ontnut wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:Looks like we've found a new spot for Basketball Without Borders.
Masai won't be at the lottery, he's busy scouting on K2-18b.
Can you blame him?

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ontnut wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:Looks like we've found a new spot for Basketball Without Borders.
Masai won't be at the lottery, he's busy scouting on K2-18b.
Airmiess wrote:Theres aliens right here on earth, some of them you might know personally... lets get that out of the way first so society can move forward.
DelAbbot wrote:On Fermi's Paradox I think it's no paradox at all.
Simple organic life is common in the universe. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it has to be.
Intelligent life like dinosaurs exists in the universe, less common than simple organic life. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it also has to be.
Intelligent life that can communicate outside its solar system, like us, is rare but still exists in the universe, less common than intelligent life like the dinosaurs.
The reason we are not in contact with another intelligent life like ourselves, is we are separated too far to communicate by time and space.
Separated by time: Our existence, being intelligent enough to communicate outside of the solar system, has been only 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of the Earth, and out of a estimate of 13.8 billion years of the universe. It's such a small window in the history of universe, for two such windows to overlap, it's a very small chance. (I'm somewhat assuming Great Filter, i.e. nuclear war wipeout)
Separated by space: Suppose two such windows do overlap, what are the chances they are within reasonable distance from each other? Even within our own Milky way galaxy, 100K LY is impossible to communicate with with foreseeable technology. So even if there is another intelligent life on the other side of the Milk way, we wouldn't be able to talk to them.
Given time and space is one continuum (i.e. human travelling at light speed to overcome separation of space is still separated by time when you return), we are just too separated in this vast universe from another intelligent life like us to communicate.
One thing leaves me in awe is how millions of different types of intelligent life existed on Earth before one came along that could communicate with outside its solar system. If the non-avian dinosaurs-killing asteroid didn't hit Earth, dinosaurs would still rule the Earth and not evolve at all (similar to how crocodiles never evolved) and thus never develop ability to communicate to outside solar system (like we can) - and any subclass intelligent life on earth could not develop as they get eaten by the dinosaurs. I think the evolutionary pressure that pushed our brains to develop would be too extreme if dinosaurs remained in existence - i.e. dinosaurs would have hunted us into extinction well before we have a chance to develop our brains to fight back (also pressured by ice age etc etc)
The chances of another Earth like planet to develop intelligent life like us would take a lot of time (4.5 billion years) and and a lot of luck (just the right climate, and right evolutionary pressure)
DelAbbot wrote:On Fermi's Paradox I think it's no paradox at all.
Simple organic life is common in the universe. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it has to be.
Intelligent life like dinosaurs exists in the universe, less common than simple organic life. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it also has to be.
Intelligent life that can communicate outside its solar system, like us, is rare but still exists in the universe, less common than intelligent life like the dinosaurs.
The reason we are not in contact with another intelligent life like ourselves, is we are separated too far to communicate by time and space.
Separated by time: Our existence, being intelligent enough to communicate outside of the solar system, has been only 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of the Earth, and out of a estimate of 13.8 billion years of the universe. It's such a small window in the history of universe, for two such windows to overlap, it's a very small chance. (I'm somewhat assuming Great Filter, i.e. nuclear war wipeout)
Separated by space: Suppose two such windows do overlap, what are the chances they are within reasonable distance from each other? Even within our own Milky way galaxy, 100K LY is impossible to communicate with with foreseeable technology. So even if there is another intelligent life on the other side of the Milk way, we wouldn't be able to talk to them.
Given time and space is one continuum (i.e. human travelling at light speed to overcome separation of space is still separated by time when you return), we are just too separated in this vast universe from another intelligent life like us to communicate.
One thing leaves me in awe is how millions of different types of intelligent life existed on Earth before one came along that could communicate with outside its solar system. If the non-avian dinosaurs-killing asteroid didn't hit Earth, dinosaurs would still rule the Earth and not evolve at all (similar to how crocodiles never evolved) and thus never develop ability to communicate to outside solar system (like we can) - and any subclass intelligent life on earth could not develop as they get eaten by the dinosaurs. I think the evolutionary pressure that pushed our brains to develop would be too extreme if dinosaurs remained in existence - i.e. dinosaurs would have hunted us into extinction well before we have a chance to develop our brains to fight back (also pressured by ice age etc etc)
The chances of another Earth like planet to develop intelligent life like us would take a lot of time (4.5 billion years) and and a lot of luck (just the right climate, and right evolutionary pressure)
Steelo Green wrote:Even though you know somehow we all gotta go, as long as we believin' thievin' we'll be leavin' with some kind of dough.
DelAbbot wrote:On Fermi's Paradox I think it's no paradox at all.
Simple organic life is common in the universe. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it has to be.
Intelligent life like dinosaurs exists in the universe, less common than simple organic life. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it also has to be.
Intelligent life that can communicate outside its solar system, like us, is rare but still exists in the universe, less common than intelligent life like the dinosaurs.
The reason we are not in contact with another intelligent life like ourselves, is we are separated too far to communicate by time and space.
Separated by time: Our existence, being intelligent enough to communicate outside of the solar system, has been only 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of the Earth, and out of a estimate of 13.8 billion years of the universe. It's such a small window in the history of universe, for two such windows to overlap, it's a very small chance. (I'm somewhat assuming Great Filter, i.e. nuclear war wipeout)
Separated by space: Suppose two such windows do overlap, what are the chances they are within reasonable distance from each other? Even within our own Milky way galaxy, 100K LY is impossible to communicate with with foreseeable technology. So even if there is another intelligent life on the other side of the Milk way, we wouldn't be able to talk to them.
Given time and space is one continuum (i.e. human travelling at light speed to overcome separation of space is still separated by time when you return), we are just too separated in this vast universe from another intelligent life like us to communicate.
One thing leaves me in awe is how millions of different types of intelligent life existed on Earth before one came along that could communicate with outside its solar system. If the non-avian dinosaurs-killing asteroid didn't hit Earth, dinosaurs would still rule the Earth and not evolve at all (similar to how crocodiles never evolved) and thus never develop ability to communicate to outside solar system (like we can) - and any subclass intelligent life on earth could not develop as they get eaten by the dinosaurs. I think the evolutionary pressure that pushed our brains to develop would be too extreme if dinosaurs remained in existence - i.e. dinosaurs would have hunted us into extinction well before we have a chance to develop our brains to fight back (also pressured by ice age etc etc)
The chances of another Earth like planet to develop intelligent life like us would take a lot of time (4.5 billion years) and and a lot of luck (just the right climate, and right evolutionary pressure)
yellowknifer wrote:DelAbbot wrote:On Fermi's Paradox I think it's no paradox at all.
Simple organic life is common in the universe. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it has to be.
Intelligent life like dinosaurs exists in the universe, less common than simple organic life. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it also has to be.
Intelligent life that can communicate outside its solar system, like us, is rare but still exists in the universe, less common than intelligent life like the dinosaurs.
The reason we are not in contact with another intelligent life like ourselves, is we are separated too far to communicate by time and space.
Separated by time: Our existence, being intelligent enough to communicate outside of the solar system, has been only 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of the Earth, and out of a estimate of 13.8 billion years of the universe. It's such a small window in the history of universe, for two such windows to overlap, it's a very small chance. (I'm somewhat assuming Great Filter, i.e. nuclear war wipeout)
Separated by space: Suppose two such windows do overlap, what are the chances they are within reasonable distance from each other? Even within our own Milky way galaxy, 100K LY is impossible to communicate with with foreseeable technology. So even if there is another intelligent life on the other side of the Milk way, we wouldn't be able to talk to them.
Given time and space is one continuum (i.e. human travelling at light speed to overcome separation of space is still separated by time when you return), we are just too separated in this vast universe from another intelligent life like us to communicate.
One thing leaves me in awe is how millions of different types of intelligent life existed on Earth before one came along that could communicate with outside its solar system. If the non-avian dinosaurs-killing asteroid didn't hit Earth, dinosaurs would still rule the Earth and not evolve at all (similar to how crocodiles never evolved) and thus never develop ability to communicate to outside solar system (like we can) - and any subclass intelligent life on earth could not develop as they get eaten by the dinosaurs. I think the evolutionary pressure that pushed our brains to develop would be too extreme if dinosaurs remained in existence - i.e. dinosaurs would have hunted us into extinction well before we have a chance to develop our brains to fight back (also pressured by ice age etc etc)
The chances of another Earth like planet to develop intelligent life like us would take a lot of time (4.5 billion years) and and a lot of luck (just the right climate, and right evolutionary pressure)
Some have theorized that the universe is actually still young and we may be some of the first higher intelligences… although I sometimes wonder if we really classify because for all the cool **** we do the amount of wisdom we seem to have appears to be in perpetual decline.
Kevin Willis wrote:yellowknifer wrote:Some have theorized that the universe is actually still young and we may be some of the first higher intelligences… although I sometimes wonder if we really classify because for all the cool **** we do the amount of wisdom we seem to have appears to be in perpetual decline.
How is this for a kick in the nuts. What if we are the original seeders? What if the probes we send out and the comets / planets we visit eventually seed the rest of the galaxy? No wonder characters in Star Wars are humanoid.
In a recent paper, Penrose and a colleague propose a possible solution, and it involves alien messages from an earlier Universe.
Such a message, Penrose argues, could be encoded in the cosmic microwave background (CMB). While the CMB is fairly uniform, it does have small fluctuations in temperature. The scale at which these fluctuations occur tells us about the overall structure of our Universe. But there are also regions where the fluctuations are more extreme than we'd expect. These anomalies aren't highly unusual, but they are interesting enough that some have speculated they might be caused by another Universe. But in Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, such fluctuations aren't likely to appear because the new and old Universes connect when they are smooth. But if the CCC idea is correct, some super-advanced civilization in the old Universe could intentionally imprint the new Universe with a signal or message. In principle we should be able to detect such a message.
DelAbbot wrote:Kevin Willis wrote:yellowknifer wrote:Some have theorized that the universe is actually still young and we may be some of the first higher intelligences… although I sometimes wonder if we really classify because for all the cool **** we do the amount of wisdom we seem to have appears to be in perpetual decline.
How is this for a kick in the nuts. What if we are the original seeders? What if the probes we send out and the comets / planets we visit eventually seed the rest of the galaxy? No wonder characters in Star Wars are humanoid.
Depending on what you believe, there could be "cave paintings" left by previous alien civilizations in the Cosmic Microwave BackgroundIn a recent paper, Penrose and a colleague propose a possible solution, and it involves alien messages from an earlier Universe.
Such a message, Penrose argues, could be encoded in the cosmic microwave background (CMB). While the CMB is fairly uniform, it does have small fluctuations in temperature. The scale at which these fluctuations occur tells us about the overall structure of our Universe. But there are also regions where the fluctuations are more extreme than we'd expect. These anomalies aren't highly unusual, but they are interesting enough that some have speculated they might be caused by another Universe. But in Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, such fluctuations aren't likely to appear because the new and old Universes connect when they are smooth. But if the CCC idea is correct, some super-advanced civilization in the old Universe could intentionally imprint the new Universe with a signal or message. In principle we should be able to detect such a message.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankoberlein/2015/12/12/alien-messages-from-another-universe-the-strange-physics-of-cyclic-cosmology/
NinjaBro wrote:Cave drawings were made by primitive humans trying to express themselves and their surroundings creatively, not alien messages from another universe. Stop it!
DelAbbot wrote:Kevin Willis wrote:yellowknifer wrote:Some have theorized that the universe is actually still young and we may be some of the first higher intelligences… although I sometimes wonder if we really classify because for all the cool **** we do the amount of wisdom we seem to have appears to be in perpetual decline.
How is this for a kick in the nuts. What if we are the original seeders? What if the probes we send out and the comets / planets we visit eventually seed the rest of the galaxy? No wonder characters in Star Wars are humanoid.
Depending on what you believe, there could be "cave paintings" left by previous alien civilizations in the Cosmic Microwave BackgroundIn a recent paper, Penrose and a colleague propose a possible solution, and it involves alien messages from an earlier Universe.
Such a message, Penrose argues, could be encoded in the cosmic microwave background (CMB). While the CMB is fairly uniform, it does have small fluctuations in temperature. The scale at which these fluctuations occur tells us about the overall structure of our Universe. But there are also regions where the fluctuations are more extreme than we'd expect. These anomalies aren't highly unusual, but they are interesting enough that some have speculated they might be caused by another Universe. But in Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, such fluctuations aren't likely to appear because the new and old Universes connect when they are smooth. But if the CCC idea is correct, some super-advanced civilization in the old Universe could intentionally imprint the new Universe with a signal or message. In principle we should be able to detect such a message.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankoberlein/2015/12/12/alien-messages-from-another-universe-the-strange-physics-of-cyclic-cosmology/
Obviously the whole idea is very speculative. But at least it could provide some fodder for science fiction.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
WaltFrazier wrote:DelAbbot wrote:Kevin Willis wrote:
How is this for a kick in the nuts. What if we are the original seeders? What if the probes we send out and the comets / planets we visit eventually seed the rest of the galaxy? No wonder characters in Star Wars are humanoid.
Depending on what you believe, there could be "cave paintings" left by previous alien civilizations in the Cosmic Microwave BackgroundIn a recent paper, Penrose and a colleague propose a possible solution, and it involves alien messages from an earlier Universe.
Such a message, Penrose argues, could be encoded in the cosmic microwave background (CMB). While the CMB is fairly uniform, it does have small fluctuations in temperature. The scale at which these fluctuations occur tells us about the overall structure of our Universe. But there are also regions where the fluctuations are more extreme than we'd expect. These anomalies aren't highly unusual, but they are interesting enough that some have speculated they might be caused by another Universe. But in Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, such fluctuations aren't likely to appear because the new and old Universes connect when they are smooth. But if the CCC idea is correct, some super-advanced civilization in the old Universe could intentionally imprint the new Universe with a signal or message. In principle we should be able to detect such a message.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankoberlein/2015/12/12/alien-messages-from-another-universe-the-strange-physics-of-cyclic-cosmology/
Article conclusion:Obviously the whole idea is very speculative. But at least it could provide some fodder for science fiction.
Basketball_Jones wrote:Never understood the whole Ancient Aliens thing until I came across this thread. Freakin awesome! Like my mind was always trained to think the universe began with earth when really nobody quite knows when. Could be a civilization out there been around for thousands of years before us with crazy technology already. But it’s clear that space travel takes extreme technological advances to do anything outside of your own solar system. I’ll even say probably super advanced genetics as well to even live long enough to make the trek. The human species/dna imo is too physically fragile to handle this. Average lifespan is nothing.
yellowknifer wrote:Basketball_Jones wrote:Never understood the whole Ancient Aliens thing until I came across this thread. Freakin awesome! Like my mind was always trained to think the universe began with earth when really nobody quite knows when. Could be a civilization out there been around for thousands of years before us with crazy technology already. But it’s clear that space travel takes extreme technological advances to do anything outside of your own solar system. I’ll even say probably super advanced genetics as well to even live long enough to make the trek. The human species/dna imo is too physically fragile to handle this. Average lifespan is nothing.
Here’s another theory. There is a 12,000 year cycle in which our sun loses its **** and then devastates the planet with a micro nova. Poles shift etc. there is some science to back this up and it seems there are similarities in old stories to also support it. Plus old religious symbols resemble plasma discharge at different viewing angles. Humans advance in tech to the point we create artificial intelligence near the end of the cycle. AI open new technologies for us, some which we don’t even fully understanding but they work. Aliens that people claim they have seen or exist are actually wealthy human ancestors you took advantage of the technology to get away from earth and avoid the chaos and chance that comes with staying. The cycle of repeats itself regularly.
NinjaBro wrote:Cave drawings were made by primitive humans trying to express themselves and their surroundings creatively, not alien messages from another universe. Stop it!
Steelo Green wrote:Even though you know somehow we all gotta go, as long as we believin' thievin' we'll be leavin' with some kind of dough.