It is time to build around Bargnani!

[JN]

BC has been trying this for four years already.

[mowcrowbar]

no. hopefully derozan.. or wall or turner..

lol?

[Undefeated]

If Cb leaves, its time to package/trade players like AB, Jose, Turk to get real stars in Toronto, a star guard would be nice.

If Bosh leaves, you look to put a rebounding PF/C for Bargnani. A players that puts up 17/6 (can impove rebounding) on great percentages is pretty stupid to trade away when he has yet to fully develop.

[FTW]

How quickly they forget the godlike clutchness of Bosh just a couple months ago


You people are all up past your bedtime. Get a good nights sleep and feel ashamed in the morning

[OAKLEY_2]

4 years Ya now. The MLSEL shortcut to champion success. But it has always been a trade and sign UFA plan. Time to get picks and develop them. The only drafted players we have are Bosh, Derozan and Bargnani. Technically they are our best players or close to it. We need to draft more players or trade for newly drafted players.

[UstaadJi]

Why is this POS thread open and my "Since when do you go to a PF at the end of the game" locked?

Mod double standards at work.

[JD225]

JD225.

Whether you like it or not the Raps best player might actually be Bargs next season and that is no way a compliment. Bottom 5 in the league is where we are headed.

Nice piece of work putting my out of context comment as your signature. I believe if memory serves me correctly you were hating bad on Euros or some such foolishness and I said I would rather have Spain than the bums on the Dream team that flamed in fine style. I was making a comparison but obviously it serves you to use that as an example of your narrow vision of who can actually play this sport. Bargs will be one element of a young core of 7 or 8 under 25 year old players. Start the hating.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. Nothing in that quote is out of context: you would replace the Raps with the Italian National team or the Spanish National team. Also I'm pretty sure I wasn't even involved in the thread you posted your nonsense. Next time think twice before you a) call a poster racist and b) make such ridiculous claims about the Raps

[dagger]

WE should not build around anyone. That's the problem. We feed Bosh almost exclusively in the fourth quarters of games. Denver goes to multiple players down the stretch. You can't ignore Billups, you can't even ignore Nene.

But our default time and time again is Bosh, and every coach in the league knows it. You don't need a scouting report.

What we have to do is develop second and third options AND USE THEM, running specific plays that cater to their strengths. And that also takes defensive pressure off Bosh.

[UstaadJi]

WE should not build around anyone. That's the problem. We feed Bosh almost exclusively in the fourth quarters of games. Denver goes to multiple players down the stretch. You can't ignore Billups, you can't even ignore Nene.

But our default time and time again is Bosh, and every coach in the league knows it. You don't need a scouting report.

What we have to do is develop second and third options AND USE THEM, running specific plays that cater to their strengths. And that also takes defensive pressure off Bosh.

Yup. This has been going on for years. It really starts and ends though with the lack of a creating PG and wing. Pre Horford TJ was the closest thing we had at taking real pressure off of Bosh because he would put it in his own hands. Triano has been unable to even create a second option with the talent we have..and we have some talent of course, like Bargs.

[whoknows]

Bosh can't even have one bad game...

...7 years in Tibet...
let's face it, CB4 never was and never be the team leader/franchise that some toot him to be.

He is a very nice complementary player, we should all realize that by now.

[dagger]

Our best player next season is likely going to come via a trade, after BC goes apesh*t this summer, trying to find the right mix of players to make this all work. He won't have to cater to Chris Bosh anymore - he's going to trade for that player who compliments what they (Triano and BC) want to do. I think he might even trade DeRozan, who by the way had a tremendous game tonight, showing glimpses of his potential - to acquire that said player.

Am I the only one who can see this happening?

If Bosh leaves, I think we will go with internal development. Trades will be for complementary players. We're not going to trade for a star because there are few of those available who aren't grossly overpaid. You want Michael Redd? You can have him for cheap, but I'd rather have one Bosh than two Michael Redds.

[mrcapslock]

we're building around bargnani right now, all offense no defense, run and gun. This is bargnani's game. If we build a half court system, bargnani won't do much.

[UstaadJi]

Bosh can't even have one bad game...

...7 years in Tibet...
let's face it, CB4 never was and never be the team leader/franchise that some toot him to be.

He is a very nice complementary player, we should all realize that by now.

Question, you have Yoda in your pic..so you should have at least thought about this.





Who has complimented Bosh in order for you or anyone else to come up with the conclusion that he's not a franchise player?

He hasn't had a Cassell

He hasn't had a Spree

These were complimentary players that KG had in Minny...and they weren't anything super special...yet they would still be light years ahead of ANYTHING Bosh has ever had in Toronto!

Dwell on that.

[dagger]

How quickly they forget the godlike clutchness of Bosh just a couple months ago


You people are all up past your bedtime. Get a good nights sleep and feel ashamed in the morning

People do have a right to bitch. The season is 82 games long. It gets tougher, so our players have to adjust. Bosh has not been the same since the all-star break and that was almost six weeks ago!

Bosh wants a contract averaging $20 million. And he says, NO DISCOUNTS. And he wants to be THE MAN.

So yes, we have the right to demand value for that, and while he's certainly not bad, he's no max player.

That's what really irks a lot of people. We know we suck if he leaves, but we suck only slightly less if he stays, and it costs us STUPID money to keep him happy and to keep him on his pedestal, and our coaches kiss his ass by giving him the ball so often in crunch time instead of developing a second option to take the pressure off him. (And yes, Turk was supposed to be part of that, but that's another story.)

[UstaadJi]

How quickly they forget the godlike clutchness of Bosh just a couple months ago


You people are all up past your bedtime. Get a good nights sleep and feel ashamed in the morning

People do have a right to bitch. The season is 82 games long. It gets tougher, so our players have to adjust. Bosh has not been the same since the all-star break and that was almost six weeks ago!

Bosh wants a contract averaging $20 million. And he says, NO DISCOUNTS. And he wants to be THE MAN.

So yes, we have the right to demand value for that, and while he's certainly not bad, he's no max player.

That's what really irks a lot of people. We know we suck if he leaves, but we suck only slightly less if he stays, and it costs us STUPID money to keep him happy and to keep him on his pedestal, and our coaches kiss his ass by giving him the ball so often in crunch time instead of developing a second option to take the pressure off him. (And yes, Turk was supposed to be part of that, but that's another story.)

You must be drinking tonight.

[whoknows]

Bosh can't even have one bad game...

...7 years in Tibet...
let's face it, CB4 never was and never be the team leader/franchise that some toot him to be.

He is a very nice complementary player, we should all realize that by now.

Question, you have Yoda in your pic..so you should have at least thought about this.





Who has complimented Bosh in order for you or anyone else to come up with the conclusion that he's not a franchise player?

He hasn't had a Cassell

He hasn't had a Spree

These were complimentary players that KG had in Minny...and they weren't anything super special...yet they would still be light years ahead of ANYTHING Bosh has ever had in Toronto!

Dwell on that.

are you comparing KG to CB4 leadership?

Why don't you try you comparison on the general board (not here where homer blindness is high).
Come back after and try to justify the result of that poll...

[UstaadJi]

KG's leadership couldn't do squat in Minny with Spree and Cassell. Winning is all that matters. People were resorting to calling him the "ultimate role player" and a guy you couldn't build around. He changed people's perspectives in Boston.

Now that that's clear...

You've yet to answer the basic question, who has Bosh had that's anywhere even close to Spree and Cassell.

[whoknows]

How quickly they forget the godlike clutchness of Bosh just a couple months ago


You people are all up past your bedtime. Get a good nights sleep and feel ashamed in the morning

People do have a right to bitch. The season is 82 games long. It gets tougher, so our players have to adjust. Bosh has not been the same since the all-star break and that was almost six weeks ago!

Bosh wants a contract averaging $20 million. And he says, NO DISCOUNTS. And he wants to be THE MAN.

So yes, we have the right to demand value for that, and while he's certainly not bad, he's no max player.

That's what really irks a lot of people. We know we suck if he leaves, but we suck only slightly less if he stays, and it costs us STUPID money to keep him happy and to keep him on his pedestal, and our coaches kiss his ass by giving him the ball so often in crunch time instead of developing a second option to take the pressure off him. (And yes, Turk was supposed to be part of that, but that's another story.)

You must be drinking tonight.

maybe you should ask yourself what has CB4 proven in the last 7 years in the league?

Why do Shaq call him the "RuPaul of the big man", Paul Pierce gives him a facial and stands over him while teammates don't care (for a fake leader), Zack Randolph and many other NBA players openly questions CB4 play, etc.

Are all these players wrong and some of the posters here right?

[Undefeated]

It really starts and ends though with the lack of a creating PG and wing.

The Raptors can always run the offense through Bargnani.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Our best player next season is likely going to come via a trade, after BC goes apesh*t this summer, trying to find the right mix of players to make this all work. He won't have to cater to Chris Bosh anymore - he's going to trade for that player who compliments what they (Triano and BC) want to do. I think he might even trade DeRozan, who by the way had a tremendous game tonight, showing glimpses of his potential - to acquire that said player.

Am I the only one who can see this happening?

If Bosh leaves, I think we will go with internal development. Trades will be for complementary players. We're not going to trade for a star because there are few of those available who aren't grossly overpaid. You want Michael Redd? You can have him for cheap, but I'd rather have one Bosh than two Michael Redds.

Heck no to Michael Redd. That's definitely NOT who I had in mind. I was thinking along the lines of trading for a young, up-and-comer. The guy who I had in mind, was New Orleans' Darren Collison. We probably will have to take on - as you put it, a grossly overpaid player, like Emeka Okafor (maybe Mo'-Pete as well), but if you think Collison is worth it, and I certainly do, then it's something I believe BC will pursue.

You made a comment about having a pecking order on offence. You know what you can do to make sure everyone is getting their touches - get a top flight PG. If you're going to build around anybody, and this is probably why BC values PGs at a premium (he's had the likes of Kevin Johnson, Nash, Kidd, traded for T.J. Ford, etc.), build around a PG.

Which is why I can see Bryan Colangelo going after New Orleans' Darren Collison this offseason. He's an up-and-comer, really sets up his teammates well, and is great character player. He's got to work on the turnovers, but I really think this dude can play. He's Bosh-like, minus the ego.

Maybe, not everyone thinks of highly of Collison like I do, but this should not be a backup PG to Chris Paul. He can run the show IMO.