Fischer: Raps offered IQ + picks for Trae Young last year. Kings don’t have interest in IQ & Poeltl

[Tor_Raps]

When the Kings are rejecting your contracts thats when you hit rock bottom.

Funny how some people still dont understand when theres hatred towards IQ... its strictly because hes being held to the standards of his contract.

[sidsid]

We'll probably have one more chance to move off of Jak's contract next year. It'll be very similar to the Trae trade.

2027 will be a big FA year around the league. You might see a few teams wanting to jump in with deadline deals to move off of money. RJ will be our big expiring and Jak's big extension won't have kicked in yet. You're looking at around 50M in salary to move there (standard old star Max) with Jak being the Kispert contract that the other team doesn't actually want.

[FOB]

Poeltl would’ve even pass a medical right now.
His back is absolutely cooked and so are we because of it.

Masai really handicapped this team.

Poeltl extension was entirely Bobby.

You seem to know more than others about Poeltl's back being cooked and the extension being "entirely Bobby". The way you say it, it must be more than just a personal dislike of Jak and/or Bobby, but actual information you have. So I'm curious: what are your sources?

[Jerry Lucas]

Bobby's only hope to get off the IQ contact at this point might actually be to take a swing on LaMelo.

Before Trae was traded, it was widely reported that all 3 of Trae/LaMelo/Ja have very similarly low value (ranging from neutral to negative). Now Trae has been traded, so there's precedent with the other 2.

Bobby would probably rather keep the IQ contract than take a chance on Ja, but taking a chance on LaMelo AND getting off IQ's contract might be very appealing to Bobby at this point.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

It’s not rocket science. It’s hard to believe after 2019 that Masai could do wrong, but this has been obvious. IQ’s contract was based on complete hope and wishful thinking and an irresponsible risk. Peoltl’s extension is a pretty much in excusable act of self harm by Bobby. It was a year early for a 30 yr old big with back problems.

We should accept that, take it in the chin and just try and win the most games we can. If that meant IQ comes off the bench and maybe Gradey doesn’t play anymore, be open to it. Stop paying now again for past mistakes to retrieve some sunk cost

[Tha Cynic]

Every time something bad is mentioned, people assume it’s Masai as if Bobby and Masai weren’t collaborating on all these moves lol. IMO these moves don’t get made without both thinking these were good moves.

They took a gamble that IQ could become a great starter but that didn’t happen. He would still be a great 6th man, but the issue is Raptors need a 1 and 5 badly and they may have to give up draft capital to do it. It’s not surprising they have been rumoured to go after star PGs and 5s. It will take one big trade like that to fix this.

Mistakes were made. They are made all the time by every team and every GM. Now make some good moves.

[Sandman88]

lol wow - Bobby goofed giving quick that contract. Dude is virtually untradeable now

[HumbleRen]

Every time something bad is mentioned, people assume it’s Masai as if Bobby and Masai weren’t collaborating on all these moves lol. IMO these moves don’t get made without both thinking these were good moves.

They took a gamble that IQ could become a great starter but that didn’t happen. He would still be a great 6th man, but the issue is Raptors need a 1 and 5 badly and they may have to give up draft capital to do it. It’s not surprising they have been rumoured to go after star PGs and 5s. It will take one big trade like that to fix this.

Mistakes were made. They are made all the time by every team and every GM. Now make some good moves.

Extending Poeltl was arguably worse and that was all Bobby lol.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Bobby's only hope to get off the IQ contact at this point might actually be to take a swing on LaMelo.

Before Trae was traded, it was widely reported that all 3 of Trae/LaMelo/Ja have very similarly low value (ranging from neutral to negative). Now Trae has been traded, so there's precedent with the other 2.

Bobby would probably rather keep the IQ contract than take a chance on Ja, but taking a chance on LaMelo AND getting off IQ's contract might be very appealing to Bobby at this point.

wouldn't Garland fit into that same boat? Maybe he's not viewed quite as negatively as the others, but he's also on the same contract Lamelo is on. I believe he has a trade kicker which dilutes his trade value further. And the Cavs are actually in a much worse financial position with the highest payroll in the league for a team currently tied for 7th in the East.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Masai really handicapped this team.

Poeltl extension was entirely Bobby.

You seem to know more than others about Poeltl's back being cooked and the extension being "entirely Bobby". The way you say it, it must be more than just a personal dislike of Jak and/or Bobby, but actual information you have. So I'm curious: what are your sources?

Are you being sarcastic? It was signed in July. Masai was fired after the draft.

[MEDIC]

Unfortunately the length of IQ and JPs contracts damn near make it improbable they get moved in the next 2
years.

The biggest problem is we can’t afford to re-sign RJ smh.

RJ & Mamu are the 2 most important assets to retain.

This "rebuild" would be a disaster if you couldn't retain a top 3 starter & a top bench player.

[MEDIC]

I don’t believe any of this. Unless you’re cool with an agent or player don’t believe everything you read.

Lol. Why?

[C_Money]

Unfortunately the length of IQ and JPs contracts damn near make it improbable they get moved in the next 2
years.

The biggest problem is we can’t afford to re-sign RJ smh.

That's not what anyone should be learning about the last few days of transactions and talks.

No one is lining up to sign RJ (look at the quotes about scorers who aren't defenders in the Trae trade). No one is even lining up to trade for RJ as an asset because his salary is already too big and has 2 years on it. He'll be taking a big pay cut unless we make another Jak re-signing type of mistake.

They're not even talking about our players in terms of players. It's "we're not taking those long, big salaries".

RJ will finally be a trade asset next year if the FO doesn't screw it up again.

RJ’s defence isn’t anywhere near as bad as Trae Young’s and maybe you didn’t see how terrible our offence was when he was injured. It was 30th in the league.

[Indeed]

Every time something bad is mentioned, people assume it’s Masai as if Bobby and Masai weren’t collaborating on all these moves lol. IMO these moves don’t get made without both thinking these were good moves.

They took a gamble that IQ could become a great starter but that didn’t happen. He would still be a great 6th man, but the issue is Raptors need a 1 and 5 badly and they may have to give up draft capital to do it. It’s not surprising they have been rumoured to go after star PGs and 5s. It will take one big trade like that to fix this.

Mistakes were made. They are made all the time by every team and every GM. Now make some good moves.

Extending Poeltl was arguably worse and that was all Bobby lol.

And I wouldn't be surprised all these are Webster since he got promoted.
Before promotion, DeRozan and Lowry contracts are well manageable, while these days with Trent, Quickley, Barnes, Poeltl are not, and there are reports of us overpaying starters. Also keep in mind that Webster disagreed on Ingram contract, which turned out is a pretty fair contract with his ability to create for himself.

[sidsid]

Bobby's only hope to get off the IQ contact at this point might actually be to take a swing on LaMelo.

Before Trae was traded, it was widely reported that all 3 of Trae/LaMelo/Ja have very similarly low value (ranging from neutral to negative). Now Trae has been traded, so there's precedent with the other 2.

Bobby would probably rather keep the IQ contract than take a chance on Ja, but taking a chance on LaMelo AND getting off IQ's contract might be very appealing to Bobby at this point.

wouldn't Garland fit into that same boat? Maybe he's not viewed quite as negatively as the others, but he's also on the same contract Lamelo is on. I believe he has a trade kicker which dilutes his trade value further. And the Cavs are actually in a much worse financial position with the highest payroll in the league for a team currently tied for 7th in the East.

The Cavs either want to upgrade, find a better fit, or find a way to get under the 2nd apron to make a consolidation trade. Unlike the Hawks/Griz/Hornets, they've gone all in and have to make something of this window.

The consolidation is the only thing that makes sense with what's looking available (Giannis or maybe AD). That would require then to first move off of the equivalent of Hunter's salary, cap space or exemptions, in an initial trade. Then without the apron restriction they can move Garland and Collins together.

Either way, we're not a good fit for anything they want outside of Barnes.

[C_Money]

If RJ leaves you have to move IQ to the 2 and sign a PG.

IQ will do much better as a SG.

This is so overblown. Half the time it’s Scottie bringing the ball up the court or we pass it ahead on the fast break. You don’t need some Jose Calderon type PG in the modern NBA.

[bballsparkin]

This is horrible news for the Raptors. I figured IQ's contract was an albatross, and most of the league would try to move away from it, but I didn't think that the Hawks would even scoff at it given how they performed last year. I really don't know what Bobby is going to do. I think everyone on this board realizes the mistake it was to give IQ and Jakob those extensions as it was drawn up. Not even the Kings are willing to be their normal brain-dead selves and accept those bad trades.

If Poeltl's back is truly cooked it's bad news. If not, it's not so bad. No rush. Keep building and drafting making moves around the margins until opportunity presents itself.

[refshateRaps]

People acting like it woulda been horrible?

Look, we all get D would have likely offset some of the O with Trae, but with the right line-up around him, my gut says we woulda been better. Certainly not worse.

We'll never know, but we could have used a true scoring threat and IQ aint that.

[sidsid]

The biggest problem is we can’t afford to re-sign RJ smh.

That's not what anyone should be learning about the last few days of transactions and talks.

No one is lining up to sign RJ (look at the quotes about scorers who aren't defenders in the Trae trade). No one is even lining up to trade for RJ as an asset because his salary is already too big and has 2 years on it. He'll be taking a big pay cut unless we make another Jak re-signing type of mistake.

They're not even talking about our players in terms of players. It's "we're not taking those long, big salaries".

RJ will finally be a trade asset next year if the FO doesn't screw it up again.

RJ’s defence isn’t anywhere near as bad as Trae Young’s and maybe you didn’t see how terrible our offence was when he was injured. It was 30th in the league.

The rest of the league doesn't care that RJ is better than the rookie contract development players that play behind him on our team. They care about how they would spend $30M, and the market has been pretty clear on all varying levels of these types of guys. So you shouldn't repeat mistakes.

This goes the same for Jak. If you can find a team that willingly will take on the contract mistake for not much asset cost, you do it.

[MEDIC]

Unfortunately the length of IQ and JPs contracts damn near make it improbable they get moved in the next 2
years.

The biggest problem is we can’t afford to re-sign RJ smh.

That's not what anyone should be learning about the last few days of transactions and talks.

No one is lining up to sign RJ (look at the quotes about scorers who aren't defenders in the Trae trade). No one is even lining up to trade for RJ as an asset because his salary is already too big and has 2 years on it. He'll be taking a big pay cut unless we make another Jak re-signing type of mistake.

They're not even talking about our players in terms of players. It's "we're not taking those long, big salaries".

RJ will finally be a trade asset next year if the FO doesn't screw it up again.

What we should be learning is you don't throw long term contracts at players that haven't proven themselves. Especially at n overpay.

- Paying Quick that contract was a publicity stunt. Look, we retained the guy we traded for! Just bad use of money.

- The Poeltl extension was bad.

- They shouldn't have given Gradey the 7 million for next season either. They could have had 10 million in expirings between Ochai and Gradey. That could have gone towards Mamu.

I think Bobby is in a bad spot & he knows it.