Stand pat? trade for has been star? All in?

[manjusaka]

I don’t want to break the BBB, BI, Barnes and Barrett, wanna see more of them playing together. Also want to keep Sandro, Shead and CMB on the bench.

[Clutch0z24]

If you are actully serious about being competitive we need a Big and a proper PG....AD is a risk but on the market hes the only player on the market that puts our team up another level and to be taken more seriously in the playoffs....Depending on the price i could see AD being Bobbys first target...

Reality is these are the type of guys on the market you trade for when you are playing team mid....You have to basically take the risk in trading for the Trae/AD/Morants/Balls/Sabonis of the world if its even possible with the lack of assets we have because idek if many teams like what we got to offer...There are no Giannis level players coming to save us...

Standing pat does nothing for the team and the timeline we decided to go on....You can't have a young developmental bench trying to develop so many young guys if you are trying to win and be serious about winning....We have Ingram/Barnes as a pretty decent duo, But thats not enough to get the job done....Love Barrett but he might be one of the only positive assets we have in any trade...

Barrett
IQ
CMB
JaKobe
Dick
2026 FRP

Should all be on the table for an upgrade imo....Drafting in the 20s does nothing for this team but more meh level projects to develop....Need some vets and one big upgrade....Would love to get in a real PG as well and get off of IQ....Would put Yak on that list but i doubt anyone wants him at his price tag and back issues.

You’ve mentioned lack of assets a few times recently. As far as I know we have all of our picks which automatically puts us near the top. Not many teams have all of their picks or any for that matter. Some examples include Denver, NYK, LAL, LAC, Minnesota, Philly, Miami, GSW, Cleveland, Orlando and others. Those are a lot of teams who are looking to compete and are limited in terms of what they can do.

The team is in very good shape. It’s not the time to be making a big splash though. We got a young team so just need to be patient. Ingram is what? Just 27? 28?

Lack of assets means any good young players with actual trading value....We have a few in Barrett/CMB but outside of that we have nothing of real value....IQ/Yak are negative contracts and no one is really happy to take them as their problems without getting something in return....I am not giving up many first round picks besides the 2026 pick because this team could go downhill any year so you do not want to trade any future firsts...Puts you in a horrible position as a franchise...

So for me the list i made is our assets....Idk if that gets AD or any other guy on the trade market atm depends on what other teams are offering....And idk how much value RJ/CMB really have to you they might be the best players in the world because you tend to overrate every player on the Raptors and downplay everyone else....But front offices might not hold these players in the same regard as you do....

[Los_29]

If you are actully serious about being competitive we need a Big and a proper PG....AD is a risk but on the market hes the only player on the market that puts our team up another level and to be taken more seriously in the playoffs....Depending on the price i could see AD being Bobbys first target...

Reality is these are the type of guys on the market you trade for when you are playing team mid....You have to basically take the risk in trading for the Trae/AD/Morants/Balls/Sabonis of the world if its even possible with the lack of assets we have because idek if many teams like what we got to offer...There are no Giannis level players coming to save us...

Standing pat does nothing for the team and the timeline we decided to go on....You can't have a young developmental bench trying to develop so many young guys if you are trying to win and be serious about winning....We have Ingram/Barnes as a pretty decent duo, But thats not enough to get the job done....Love Barrett but he might be one of the only positive assets we have in any trade...

Barrett
IQ
CMB
JaKobe
Dick
2026 FRP

Should all be on the table for an upgrade imo....Drafting in the 20s does nothing for this team but more meh level projects to develop....Need some vets and one big upgrade....Would love to get in a real PG as well and get off of IQ....Would put Yak on that list but i doubt anyone wants him at his price tag and back issues.

You’ve mentioned lack of assets a few times recently. As far as I know we have all of our picks which automatically puts us near the top. Not many teams have all of their picks or any for that matter. Some examples include Denver, NYK, LAL, LAC, Minnesota, Philly, Miami, GSW, Cleveland, Orlando and others. Those are a lot of teams who are looking to compete and are limited in terms of what they can do.

The team is in very good shape. It’s not the time to be making a big splash though. We got a young team so just need to be patient. Ingram is what? Just 27? 28?

Lack of assets means any good young players with actual trading value....We have a few in Barrett/CMB but outside of that we have nothing of real value....IQ/Yak are negative contracts and no one is really happy to take them as their problems without getting something in return....I am not giving up many first round picks besides the 2026 pick because this team could go downhill any year so you do not want to trade any future firsts...Puts you in a horrible position as a franchise...

So for me the list i made is our assets....Idk if that gets AD or any other guy on the trade market atm depends on what other teams are offering....And idk how much value RJ/CMB really have to you they might be the best players in the world because you tend to overrate every player on the Raptors and downplay everyone else....But front offices might not hold these players in the same regard as you do....

Why would a team give up young, controllable assets for the guys we are discussing? No team is doing that. Over the past few years, picks alone have pretty much always done the job aside from the ridiculous, once in a lifetime gift that Presti received. But we can’t sit and wait for a deal like that to happen because it won’t ever happen.

We have the contracts and picks to make it work. It’s not the time to do it though.

I wouldn’t mind keeping our picks unless a good deal comes along. But I am also pretty objective and realistic about the possible outcomes we can get from the draft. For example, you were really big into Ace, Scoot, Fears, Tre, Banchero, Suggs. Some of whom you called generational talents. Just shows you how much of a crapshoot the draft can be. Our team would be complete dog poop if we had that current group of players and that would mean we had four top 5 picks, six top 10 picks in the past 5 years. So I’m not too attached to picks like you are. Seems like NBA executives feel the same way which is why they are giving them out like candy.

Just need to keep building.

[Clutch0z24]

You’ve mentioned lack of assets a few times recently. As far as I know we have all of our picks which automatically puts us near the top. Not many teams have all of their picks or any for that matter. Some examples include Denver, NYK, LAL, LAC, Minnesota, Philly, Miami, GSW, Cleveland, Orlando and others. Those are a lot of teams who are looking to compete and are limited in terms of what they can do.

The team is in very good shape. It’s not the time to be making a big splash though. We got a young team so just need to be patient. Ingram is what? Just 27? 28?

Lack of assets means any good young players with actual trading value....We have a few in Barrett/CMB but outside of that we have nothing of real value....IQ/Yak are negative contracts and no one is really happy to take them as their problems without getting something in return....I am not giving up many first round picks besides the 2026 pick because this team could go downhill any year so you do not want to trade any future firsts...Puts you in a horrible position as a franchise...

So for me the list i made is our assets....Idk if that gets AD or any other guy on the trade market atm depends on what other teams are offering....And idk how much value RJ/CMB really have to you they might be the best players in the world because you tend to overrate every player on the Raptors and downplay everyone else....But front offices might not hold these players in the same regard as you do....

Why would a team give up young, controllable assets for the guys we are discussing? No team is doing that. Over the past few years, picks alone have pretty much always done the job aside from the ridiculous, once in a lifetime gift that Presti received. But we can’t sit and wait for a deal like that to happen because it won’t ever happen.

We have the contracts and picks to make it work. It’s not the time to do it though.

I wouldn’t mind keeping our picks unless a good deal comes along. But I am also pretty objective and realistic about the possible outcomes we can get from the draft. For example, you were really big into Ace, Scoot, Fears, Tre, Banchero, Suggs. Some of whom you called generational talents. Just shows you how much of a crapshoot the draft can be. Our team would be complete dog poop if we had that current group of players and that would mean we had four top 5 picks, six top 10 picks in the past 5 years. So I’m not too attached to picks like you are. Seems like NBA executives feel the same way which is why they are giving them out like candy.

Just need to keep building.

Lol generational? You realize generational talents are like LeBron, Wemby types....I never said them guys were generational talents if i liked a few of them during their draft cycle thats a different thing than saying "Generational" I was advocating for the team to go for Wemby who is really generational while you were saying he sucks at basketball? Lol...But you are trying to get this thread to be off topic again with dumb topics that this is not about like you seem to do in every thread i type in....So you should just relax a little bit on doing that....

The point is at the end of the day we do not have very many positive assets right now to use in trades....We have draft picks (Which i am unwilling to trade for anyone on the market) RJ/CMB < Two guys that may or may not have value on the trade market right now....

You tend to overrate every Raptor and you dismiss any other players on other teams and everyone knows that about you already....So coming from you its not a surprise that you are again over hyping our assets...

Dick
Jakobe
IQ
Yak
Ochai

All have either negative or not much value on the trade market right now....No one is rubbing their hands together to trade their star players to get back any of the players on that list....That being said we will see how much real value RJ/CMB have ....We could deff get players if we give up 3-4 FRP in a trade but only a dumb GM would ever do that and any GM that does do them kinda deals usually are out of a job while the franchise suffers in the long run...

And yeah no Giannis level player is going to be saving the Raptors like Kawhi did again.....Could we try and snipe a young player on the market that ends up to be like Shai? I highly doubt it but one can hope...

[Brinbe]

I'm fine with most any scenario, though I think they should be active. At worst, you make a somewhat marginal move to better positionally balance out the roster. But I wouldn't be opposed to a homerun swing approach if the price was right. Sure, trading for someone like AD is a risk, but if the price isn't crazy, then that lessens the downsides somewhat.

I think RJ/Scottie/Ingram is kind of a funny-looking core on paper but in practice are pretty effective/complementary. But that is still a build that will require a strong 4th/5th starting piece if they had hopes to actually compete. So that will probably mean upgrading on Yak/IQ in some way.

[Clutch0z24]

I'm fine with most any scenario, though I think they should be active. At worst, you make a somewhat marginal move to better positionally balance out the roster. But I wouldn't be opposed to a homerun swing approach if the price was right. Sure, trading for someone like AD is a risk, but if the price isn't crazy, then that lessens the downsides somewhat.

I think RJ/Scottie/Ingram is kind of a funny-looking core on paper but in practice are pretty effective/complementary. But that is still a build that will require a strong 4th/5th starting piece if they had hopes to actually compete. So that will probably mean upgrading on Yak/IQ in some way.

Yep i love RJ as a player individually...But a team of RJ/Ingram/Barnes is not good enough and prolly 1st/2nd round fodder for the forseeable future....

Some like Barrett more than Barnes....So its basically to me which one you trade for an upgrade eventually Barnes or RJ (Barnes would get us a even better upgrade than whats on the market i would hope).....Because RJ is going to get paid soon so you would be locking yourself into a core of Barnes/Ingram/RJ because sadly we are not getting a big upgrade with IQ/Yak without attaching lots of picks....

We will see what Bobby does but i can see him using assets to go after Davis....Thats prolly the target Bobby is eyeing right now...What it will take to get him idk...But i could see RJ being involved...

[YogurtProducer]

Lack of assets means any good young players with actual trading value....We have a few in Barrett/CMB but outside of that we have nothing of real value....IQ/Yak are negative contracts and no one is really happy to take them as their problems without getting something in return....I am not giving up many first round picks besides the 2026 pick because this team could go downhill any year so you do not want to trade any future firsts...Puts you in a horrible position as a franchise...

So for me the list i made is our assets....Idk if that gets AD or any other guy on the trade market atm depends on what other teams are offering....And idk how much value RJ/CMB really have to you they might be the best players in the world because you tend to overrate every player on the Raptors and downplay everyone else....But front offices might not hold these players in the same regard as you do....

Why would a team give up young, controllable assets for the guys we are discussing? No team is doing that. Over the past few years, picks alone have pretty much always done the job aside from the ridiculous, once in a lifetime gift that Presti received. But we can’t sit and wait for a deal like that to happen because it won’t ever happen.

We have the contracts and picks to make it work. It’s not the time to do it though.

I wouldn’t mind keeping our picks unless a good deal comes along. But I am also pretty objective and realistic about the possible outcomes we can get from the draft. For example, you were really big into Ace, Scoot, Fears, Tre, Banchero, Suggs. Some of whom you called generational talents. Just shows you how much of a crapshoot the draft can be. Our team would be complete dog poop if we had that current group of players and that would mean we had four top 5 picks, six top 10 picks in the past 5 years. So I’m not too attached to picks like you are. Seems like NBA executives feel the same way which is why they are giving them out like candy.

Just need to keep building.

Lol generational? You realize generational talents are like LeBron, Wemby types....I never said them guys were generational talents if i liked a few of them during their draft cycle thats a different thing than saying "Generational" I was advocating for the team to go for Wemby who is really generational while you were saying he sucks at basketball? Lol...But you are trying to get this thread to be off topic again with dumb topics that this is not about like you seem to do in every thread i type in....So you should just relax a little bit on doing that....

The point is at the end of the day we do not have very many positive assets right now to use in trades....We have draft picks (Which i am unwilling to trade for anyone on the market) RJ/CMB < Two guys that may or may not have value on the trade market right now....

You tend to overrate every Raptor and you dismiss any other players on other teams and everyone knows that about you already....So coming from you its not a surprise that you are again over hyping our assets...

Dick
Jakobe
IQ
Yak
Ochai

All have either negative or not much value on the trade market right now....No one is rubbing their hands together to trade their star players to get back any of the players on that list....That being said we will see how much real value RJ/CMB have ....We could deff get players if we give up 3-4 FRP in a trade but only a dumb GM would ever do that and any GM that does do them kinda deals usually are out of a job while the franchise suffers in the long run...

And yeah no Giannis level player is going to be saving the Raptors like Kawhi did again.....Could we try and snipe a young player on the market that ends up to be like Shai? I highly doubt it but one can hope...

I don’t think you full grasp that like 90% of players have “no value”. This isn’t a unique “problem” to Toronto.

[Clutch0z24]

Why would a team give up young, controllable assets for the guys we are discussing? No team is doing that. Over the past few years, picks alone have pretty much always done the job aside from the ridiculous, once in a lifetime gift that Presti received. But we can’t sit and wait for a deal like that to happen because it won’t ever happen.

We have the contracts and picks to make it work. It’s not the time to do it though.

I wouldn’t mind keeping our picks unless a good deal comes along. But I am also pretty objective and realistic about the possible outcomes we can get from the draft. For example, you were really big into Ace, Scoot, Fears, Tre, Banchero, Suggs. Some of whom you called generational talents. Just shows you how much of a crapshoot the draft can be. Our team would be complete dog poop if we had that current group of players and that would mean we had four top 5 picks, six top 10 picks in the past 5 years. So I’m not too attached to picks like you are. Seems like NBA executives feel the same way which is why they are giving them out like candy.

Just need to keep building.

Lol generational? You realize generational talents are like LeBron, Wemby types....I never said them guys were generational talents if i liked a few of them during their draft cycle thats a different thing than saying "Generational" I was advocating for the team to go for Wemby who is really generational while you were saying he sucks at basketball? Lol...But you are trying to get this thread to be off topic again with dumb topics that this is not about like you seem to do in every thread i type in....So you should just relax a little bit on doing that....

The point is at the end of the day we do not have very many positive assets right now to use in trades....We have draft picks (Which i am unwilling to trade for anyone on the market) RJ/CMB < Two guys that may or may not have value on the trade market right now....

You tend to overrate every Raptor and you dismiss any other players on other teams and everyone knows that about you already....So coming from you its not a surprise that you are again over hyping our assets...

Dick
Jakobe
IQ
Yak
Ochai

All have either negative or not much value on the trade market right now....No one is rubbing their hands together to trade their star players to get back any of the players on that list....That being said we will see how much real value RJ/CMB have ....We could deff get players if we give up 3-4 FRP in a trade but only a dumb GM would ever do that and any GM that does do them kinda deals usually are out of a job while the franchise suffers in the long run...

And yeah no Giannis level player is going to be saving the Raptors like Kawhi did again.....Could we try and snipe a young player on the market that ends up to be like Shai? I highly doubt it but one can hope...

I don’t think you full grasp that like 90% of players have “no value”. This isn’t a unique “problem” to Toronto.

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

[Los_29]

Lol generational? You realize generational talents are like LeBron, Wemby types....I never said them guys were generational talents if i liked a few of them during their draft cycle thats a different thing than saying "Generational" I was advocating for the team to go for Wemby who is really generational while you were saying he sucks at basketball? Lol...But you are trying to get this thread to be off topic again with dumb topics that this is not about like you seem to do in every thread i type in....So you should just relax a little bit on doing that....

The point is at the end of the day we do not have very many positive assets right now to use in trades....We have draft picks (Which i am unwilling to trade for anyone on the market) RJ/CMB < Two guys that may or may not have value on the trade market right now....

You tend to overrate every Raptor and you dismiss any other players on other teams and everyone knows that about you already....So coming from you its not a surprise that you are again over hyping our assets...

Dick
Jakobe
IQ
Yak
Ochai

All have either negative or not much value on the trade market right now....No one is rubbing their hands together to trade their star players to get back any of the players on that list....That being said we will see how much real value RJ/CMB have ....We could deff get players if we give up 3-4 FRP in a trade but only a dumb GM would ever do that and any GM that does do them kinda deals usually are out of a job while the franchise suffers in the long run...

And yeah no Giannis level player is going to be saving the Raptors like Kawhi did again.....Could we try and snipe a young player on the market that ends up to be like Shai? I highly doubt it but one can hope...

I don’t think you full grasp that like 90% of players have “no value”. This isn’t a unique “problem” to Toronto.

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

lol Jalen Green is not an asset. KD came cheap because of his age. It’s funny how he’s their best player despite him being 38. lol.

Spurs do have young players on good contracts for sure. They did trade some of their picks for Fox but still have all their picks. Just like us. I like the Spurs a lot but it’s worrisome that Wemby can’t seem to stay healthy.

OKC doesn’t have the young, controllable talent anymore as Chet and JDubs are going to be soon immensely overpaid. But they do have their picks just like us. Plus additional picks that might convey.

[Clutch0z24]

I don’t think you full grasp that like 90% of players have “no value”. This isn’t a unique “problem” to Toronto.

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

lol Jalen Green is not an asset. KD came cheap because of his age. It’s funny how he’s their best player despite him being 38. lol.

Spurs do have young players on good contracts for sure. They did trade some of their picks for Fox but still have all their picks. Just like us. I like the Spurs a lot but it’s worrisome that Wemby can’t seem to stay healthy.

OKC doesn’t have the young, controllable talent anymore as Chet and JDubs are going to be soon immensely overpaid. But they do have their picks just like us. Plus additional picks that might convey.

Lol are you trying to make a case we would outbid teams like the Spurs/Okc/Rockets in a trade? Maybe if we trade Barnes + Picks you can outbid these teams but besides that our asset base is not particularly close....If you think it is idk what to tell you....Again do we have the worst in the league no....But are we also team mid in the asset department? Yes....

Teams like the Hawks for example could trump any trade we try and make just by adding the Pels 2026 pick + Zaccharie....There are teams that can outbid us on the market because our young asset base is not very good....CMB/Barrett are the only young assets we have that have any sort of value...So unless you are willing to give up 3-4 FRP for a guy the chances you outbid them teams would be tough to do....

And idek what kinda value RJ has league wide because if reports are accurate we have been trying to trade him for a while to no luck....But thats rumours so who knows but we shall see how it plays out...

[Psubs]

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

lol Jalen Green is not an asset. KD came cheap because of his age. It’s funny how he’s their best player despite him being 38. lol.

Spurs do have young players on good contracts for sure. They did trade some of their picks for Fox but still have all their picks. Just like us. I like the Spurs a lot but it’s worrisome that Wemby can’t seem to stay healthy.

OKC doesn’t have the young, controllable talent anymore as Chet and JDubs are going to be soon immensely overpaid. But they do have their picks just like us. Plus additional picks that might convey.

Lol are you trying to make a case we would outbid teams like the Spurs/Okc/Rockets in a trade? Maybe if we trade Barnes + Picks you can outbid these teams but besides that our asset base is not particularly close....If you think it is idk what to tell you....Again do we have the worst in the league no....But are we also team mid in the asset department? Yes....

Teams like the Hawks for example could trump any trade we try and make just by adding the Pels 2026 pick + Zaccharie....There are teams that can outbid us on the market because our young asset base is not very good....CMB/Barrett are the only young assets we have that have any sort of value...So unless you are willing to give up 3-4 FRP for a guy the chances you outbid them teams would be tough to do....

And idek what kinda value RJ has league wide because if reports are accurate we have been trying to trade him for a while to no luck....But thats rumours so who knows but we shall see how it plays out...

Quin Snyder is willing to trade Risacher because he might be a year away from becoming Gradey Dick.

[Clutch0z24]

lol Jalen Green is not an asset. KD came cheap because of his age. It’s funny how he’s their best player despite him being 38. lol.

Spurs do have young players on good contracts for sure. They did trade some of their picks for Fox but still have all their picks. Just like us. I like the Spurs a lot but it’s worrisome that Wemby can’t seem to stay healthy.

OKC doesn’t have the young, controllable talent anymore as Chet and JDubs are going to be soon immensely overpaid. But they do have their picks just like us. Plus additional picks that might convey.

Lol are you trying to make a case we would outbid teams like the Spurs/Okc/Rockets in a trade? Maybe if we trade Barnes + Picks you can outbid these teams but besides that our asset base is not particularly close....If you think it is idk what to tell you....Again do we have the worst in the league no....But are we also team mid in the asset department? Yes....

Teams like the Hawks for example could trump any trade we try and make just by adding the Pels 2026 pick + Zaccharie....There are teams that can outbid us on the market because our young asset base is not very good....CMB/Barrett are the only young assets we have that have any sort of value...So unless you are willing to give up 3-4 FRP for a guy the chances you outbid them teams would be tough to do....

And idek what kinda value RJ has league wide because if reports are accurate we have been trying to trade him for a while to no luck....But thats rumours so who knows but we shall see how it plays out...

Quin Snyder is willing to trade Risacher because he might be a year away from becoming Gradey Dick.

Pels pick?...

[Kobe Anunoby]

show me to money! ill take 3 antetokounmpos please

[TimeForChange]

Give me a PG. Whether it’s LaMelo, Trae or anyone else on the market

[mdenny]

I'm fine with most any scenario, though I think they should be active. At worst, you make a somewhat marginal move to better positionally balance out the roster. But I wouldn't be opposed to a homerun swing approach if the price was right. Sure, trading for someone like AD is a risk, but if the price isn't crazy, then that lessens the downsides somewhat.

I think RJ/Scottie/Ingram is kind of a funny-looking core on paper but in practice are pretty effective/complementary. But that is still a build that will require a strong 4th/5th starting piece if they had hopes to actually compete. So that will probably mean upgrading on Yak/IQ in some way.

I've been wondering about how scotty/BI/RJ seems to work better in practise than it looks on paper so far. I think the main answer is passing. Most troikas have at least one guy deficient in passing. And maybe one othef guy who's average.

All 3 of them are better than average at passing given their respective roles/positions. I think that's the main reason it's working. Poetl is also an above average passer compared to other centers.

One thing i'm a little concerned of during the playoffs is losing alit of our transitional scoring. The lack of transition buckets may neutralize scott's main offensive attributes.

[mdenny]

lol Jalen Green is not an asset. KD came cheap because of his age. It’s funny how he’s their best player despite him being 38. lol.

Spurs do have young players on good contracts for sure. They did trade some of their picks for Fox but still have all their picks. Just like us. I like the Spurs a lot but it’s worrisome that Wemby can’t seem to stay healthy.

OKC doesn’t have the young, controllable talent anymore as Chet and JDubs are going to be soon immensely overpaid. But they do have their picks just like us. Plus additional picks that might convey.

Lol are you trying to make a case we would outbid teams like the Spurs/Okc/Rockets in a trade? Maybe if we trade Barnes + Picks you can outbid these teams but besides that our asset base is not particularly close....If you think it is idk what to tell you....Again do we have the worst in the league no....But are we also team mid in the asset department? Yes....

Teams like the Hawks for example could trump any trade we try and make just by adding the Pels 2026 pick + Zaccharie....There are teams that can outbid us on the market because our young asset base is not very good....CMB/Barrett are the only young assets we have that have any sort of value...So unless you are willing to give up 3-4 FRP for a guy the chances you outbid them teams would be tough to do....

And idek what kinda value RJ has league wide because if reports are accurate we have been trying to trade him for a while to no luck....But thats rumours so who knows but we shall see how it plays out...

Quin Snyder is willing to trade Risacher because he might be a year away from becoming Gradey Dick.

His defense is too good for that.

[Pointgod]

I'm fine with most any scenario, though I think they should be active. At worst, you make a somewhat marginal move to better positionally balance out the roster. But I wouldn't be opposed to a homerun swing approach if the price was right. Sure, trading for someone like AD is a risk, but if the price isn't crazy, then that lessens the downsides somewhat.

I think RJ/Scottie/Ingram is kind of a funny-looking core on paper but in practice are pretty effective/complementary. But that is still a build that will require a strong 4th/5th starting piece if they had hopes to actually compete. So that will probably mean upgrading on Yak/IQ in some way.

Yep i love RJ as a player individually...But a team of RJ/Ingram/Barnes is not good enough and prolly 1st/2nd round fodder for the forseeable future....

Some like Barrett more than Barnes....So its basically to me which one you trade for an upgrade eventually Barnes or RJ (Barnes would get us a even better upgrade than whats on the market i would hope).....Because RJ is going to get paid soon so you would be locking yourself into a core of Barnes/Ingram/RJ because sadly we are not getting a big upgrade with IQ/Yak without attaching lots of picks....

We will see what Bobby does but i can see him using assets to go after Davis....Thats prolly the target Bobby is eyeing right now...What it will take to get him idk...But i could see RJ being involved...

If the team wants to tie ourselves to the RJ, Scottie, Ingram core, knowing Poeltl is an unmovable contract, our immediate focus should be building depth. Collect picks and guys underperforming on rookie contracts even if it means taking on some longer term salary. CMB, Shead and Jakobe are keepers. Mamu too if we can keep him on a deal long term. I don’t think we should make any moves where we’re trading multiple picks or taking on superstar salaries because we aren’t close to being contenders.

[YogurtProducer]

Lol generational? You realize generational talents are like LeBron, Wemby types....I never said them guys were generational talents if i liked a few of them during their draft cycle thats a different thing than saying "Generational" I was advocating for the team to go for Wemby who is really generational while you were saying he sucks at basketball? Lol...But you are trying to get this thread to be off topic again with dumb topics that this is not about like you seem to do in every thread i type in....So you should just relax a little bit on doing that....

The point is at the end of the day we do not have very many positive assets right now to use in trades....We have draft picks (Which i am unwilling to trade for anyone on the market) RJ/CMB < Two guys that may or may not have value on the trade market right now....

You tend to overrate every Raptor and you dismiss any other players on other teams and everyone knows that about you already....So coming from you its not a surprise that you are again over hyping our assets...

Dick
Jakobe
IQ
Yak
Ochai

All have either negative or not much value on the trade market right now....No one is rubbing their hands together to trade their star players to get back any of the players on that list....That being said we will see how much real value RJ/CMB have ....We could deff get players if we give up 3-4 FRP in a trade but only a dumb GM would ever do that and any GM that does do them kinda deals usually are out of a job while the franchise suffers in the long run...

And yeah no Giannis level player is going to be saving the Raptors like Kawhi did again.....Could we try and snipe a young player on the market that ends up to be like Shai? I highly doubt it but one can hope...

I don’t think you full grasp that like 90% of players have “no value”. This isn’t a unique “problem” to Toronto.

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

So you named 2 teams. How does refute my point that most of the players in the nba don’t have value?

Like IQ “doesn’t have value”, but how many guys in his price range do?

Jrue? Grant? Poole? Middleton?

Sure, a guy like Brunson who took a discount does, or Sengun who took his max off his rookie deal, but the vas majority of guys who have gotten extensions don’t have positive value.

There are a small number of players with “good contracts”. Most are neutral (like IQ, and Poeltl), and then you got your negatives.

In your theoretical of trading for a star we have all our picks, which is the main piece (and salaries) teams want back in trades

[Clutch0z24]

I don’t think you full grasp that like 90% of players have “no value”. This isn’t a unique “problem” to Toronto.

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

So you named 2 teams. How does refute my point that most of the players in the nba don’t have value?

Like IQ “doesn’t have value”, but how many guys in his price range do?

Jrue? Grant? Poole? Middleton?

Sure, a guy like Brunson who took a discount does, or Sengun who took his max off his rookie deal, but the vas majority of guys who have gotten extensions don’t have positive value.

There are a small number of players with “good contracts”. Most are neutral (like IQ, and Poeltl), and then you got your negatives.

In your theoretical of trading for a star we have all our picks, which is the main piece (and salaries) teams want back in trades

Teams want draft picks or young good prospects....We would yes be forced to give up all our picks for a star while some teams that collected actually good young talents would not have to give up every pick they have because they have a mix of both.....if that star unless they hand pick Raptors we can easily be outbid by teams all it takes is 2 or 3 teams to be able to outbid us on the trade market to miss out on that player....So it really does not matter if its only a few teams i named....Im simply saying we have to trade for flawed stars that everyone on the board hates to trade for because them are the only type of players we maybe have the assets to get....And even that idk if other teams can outbid us in that department as well...

With playing the trade game it is alot easier when you have the most assets in the room....We atm have mid level assets in terms of players to trade in the grand scheme of things....I don't see any team looking to aquire IQ/Yak/Dick/JaKobe/Mogbo/Ochai or really be after them because they are not vets that are impactfull (Yak & IQ Would be ok but at that price tag not many want) players to help your team win in that department nor are they young players with a ton of potential.....Hard to really make a + Winning trade for a big time upgrade with what we have...

[Los_29]

I mean if you build up your young asset base you do have young guys that have alot of value....Rockets for example have many assets to play with because they have alot of good young assets via draft....They cashed some of their assets to get KD with Green/10th pick....

Spurs as well would be able to combine some young guys to get an upgrade if it were to come available as well as OKC who have a slew of draft picks from other teams to offer up as well....

Our asset base is not the worst in the NBA i am not saying that at all....But its also not really super positive either to win in any trade if a player like Giannis was ever truely on the market for example....Unless he hand picked to want to be here....We are prolly looking at a flawed star to gamble on and hope it works out for us....Which it might...But its also possible we get outbid for the flawed stars in trades depending on what teams are willing to offer...

So you named 2 teams. How does refute my point that most of the players in the nba don’t have value?

Like IQ “doesn’t have value”, but how many guys in his price range do?

Jrue? Grant? Poole? Middleton?

Sure, a guy like Brunson who took a discount does, or Sengun who took his max off his rookie deal, but the vas majority of guys who have gotten extensions don’t have positive value.

There are a small number of players with “good contracts”. Most are neutral (like IQ, and Poeltl), and then you got your negatives.

In your theoretical of trading for a star we have all our picks, which is the main piece (and salaries) teams want back in trades

Teams want draft picks or young good prospects....We would yes be forced to give up all our picks for a star while some teams that collected actually good young talents would not have to give up every pick they have because they have a mix of both.....if that star unless they hand pick Raptors we can easily be outbid by teams all it takes is 2 or 3 teams to be able to outbid us on the trade market to miss out on that player....So it really does not matter if its only a few teams i named....Im simply saying we have to trade for flawed stars that everyone on the board hates to trade for because them are the only type of players we maybe have the assets to get....And even that idk if other teams can outbid us in that department as well...

With playing the trade game it is alot easier when you have the most assets in the room....We atm have mid level assets in terms of players to trade in the grand scheme of things....I don't see any team looking to aquire IQ/Yak/Dick/JaKobe/Mogbo/Ochai or really be after them because they are not vets that are impactfull (Yak & IQ Would be ok but at that price tag not many want) players to help your team win in that department nor are they young players with a ton of potential.....Hard to really make a + Winning trade for a big time upgrade with what we have...

Who are some teams with picks and young good prospects? We’ve went over OKC and SAS. What other teams?