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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#41 » by ConSarnit » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:44 pm

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GreatWhiteStiff wrote:Rigtard threads shouldn't be allowed. If you think its so rigged you should find someone to take action on your bets every draft night. I gotta start doing this with a riggy I know personally.


It's so **** annoying. They wait for the result of the draft then backsolve for how it's rigged. Look I can literally do it right now for every lottery team getting the #1 pick.

1.) Wizards - Bottom of the league for a while, putting the next American Great White Hope in the nation's capital
2.) New Orleans - Need a new star after the collapse of Zion and trading Ingram away
3.) Utah - Town that would embrace a white American star more than anywhere else
4.) Charlotte - LaMelo is one of the league's most marketable players, give him a star running mate
5.) Toronto - Throw off the scent on the rigged lotto

... and so on and so forth.


It’s incredibly annoying on multiple fronts.

If you think the draft is rigged what’s stopping them from rigging games (there is massive overlap between people who think the draft is rigged and the refs are “against us”).

You have to be a flat out idiot to continue to support the NBA if you think the draft is rigged because that also suggests they’d rig everything else. If that’s the case why would you ever be a Raptor fan when the league is actively stacking the deck against us?
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#42 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:47 pm

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Pointgod wrote:The idea that the draft is rigged is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories out there and it just shows how people don’t have any intellectual curiosity about how things work.


Sure, so I suppose you've considered the inverse then?


Yes I considered the inverse that the draft is rigged and it’s still **** stupid.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#43 » by ConSarnit » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:02 pm

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The evidence against it also isn’t foolproof, whether it’s rigged or not, it’s not for any of us to say for certain


Thats a false equivalance (i hopre i wrote it right).

Its upon the sceptics to proofs its rigged, not the other way round.
As of now it is 100% certain, that it isnt rigged, unless you can proof that it isnt.


That’s not how it works.

People used to think the Earth was flat, but people like you didn’t allow others to speculate whether it was round. There was no foolproof evidence for either narrative at the time. You can’t say it’s 100% certain the Earth is flat and that it’s on the skeptics to prove that the Earth is round.

When there is no foolproof evidence for either side or even strong evidence, you don’t make conclusive statements for either narrative. It can be open to speculation.


You need to look up how burden of proof because you clearly have no idea how it works.

In 40 years we’ve not had a single whistle blower saying the draft is rigged. The league hires a 3rd party accounting firm to oversee the process. Members of the media witness the lotto system. No one has ever provided tangible evidence the lottery is rigged despite having multiple witnesses who aren’t employees of the league.

The Luka trade inspired massive speculation that the league was helping the Lakers. If the league is actively trying to help big markets (where they make the most money) why have all of the “can’t miss stars” of the last 25 drafts gone to bottom 10 media markets (CLE, NOP x2, SAS, POR)?
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#44 » by ConSarnit » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:08 pm

Pointgod wrote:
mad-man wrote:
Pointgod wrote:The idea that the draft is rigged is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories out there and it just shows how people don’t have any intellectual curiosity about how things work.


Sure, so I suppose you've considered the inverse then?


Yes I considered the inverse that the draft is rigged and it’s still **** stupid.


The same people who will tell you the Luka trade was a conspiracy to help the Lakers will somehow also believe that the draft is rigged yet every “can’t miss” prospect of the past 25 years has been drafted to a bottom 10 media market (CLE, NOP, SAS, POR). It doesn’t make any sense.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#45 » by TheGeneral99 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:08 pm

If the draft is rigged the Cavaliers wouldn't have got 3 number one picks in a row and the Pelicans wouldn't have got the #1 pick twice in the last decade.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#46 » by mad-man » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:11 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
mad-man wrote:
Sure, so I suppose you've considered the inverse then?


Yes I considered the inverse that the draft is rigged and it’s still **** stupid.


The same people who will tell you the Luka trade was a conspiracy to help the Lakers will somehow also believe that the draft is rigged yet every “can’t miss” prospect of the past 25 years has been drafted to a bottom 10 media market (CLE, NOP, SAS, POR). It doesn’t make any sense.


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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#47 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:36 pm

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bonjovi0308 wrote:I think the draft is definitely rigged. Seeing how cavs got the 1st overall pick to get LBJ, wemby to spurs, and how the Lakers got Luka for scraps, it's obvious there is an invisible hands behind.

So if you are the league, how are you going to rig this draft? How about Flagg to the 76ers? Harper to Pelicans? Bailey to Utah or washington? Just speculation, but I think the 76ers may get a good pick higher than what they deserved.



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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#48 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:39 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:If the draft is rigged the Cavaliers wouldn't have got 3 number one picks in a row and the Pelicans wouldn't have got the #1 pick twice in the last decade.


The Cavs were given the picks as compensation for LeBron leaving. Same for the Pelicans and AD.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#49 » by ciueli » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:43 pm

Yeah, Wemby going to the Spurs is somehow considered an example of the NBA fixing the draft because Tony Parker played there once and he's French. Then you realize San Antonio is virtually one of the worst places for the NBA to put their next generational superstar because it's one of the smallest markets in the entire league, they had no complimentary players at the time to get into the playoffs right away, and they aren't even the second most popular team in their own state.

Webmy going to the Spurs is actual incontrovertible proof that the draft ISN'T fixed, if it was fixed they would have sent him to Houston, one of the biggest markets in the league, not some small backwater market like the Spurs.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#50 » by C Court » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:43 pm

The NBA has just the guy to do the research on whether its actually rigged or just a conspiracy theory.

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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#51 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:43 pm

agkagk wrote:
bonjovi0308 wrote:I think the draft is definitely rigged. Seeing how cavs got the 1st overall pick to get LBJ, wemby to spurs, and how the Lakers got Luka for scraps, it's obvious there is an invisible hands behind.

So if you are the league, how are you going to rig this draft? How about Flagg to the 76ers? Harper to Pelicans? Bailey to Utah or washington? Just speculation, but I think the 76ers may get a good pick higher than what they deserved.



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You mean Utah. DC is a mostly Black city. Utahns would be swapping out their temple garments for Flagg jerseys.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#52 » by RoteSchroder » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:44 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
Shakril wrote:
Thats a false equivalance (i hopre i wrote it right).

Its upon the sceptics to proofs its rigged, not the other way round.
As of now it is 100% certain, that it isnt rigged, unless you can proof that it isnt.


That’s not how it works.

People used to think the Earth was flat, but people like you didn’t allow others to speculate whether it was round. There was no foolproof evidence for either narrative at the time. You can’t say it’s 100% certain the Earth is flat and that it’s on the skeptics to prove that the Earth is round.

When there is no foolproof evidence for either side or even strong evidence, you don’t make conclusive statements for either narrative. It can be open to speculation.


You need to look up how burden of proof because you clearly have no idea how it works.

In 40 years we’ve not had a single whistle blower saying the draft is rigged. The league hires a 3rd party accounting firm to oversee the process. Members of the media witness the lotto system. No one has ever provided tangible evidence the lottery is rigged despite having multiple witnesses who aren’t employees of the league.

The Luka trade inspired massive speculation that the league was helping the Lakers. If the league is actively trying to help big markets (where they make the most money) why have all of the “can’t miss stars” of the last 25 drafts gone to bottom 10 media markets (CLE, NOP x2, SAS, POR)?


You don’t need burden of proof for speculation. We’re not claiming the draft is rigged for sure or punishing the NBA for it or making a verdict in court. If a policeman makes a suspect list, you don’t need evidence for every person on that list for them to be on it. They’re not being put on trial, it’s speculation.

Prior to the Donaghy situation, no one had any tangible proof that he was cheating, nor did any fans have the ability to investigate nor was there a single whistleblower. That doesn’t mean he didn’t cheat.

If I say “it’s possible Donaghy is a crooked ref”, it doesn’t mean he is or isn’t, it just means it’s possible. I don’t need to provide evidence for a possibility to exist.

Just like if I say Scott Foster should be investigated. There is zero tangible evidence aside from speculation that he’s a crooked ref. Doesn’t mean I can’t say that it’s possible he’s crooked.

Your arguments on why it’s not rigged aren’t really foolproof arguments either. A 3rd party where hundreds of employees got caught cheating on their ethics exams doesn’t seem very reliable, it’s their job to catch cheaters not be cheaters. People watching the lottery also would not make a difference to how the ping pong machine would work.

Lakers situation has nothing to do with the draft, irrelevant.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#53 » by NBA Sheady » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:45 pm

Most people who think the draft is rigged don't understand what the A in NBA stands for. A is for association and it refers to the association of owners. Each NBA team owns 1/30th of the NBA. So for something shady to go down all the owners have to want it.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#54 » by Syd-TK3 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:46 pm

Flagg will end up in Utah 100%
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#55 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:51 pm

mad-man wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Yes I considered the inverse that the draft is rigged and it’s still **** stupid.


The same people who will tell you the Luka trade was a conspiracy to help the Lakers will somehow also believe that the draft is rigged yet every “can’t miss” prospect of the past 25 years has been drafted to a bottom 10 media market (CLE, NOP, SAS, POR). It doesn’t make any sense.


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Actually floating a conspiracy theory that the draft is rigged would be something to occupy the nitwits.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#56 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:56 pm

RoteSchroder wrote:
Shakril wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
The evidence against it also isn’t foolproof, whether it’s rigged or not, it’s not for any of us to say for certain


Thats a false equivalance (i hopre i wrote it right).

Its upon the sceptics to proofs its rigged, not the other way round.
As of now it is 100% certain, that it isnt rigged, unless you can proof that it isnt.


That’s not how it works.

People used to think the Earth was flat, but people like you didn’t allow others to speculate whether it was round. There was no foolproof evidence for either narrative at the time. You can’t say it’s 100% certain the Earth is flat and that it’s on the skeptics to prove that the Earth is round.

When there is no foolproof evidence for either side or even strong evidence, you don’t make conclusive statements for either narrative. It can be open to speculation.

Are you suggesting there is no proof that the draft isn't rigged?

What about the fact that a representative from Ernst & Young (an audit firm) oversees the entire process. Is that not in turn some assurance that there is no rigging?
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#57 » by M3tro » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:59 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Yeah the draft is rigged that's why James was drafted by **** Cleveland and Wemby went to the small market Spurs, and Zion went to purgatory in New Orleans. :roll:


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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#58 » by ontnut » Tue Feb 25, 2025 5:04 pm

If the draft is rigged, they'll make Flagg go back to college for a year, so the Lakers can stealth tank next year, and then win the lottery next year. Luka + Flagg.
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#59 » by kalel123 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 5:05 pm

Is today "create idiotic threads" day?

What's Doncic going to Lakers got anything to do with the draft? And how are LeBron going to Cavs and Wemby going to Spurs proof of anything? If it was rigged, wouldn't NBA want them to go to bigger market from get-go? How TF does top prospects going to New Orleans or Utah help the league? Does OP have noodles for brains?
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Re: If the draft is rigged... 

Post#60 » by RoteSchroder » Tue Feb 25, 2025 5:07 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
Shakril wrote:
Thats a false equivalance (i hopre i wrote it right).

Its upon the sceptics to proofs its rigged, not the other way round.
As of now it is 100% certain, that it isnt rigged, unless you can proof that it isnt.


That’s not how it works.

People used to think the Earth was flat, but people like you didn’t allow others to speculate whether it was round. There was no foolproof evidence for either narrative at the time. You can’t say it’s 100% certain the Earth is flat and that it’s on the skeptics to prove that the Earth is round.

When there is no foolproof evidence for either side or even strong evidence, you don’t make conclusive statements for either narrative. It can be open to speculation.

Are you suggesting there is no proof that the draft isn't rigged?

What about the fact that a representative from Ernst & Young (an audit firm) oversees the entire process. Is that not in turn some assurance that there is no rigging?


Third parties can be bought or corrupt. The FDA, for example, also got caught up in a several scandals, some known to the public, many unknown.

Ernst & Young themselves got caught in a scandal where they had to pay up $100 M for cheating on ethics exams. Double whammy considering they’re the ones who are supposed to catch cheaters and that it was an ethics exam.

When informed of potential cheating, they investigated themselves and claimed that there were no cheating issues.

That’s NOT to say the draft is rigged, only that there’s no 100% certainty of anything without full transparency. I would accept it with 100% certainty if they made certain tweaks to the ping pong machine process, for instance.

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