Benson, I doubt the Benson family actually cares about a competitive team they just need to keep the books looking decent enough until they can sell the franchise and cash out which will probably be soon.

[Scase]

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

Either that or they watch him and long for the mediocrity of the past, and yearn for Siakam again.

[hype_2004]

Have there even been any rumours at all of us wanting/trying to trade for Zion?!??

The news outlets says Masai is trying to acquire Ingram when we all know Masai likes to do the opposite and keeps his cards close to his chest, he either stands pat or go for the home run. Gut feeling just by his track record he's actively pursuing Zion to pair him up with Scottie and RJ. RJ is probably in his ear and talking to Zion privately and recruiting him to go to Toronto, in fact I'm calling it now it's Zion or stand pat until the off-season.

[Syd-TK3]

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

[Scase]

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

That's what's wild to me, people who want to tank are being called impatient because of the trade deadline and still having vets on the roster getting us empty wins. Yet in the same breath those people are pushing for moves like this, we've been "tanking" for literally 2 and a half months and people are ready to throw in the towel and make a treadmill move like this.

[PhilBlackson]

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

[Jadoogar]

if i have to pick one, i'm picking Zion. He has a chance to be an All-NBA player (if he's ever healthy). We know what ingram is, i don't see the upside.

[ItsDanger]

No interest in Ingram. Zion is interesting but incredibly risky. He definitely wants out of New Orleans.

[Parataxis]

Zion obviously, but I think you guys are severely underestimating what it would take to get him out of New Orleans.

I mean, this is the problem with binary choice trade questions that don't detail both outgoing and incoming pieces.

Would I trade for Zion? The answer, the only reasonable answer, has to be 'it depends on the cost'.

[Syd-TK3]

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

If the impatient doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply to you. But the truth is there's a good amount of fans online who can't even handle a simple rebuild in a year where the draft is way better then it was last year. Literally 3 weeks ago there was tweets and threads about firing Darko. Now all the sudden people are hyped tryna sell off first round picks.
I understand Ingram is a good player but it is also clear that the fit is not ideal. Sure if you buying low and you somehow mange to sit Ingram the whole year and properly tank ofcourse that can make it worth it but there's no gurantee that outcome can happen. You could just as easily overpay for a guy ruin your pick and end up as a tax team next year

[dTox]

both players are nasty, nasty fit, next to Scottie. Can you imagine how crowded that court would be in inside the arch, esp when you include Jakob. Add on top of the fact that neither players can manage to stay healthy, HARD pass.

[tecumseh18]

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

I see someone else has begun to understand how draft lottery fixing truly works in the NBA.

These two posts are the dumbest thing I've read in a while, and this is a thread about trading for Brandon Ingram.

The league wants Zion in a big media centre, so instead of fixing the draft in the first place (which they apparently do), they decided to wait 6 years and fix it as a reward for trading him. Keeps the heat off. Genius.

Presumably San Antonio will get the number one pick again in 10-20 years as a reward for trading Wemby to a major market, where the league wanted him all along (but didn't fix the draft in that way, because reasons).

Hah, the league is quite happy for minor teams to develop first overall picks until they're ready for the spotlight.

Riddle me this - in 2021, Masai was talking about how the NBA owed the Raptors compensation for playing the season in Tampa. After we jumped from 7th to 4th in the lottery, did we hear any more talk of compensation? I must have missed it.