WT: Giannis Antetokounmpo's Future With Bucks 'The Elephant In The Room' In NBA

[metafisical]

I would offer Barrett, Dick and possibly a 2nd for Giannis and 3 unprotected 1sts. We get those 3 firsts because we are taking on a declining Giannis. The Buck get some of our best. I'm even debating whether or not we should offer a 2nd. Seems too expensive..

[brownbobcat]

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

What beats RJ + Dick + picks in this hypothetical bidding war ?
Or what team would top that with what players?

Chet + More draft picks than we have to offer....OKC could potentially get the 7th/15th/24th picks in this upcoming draft alone....They control other teams picks + their own....They also can give up Cason Wallace who has lots of potential and is 10x the defensive player Dick is...Lets not overrate our players...RJ/Dick package is not getting Giannis

Hartenstein would almost certainly have to be included in any big trade to make the salaries work.

Remember that there are no trade restrictions on other teams' picks, which means the sheer volume owned by OKC (especially in the lottery) means they can blow every other offer out of the water without even including Chet.

[causal_fan]

I would offer Barrett, Dick and possibly a 2nd for Giannis and 3 unprotected 1sts. We get those 3 firsts because we are taking on a declining Giannis. The Buck get some of our best. I'm even debating whether or not we should offer a 2nd. Seems too expensive..

Not enough - Raptors need 5 first and 4 pickswaps

[ArthurVandelay]

If he’s traded, Brooklyn is where he’ll end up imo

[JB7]

Everyone is missing the good news for the Raps out of a potential Giannis move. No he is probably not coming to TO, but he is most likely going to the West, which means another top 5 East team tanking next season.

[causal_fan]

I don't see how OKC is outbid if Giannis actually hits the trade market.

OKC is a great team and I don't know how Giannis and SGA would work in terms of floor spacing - OKC needs a quality 3 point shooter and they will need the cap space with all the extensions coming up - If I'm OKC, keep trading FRP for future FRP to sustain what could be a long window of contention and pass on Giannis.

[Tripod]

Everyone is missing the good news for the Raps out of a potential Giannis move. No he is probably not coming to TO, but he is most likely going to the West, which means another top 5 East team tanking next season.

That was my thoughts.

And that's why OKC "COULD" go after him....to keep Houston from getting him. Bucks could play both teams against each other.

[mdenny]

I could see OKC giving up both jdubs AND chet.

Sga and giannis are both supermax players. Which means there's no room for a third max extension guy without going deep into second apron. And both jdubs and chet will get max extensions.

SGA + Giannis + role players and rookie contracts is a perennial chip contender.

Any small market with depth that is a top seed can't last more than 2 or 3 season windows because eventually everyone gets paid.

The future for OKC is not depth. Their best future is consolidating into two top 10 players.

Probably looking at jdub, chet, hartenstien, salary filler, picks. Houston can't match that package.

But in giving so much back in players....they will retain a healthy amount of picks they can use for trades to attain high end role players plus additional rookie contracts in filling out the roster.

[tsherkin]

If he’s traded, Brooklyn is where he’ll end up imo

Why do you say Brooklyn?

[Duffman100]

If he’s traded, Brooklyn is where he’ll end up imo

Really? Feels like Brooklyn would struggle to match salaries and still have a roster that could possibly win 30 games with Giannis.

[NinjaBro]

I would offer Barrett, Dick and possibly a 2nd for Giannis and 3 unprotected 1sts. We get those 3 firsts because we are taking on a declining Giannis. The Buck get some of our best. I'm even debating whether or not we should offer a 2nd. Seems too expensive..

Not enough - Raptors need 5 first and 4 pickswaps

Lol, RJ, Dick and a 2nd is already a godfather offer for Giannis. You want to add more?

[dTox]

What would Houston or OKC trade that would be the equivalent of Barnes ? You think OKC gives up Jdub or Chet for Giannis? You think Houston gives up sengun for him ? I certainly don't

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

What beats RJ + Dick + picks in this hypothetical bidding war ?
Or what team would top that with what players?

Why would they want RJ? I don't think you realize that he's at best, a neutral asset with his contract. In a world where we are competing in a trade scenario without involving Scottie, this is what OKC could offer:

Philly pick this year (top 5 protected)
Hawks pick this year, no protection
Utah pick next year, top 8 protected
Dallas or Philly pick in 2026, no protection
2027 Pacers or Heat pick, no protection
2028 Milwaukee pick (No protection)
2028 Utah pick (no protection)

The above is just half of the assets the Thunder posses, I can go on but the list is very long and I am at work lol. Think about it, if the Bucks trade Giannis, they are likely tanking, and the Thunder can trade back the Bucks' unprotected 2028 draft pick that the Thunder own. There is no way in hell you would compete with the above trade package involving RJ, Dick, etc. It's not even a conversation starter.

[dTox]

For anyone who thinks we can compete with the Thunder in a bidding war without including Scottie:

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

[kalel123]

If he's available, OKC would be crazy not to go after him and in that case, nobody stands a chance. What good is collecting all those picks over the years, if you aren't going to strike when there's such clear opportunity? I feel like they'll be so good, he won't mind going there at all.

We'd be so far below the list of suitors both from Bucks standpoint and Giannis's.

[Clutch0z24]

For anyone who thinks we can compete with the Thunder in a bidding war without including Scottie:

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder/21/draft-picks

Presti did a masterclass of a job putting together a championship team while having picks to add another superstar or just keep the picks and keep adding depth, potential all stars via the draft on cheap contracts.....Best set up franchise i have seen in a while.

[brownbobcat]

I could see OKC giving up both jdubs AND chet.

Sga and giannis are both supermax players. Which means there's no room for a third max extension guy without going deep into second apron. And both jdubs and chet will get max extensions.

SGA + Giannis + role players and rookie contracts is a perennial chip contender.

Any small market with depth that is a top seed can't last more than 2 or 3 season windows because eventually everyone gets paid.

The future for OKC is not depth. Their best future is consolidating into two top 10 players.

Probably looking at jdub, chet, hartenstien, salary filler, picks. Houston can't match that package.

But in giving so much back in players....they will retain a healthy amount of picks they can use for trades to attain high end role players plus additional rookie contracts in filling out the roster.

Why would OKC need to overpay so much? No one can even come close to their offer and Chet/Jalen aren't getting paid until 2026-27, there's plenty of time to trade them before then.

[Clutch0z24]

If he's available, OKC would be crazy not to go after him and in that case, nobody stands a chance. What good is collecting all those picks over the years, if you aren't going to strike when there's such clear opportunity? I feel like they'll be so good, he won't mind going there at all.

We'd be so far below the list of suitors both from Bucks standpoint and Giannis's.

It really all depends how you look at it....Giannis would be the move but what if they end up winning it all this year? Would that be worth breaking up a championship core for?...If they flame out in round 2 again they def should make the move now....But it really is dependent on how far they make it this year...

These picks are valuable in the sense that they can keep the big 3 they have while also drafting good role players on cheap contracts so they are never in trouble cap wise and can continue to be at the top of the mountain....If they end up drafting another all star with some of these picks they have....They can just trade them for a sum of parts and just keep the cycle going...

They are in a win/win situation regardless of how they play it. A championship level team with assets to remain a championship team...Only injuries could slow them down...

[ontnut]

What beats RJ + Dick + picks in this hypothetical bidding war ?
Or what team would top that with what players?

Chet + More draft picks than we have to offer....OKC could potentially get the 7th/15th/24th picks in this upcoming draft alone....They control other teams picks + their own....They also can give up Cason Wallace who has lots of potential and is 10x the defensive player Dick is...Lets not overrate our players...RJ/Dick package is not getting Giannis

Hartenstein would almost certainly have to be included in any big trade to make the salaries work.

Remember that there are no trade restrictions on other teams' picks, which means the sheer volume owned by OKC (especially in the lottery) means they can blow every other offer out of the water without even including Chet.

They'd have to include Chet simply for 2nd apron/luxury tax $$$ purposes. Assuming JWill gets a rookie max, they're gonna have SGA AND Giannis on supermaxes, plus the JDub rookie max, and if they keep Chet, he'll also be getting a likely rookie max extension. They'd have to move Dort somewhere for nothing, in addition to trading out at least one of Jdub and Chet, because otherwise that would be the most expensive team of all time, and OKC isn't about that.

I'd actually trade Jdub, keep Chet, and move on from Hartenstein or sign him way cheaper down the line. As great as Jdub is, Giannis would take over his role, and the gap can be filled by Caruso and another shooter. Shai/Caruso/(shooter)/Giannis/Chet. Maybe Topic is ready by then, or you sign a Vet min guy to play SF/PF, and go small wither whoever's leftover from Wallace, Wiggins, Dort, Kenrich, or the other J Will for the 2/3 rotation. A no frills 3 and D guy like Cam Johnson would fit great in that role, and wouldn't be expensive.

Some people might say they can wait to trade Jdub/Chet later on in a different package when their max extension kicks in, but here's the thing: every team will know they have OKC over a barrel, so the return will be bad. Or they risk those guys walking for nothing in FA. So rather than gutting the roster, trading one of those guys for Giannis would actually make the most long term sense, maintaining flexibility and more picks to adjust the roster as it ages/salary cap prices them out.

[Clutch0z24]

I could see OKC giving up both jdubs AND chet.

Sga and giannis are both supermax players. Which means there's no room for a third max extension guy without going deep into second apron. And both jdubs and chet will get max extensions.

SGA + Giannis + role players and rookie contracts is a perennial chip contender.

Any small market with depth that is a top seed can't last more than 2 or 3 season windows because eventually everyone gets paid.

The future for OKC is not depth. Their best future is consolidating into two top 10 players.

Probably looking at jdub, chet, hartenstien, salary filler, picks. Houston can't match that package.

But in giving so much back in players....they will retain a healthy amount of picks they can use for trades to attain high end role players plus additional rookie contracts in filling out the roster.

Why would OKC need to overpay so much? No one can even come close to their offer and Chet/Jalen aren't getting paid until 2026-27, there's plenty of time to trade them before then.

That poster doesn't know what hes saying....They are not giving up both of their star players for Giannis when they do not need too...It would be Giannis replacing Chet thats it....They will be in no position to have to overpay since they have the most assets draft pick wise to give up....It will be Chet + Salary fillers + picks....

Tbh i doubt OKC even want Giannis if they make it far this year in the playoffs....They prolly just keep the guys they have and keep building on it with the Draft picks they have ....No need to rush a trade if you don't have too...

[mdenny]

I could see OKC giving up both jdubs AND chet.

Sga and giannis are both supermax players. Which means there's no room for a third max extension guy without going deep into second apron. And both jdubs and chet will get max extensions.

SGA + Giannis + role players and rookie contracts is a perennial chip contender.

Any small market with depth that is a top seed can't last more than 2 or 3 season windows because eventually everyone gets paid.

The future for OKC is not depth. Their best future is consolidating into two top 10 players.

Probably looking at jdub, chet, hartenstien, salary filler, picks. Houston can't match that package.

But in giving so much back in players....they will retain a healthy amount of picks they can use for trades to attain high end role players plus additional rookie contracts in filling out the roster.

Why would OKC need to overpay so much? No one can even come close to their offer and Chet/Jalen aren't getting paid until 2026-27, there's plenty of time to trade them before then.

The trade would happen this summer. The Thunder have to extend chet and jdubs this summer. They're only next season away from having to pay 85 to 90 million on their cap just to keep jdubs and chet. The summer after that they have to resign Shae to the supermax.

Ppl are mistaken when they assume okc can just keep all their guys and continue to add depth. They can't.

That's gonna be approx 150 million for 3 players.

They are way better off having Giannis/Sga for 120 million than they are having jdub/chet/sga for 150 million.

Another way of looking at it: jdub/chet for 90 million or giannis for 60 million. That shouldn't even be a question.

The 2 superstar route is the way to go under the new rules. The big 3 route leaves you with nothing else to fill out the roster.

Another way of looking at it: you're better off having two supermax top 10 players than you are having a big 3 wherein one guy is top 10 and the other two guys are top 40/50.

A top 10 supermax guy is way more efficient than a max guy who is the 35th best player. And the top 10 supermax guy is way more efficient use of cap money than two max guys who are 35th and 40th best players in the league.