ImageImageImageImageImage

[Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks

Moderators: DG88, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, HiJiNX, 7 Footer, Morris_Shatford

User avatar
ForeverTFC
RealGM
Posts: 18,003
And1: 19,623
Joined: Dec 07, 2004
         

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#41 » by ForeverTFC » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:55 pm

djsunyc wrote:
traps#10 wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:How does NIL have any impact? lol


Quality of second rounders since would rather stay in college and earn more + improving their draft stock to become 1st rounders in the future

i think it makes 2nd rounders less of a gamble as there will be more upperclassmen. teams will have a bigger body of work and will be able to get guys that can help much sooner.


Eventually yes. But it’ll take 2-3 years to get there.
douggood
General Manager
Posts: 9,757
And1: 6,537
Joined: Jun 13, 2001

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#42 » by douggood » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:56 pm

traps#10 wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
traps#10 wrote:5 second round picks are useless with NIL deals

How does NIL have any impact? lol


Quality of second rounders since would rather stay in college and earn more + improving their draft stock to become 1st rounders in the future

its actually improving 2nd round picks, there is 1 or 2 year dead zone right now, but eventually those players will come to the nba, some many seniors more polished to help teams.
Pointgod
RealGM
Posts: 24,063
And1: 24,399
Joined: Jun 28, 2014

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#43 » by Pointgod » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:56 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
traps#10 wrote:5 second round picks are useless with NIL deals

How does NIL have any impact? lol


Good players can make more money staying in school vs being a second round pick.
User avatar
CazOnReal
Starter
Posts: 2,030
And1: 1,595
Joined: Jan 13, 2024
 

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#44 » by CazOnReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:56 pm

That's all it took?

Suns best hope they can reroute Jalen Green for more than a salary dump because this is kind of pathetic unless they nail that 10th overall pick or reroute it and Green or Brooks for someone better.
User avatar
TimeForChange
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,597
And1: 4,880
Joined: Dec 23, 2023

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#45 » by TimeForChange » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:56 pm

traps#10 wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Let's see what the Suns get for Green.


They should dangle him for a big like Claxton or one of Utah’s bigs

I wonder if they have to attach #29 to move off of Green's contract.
YogurtProducer
RealGM
Posts: 29,901
And1: 32,711
Joined: Jul 22, 2013
Location: Saskatchewan
       

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#46 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:56 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
traps#10 wrote:
Quality of second rounders since would rather stay in college and earn more + improving their draft stock to become 1st rounders in the future

i think it makes 2nd rounders less of a gamble as there will be more upperclassmen. teams will have a bigger body of work and will be able to get guys that can help much sooner.


Eventually yes. But it’ll take 2-3 years to get there.

We likely are already there. 2nd rounders a lot of the time were seniors already, so this really doesn't impact the pool that much. NIL has been a thing for a few years already, so it likely has already normalized.
What an absolute failure and disaster this franchise is, ran by one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.
- Raptors RealGM Forum re: Masai Ujiri - June 2023
YogurtProducer
RealGM
Posts: 29,901
And1: 32,711
Joined: Jul 22, 2013
Location: Saskatchewan
       

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#47 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:57 pm

djsunyc wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:So we easily could’ve beat this and didn’t. Obviously rumours were exaggerated we had interest

teams he didn't want to extend with were never in the running. it was always gonna be the spurs, rockets or heat.

I mean, Phoenix could move him whereever they liked.
What an absolute failure and disaster this franchise is, ran by one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.
- Raptors RealGM Forum re: Masai Ujiri - June 2023
djsunyc
RealGM
Posts: 99,688
And1: 73,487
Joined: Dec 28, 2003

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#48 » by djsunyc » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:57 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
traps#10 wrote:
Quality of second rounders since would rather stay in college and earn more + improving their draft stock to become 1st rounders in the future

i think it makes 2nd rounders less of a gamble as there will be more upperclassmen. teams will have a bigger body of work and will be able to get guys that can help much sooner.


Less of a gamble but also less talented

I don't agree. you are hoping to get a good backup with 2nd rounders and that will still be the case. they will just be older so i think your hit rate of finding that player goes up.
Pointgod
RealGM
Posts: 24,063
And1: 24,399
Joined: Jun 28, 2014

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#49 » by Pointgod » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:57 pm

douggood wrote:
Read on Twitter


Lmao this is what going full Ishbia looks like, although I predict the starting line up will be Booker, Beal, Brooks, PF, Richards.
User avatar
Bruin
RealGM
Posts: 25,207
And1: 39,691
Joined: Mar 11, 2018
       

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#50 » by Bruin » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:58 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
traps#10 wrote:5 second round picks are useless with NIL deals

How does NIL have any impact? lol

Many projected 2nd round picks are more inclined to stay another year in college, making 2nd round less valuable.
Image
djsunyc
RealGM
Posts: 99,688
And1: 73,487
Joined: Dec 28, 2003

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#51 » by djsunyc » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:59 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:So we easily could’ve beat this and didn’t. Obviously rumours were exaggerated we had interest

teams he didn't want to extend with were never in the running. it was always gonna be the spurs, rockets or heat.

I mean, Phoenix could move him whereever they liked.


yes but i think the other teams offers werent markedly better because he wasnt going to extend.
DreamTeam09
RealGM
Posts: 17,530
And1: 10,888
Joined: Jan 06, 2009
Location: Scarborough
 

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#52 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:59 pm

TimeForChange wrote:Gradey + RJ + 9 would have done it


Where's the Xtra 13.5m coming from that's needed to make the trade legal ?
Image

In Raptor Ball I Trust
MiamiSPX
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,036
And1: 6,210
Joined: May 19, 2023
         

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#53 » by MiamiSPX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:59 pm

Once again the player went to his desired location.
Mr.Raptorsingh
RealGM
Posts: 34,982
And1: 28,610
Joined: May 17, 2007
 

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#54 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:00 pm

Pointgod wrote:
douggood wrote:
Read on Twitter


Lmao this is what going full Ishbia looks like, although I predict the starting line up will be Booker, Beal, Brooks, PF, Richards.


Booker
Green
Beal
Brooks
Richards

Ya dig, Ishbia?
User avatar
WuTang_CMB
RealGM
Posts: 41,152
And1: 51,618
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#55 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:00 pm

Read on Twitter


The Suns engaged in serious talks to move Durant this week, primarily focused on the Heat, Rockets and Minnesota Timberwolves, sources said. Several other wild-card suitors emerged as well -- including the Toronto Raptors, Cleveland Cavaliers, LA Clippers and Denver Nuggets, sources said. But with Durant on an expiring, $54.7 million contract and eligible for a new two-year extension after the trade, the league's market for him clearly showed his ability to dictate whether he wanted to play for a franchise long term.

The Suns' conversations focused on the Rockets and Heat in recent days, but both teams showed an unwillingness to part with young cornerstones such as Jabari Smith Jr. and Reed Sheppard (Houston) and Kel'el Ware (Miami) in a Durant deal, sources said. The Heat made multiple offers for Durant but ultimately turned down the opportunity to place Jaime Jaquez Jr., Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, the No. 20 pick and other draft assets in a deal, sources said.

Green averaged 21 points, 4.6 rebounds and 3.4 assists this season while shooting a career-best 35.4% from 3-point range. The 23-year-old -- who was the No. 2 pick in the 2021 NBA draft -- played all 82 games in each of the last 2 seasons. He made 234 3-pointers this season, the most in a campaign by a Rockets player since James Harden in 2019-20. He now teams with All-NBA star Devin Booker to form a high-powered backcourt in their 20s.

Brooks shot a career-best 39.7% on 3-pointers this season and ranked third in total defensive matchups against 2025 All-Stars this season, according to ESPN Research. Whitmore, who turns 21 in July, averaged 0.46 points per touch, the fourth-best among players to record 1,000 touches this season. For a Suns team that has stated they want to preach toughness and grit moving forward, with owner Mat Ishbia preaching a new culture of "toughness," Brooks has embodied such attributes throughout his career.

Durant arrived to the Suns in a February 2023 deadline trade, and his 26.8 points per game as a member of the franchise as the most in Suns history. The Suns now have three first-round picks and eight second-rounders eligible to be traded, resetting and replenishing most of the assets they traded when they moved four firsts for Durant.

The Suns went 36-46 this season and finished in 11th place in the Western Conference with the highest payroll in NBA history, leading to organizational changes in the hiring of executive Brian Gregory as general manager and Cavaliers assistant Jordan Ott as the new head coach.
M3tro
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,986
And1: 3,647
Joined: Mar 15, 2018

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#56 » by M3tro » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:01 pm

Raptors the bridesmaid yet again
ArthurVandelay
Head Coach
Posts: 6,560
And1: 6,299
Joined: Feb 10, 2023
 

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#57 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:01 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
traps#10 wrote:5 second round picks are useless with NIL deals

How does NIL have any impact? lol


Kids are staying in school for a few million rather than entering the draft early if they're a projected SRP, so the talent pool depth is much worse than it used to be in the second round.


I think that is fair for a transitionary period…but eventually wouldn’t it mean the quality of player getting drafted in the second round actually improves as players stay longer in college programs developing, coming out older, and ready to possibly contribute sooner?
Tor_Raps
RealGM
Posts: 32,055
And1: 46,774
Joined: Oct 14, 2018

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#58 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:01 pm

traps#10 wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
traps#10 wrote:5 second round picks are useless with NIL deals

How does NIL have any impact? lol


Quality of second rounders since would rather stay in college and earn more + improving their draft stock to become 1st rounders in the future


Eventually all those players will need to declare so NIL is just delaying the inevitable for a few years. Drafts will just be stacked with more known talents since most will be older when declaring.
Pointgod
RealGM
Posts: 24,063
And1: 24,399
Joined: Jun 28, 2014

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#59 » by Pointgod » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:03 pm

Rockets obviously won the trade but Phoenix came out right around where I expected. I actually love Brooks on their team since he defends, brings toughness and can space the floor from 3. I don’t expect the #9 pick to contribute and Green should be rerouted to another team but if he stays the shot selection with him, Beal and Booker will be hilarious. At least he can provide some highlights.

This also means the pick the Suns send to the Grizzlies might be a lot worse than expected.
User avatar
Syd-TK3
RealGM
Posts: 19,162
And1: 19,550
Joined: Jun 07, 2015
 

Re: [Charania] KD To Rockets For Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 And 5 Second Round Picks 

Post#60 » by Syd-TK3 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:03 pm

RJ Yak 9 is definitely a better package but glad we didnt give in
Image

Return to Toronto Raptors