New Bosh free agent insight - seems like a new tune

[reck0n3r]

What bothers me, as a fan, is that with 10 games left to play and the playoffs up in the air, our team is in turmoil, spinning out of control and we still have to hear this same speculative crap surrounding Bosh. I "get" that he needs to leave all his doors open, because they are and that it's a good bargening tool. I understand all that. I appreciate the politics and acting job you need to do, to a degree.

But on the other hand, I just wish we would hear firm statements about playoffs, winning games, inspiring team mates, and so forth. You can keep your options open contractually and simply state that your focus is on the team and winning these critical games and that he'll deal with his free agency WHEN HE IS A FREE AGENT.

The focus should be on the name on the front of the jerey, not the back.
(and yes I completely understand that are connected during this important off season).

Inspiring teammates? Dude, dont you know how useless that is?

What's this guy talking about?

And yes this definitely is a new tune vs his previous statements. Good.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

BC is the boy genius who was brought in here to build a contender.

The only way a contender is built is if you have at least two stars on the roster (see all the contenders' rosters right now).

Since every contender has found a way to get at least two legitimate stars to play on their roster (even dumbasses like Ainge in Boston and Kupchak in LA turned the trick), it should be easy for BC to do the same.

If you're going to say that it can't be done in Toronto, then you might as well give up on any championship aspirations for this franchise for good.

Every player has a price, so I'd say there's a a few players (in the range of, say, Andrew Bogut) out there that can be had for the right price.

This is a little bit of revisionism here considering the moves BC has made.

Fact is he took some risks in order for a second star to pan out (Bogut type level), but the risks fell flat instead of panning out.

Traded for TJ - Ford was drafted as the best pure PG in the stacked '04 draft, showed the promise of being a top PG but had injury concerns which was the risk and came back to bite him in the butt.

Traded for JO - JO had a proven track record as an all-defensive team player and a consumate all-star coming back from injury. Another risk that didn't pan out.

Signed Turk - coming off his 2 best years as a pro, making it to the finals as 2nd option and was the coveted FA this past offseason. Who would have thought he'd turn this lazy after the an inept coaching staff couldn't figure out how to use him.

It definitely hasn't been for lack of trying on BCs behalf.

As for Bosh singing a new tune? Doesn't sound any different to me other than the "it's going to be a long drawn out process this summer". It's the same non-commital, wait and see stuff we've heard before, except it does have an underlying tone of "BC has an opportunity to fix this team before I sign with anyone"

[Reignman]

Can't wait till Bosh packs up his bags and gets out... This season has been all about will he..won't he.Can't wait until reality hits him in the face just like Damon, Tracy and Vince

Only problem I see,... is that Bosh is playing at such a low level that there might not be other teams willing to sign and trade at the max.. Raps will be stuck with his crap again....and eventually he will cry himself outta here.

Actually, this season is all about how to waste $10 mil:

- Bargs "I'm lazy and unfocused", and we made him our starting C when he's just not a starting big man in the NBA. He's a SF or a 6th man.
- Turk, I was overpaid by a overrated GM
- Jose, he's barely a starter now

These are the 3 reasons this season went sideways, it's pretty clear to see. Not only can they not play their positions at an adequate level to compete but there attitudes seem to have had a negative effect on the overall team.

Youre just like the suppossed STAR you worship.. a big crybaby who blames others for his misfortunes.... Says a lot about him and you.

No, it actually says alot about the underperforming mediocre players on overpaid contracts that I listed above.

Don't get all butthurt because i called out Bargnani. Actually, you're more like him, blame the best player on the team for not getting the more out these scrubby ass players.

Once we get rid of losers like Bargs, Hedo and Jose this team will be better for it, with / without Bosh.

[Hassassin]

Can't wait till Bosh packs up his bags and gets out... This season has been all about will he..won't he.Can't wait until reality hits him in the face just like Damon, Tracy and Vince

Only problem I see,... is that Bosh is playing at such a low level that there might not be other teams willing to sign and trade at the max.. Raps will be stuck with his crap again....and eventually he will cry himself outta here.

Actually, this season is all about how to waste $10 mil:

- Bargs "I'm lazy and unfocused", and we made him our starting C when he's just not a starting big man in the NBA. He's a SF or a 6th man.
- Turk, I was overpaid by a overrated GM
- Jose, he's barely a starter now

These are the 3 reasons this season went sideways, it's pretty clear to see. Not only can they not play their positions at an adequate level to compete but there attitudes seem to have had a negative effect on the overall team.

Youre just like the suppossed STAR you worship.. a big crybaby who blames others for his misfortunes.... Says a lot about him and you.

He is blaming Colangelo and his mismanagement and misallocation of resources into pieces that don't fit. That is where the real problem lies. Not Bosh. Getting rid of your best player on the roster but still retaining the architect of this group won't change a thing next year or in the future.

[lucky777s]

"I think it's going to drag out for a while," Bosh told The Miami Herald Sunday. "There are so many possibilities and scenarios, with guys staying with their own teams and trying to get other guys [to sign]. You have to look at combinations and possibilities of what could happen. So I don't expect it to be over too quickly."

This basically makes clear that a MOVE of some kind is more or less certain - the only question is where - and it will be determined by what else goes on.

Staying with Toronto would not require any of these things to really be factors, though getting players here would be, but that - or staying - was clearly not mentioned and would seemingly only happen if others options didn't come to fruition based on the market.

I agree with this. He wants a contender, not just a playoff team. He clearly says the combinations and moves that happen will be a big factor. That means he wants a much better guy or guys next to him and that is not too likely in TOR with Turk, Bargs, and Jose not looking like attractive trade assets for a real star.

He will get his money in a S&T cause that is how the league works. BC will say something is better than nothing and won't want to piss off the agents who have long memories.

[sanity]

He is blaming Colangelo and his mismanagement and misallocation of resources into pieces that don't fit. That is where the real problem lies. Not Bosh. Getting rid of your best player on the roster but still retaining the architect of this group won't change a thing next year or in the future.

Cannot disagree here. The hate on Bosh is misplaced. If he bolts, the last 4 years of what Colangelo has done with this franchise was basically for nothing.

[dacrusha]

BC is the boy genius who was brought in here to build a contender.

The only way a contender is built is if you have at least two stars on the roster (see all the contenders' rosters right now).

Since every contender has found a way to get at least two legitimate stars to play on their roster (even dumbasses like Ainge in Boston and Kupchak in LA turned the trick), it should be easy for BC to do the same.

If you're going to say that it can't be done in Toronto, then you might as well give up on any championship aspirations for this franchise for good.

Every player has a price, so I'd say there's a a few players (in the range of, say, Andrew Bogut) out there that can be had for the right price.

This is a little bit of revisionism here considering the moves BC has made.

Fact is he took some risks in order for a second star to pan out (Bogut type level), but the risks fell flat instead of panning out.

Traded for TJ - Ford was drafted as the best pure PG in the stacked '04 draft, showed the promise of being a top PG but had injury concerns which was the risk and came back to bite him in the butt.

Traded for JO - JO had a proven track record as an all-defensive team player and a consumate all-star coming back from injury. Another risk that didn't pan out.

Signed Turk - coming off his 2 best years as a pro, making it to the finals as 2nd option and was the coveted FA this past offseason. Who would have thought he'd turn this lazy after the an inept coaching staff couldn't figure out how to use him.

It definitely hasn't been for lack of trying on BCs behalf.

Well I'm glad you're happy about how hard BC has tried to get in a star, but I couldn't care less. His tenure and this team's success can ONLY be assessed based on results, not effort.

So, BC's efforts can be summed up as:

A+ for trying and
F for results

...but the sum of these two put together is still an F.

[Rhettmatic]

He is blaming Colangelo and his mismanagement and misallocation of resources into pieces that don't fit. That is where the real problem lies. Not Bosh. Getting rid of your best player on the roster but still retaining the architect of this group won't change a thing next year or in the future.

Cannot disagree here. The hate on Bosh is misplaced. If he bolts, the last 4 years of what Colangelo has done with this franchise was basically for nothing.

Yeah, guess that's always the way it goes.

I completely understand feeling angry at Bosh if you think he's dogging it. That makes sense to me -- it's why I've never been much of a fan of Andrea Bargnani.

But I can't understand the fans who will certainly hate on him if he leaves. Honest question: how many of you would stay here, if you were in his shoes?

I absolutely wouldn't, and I'm from here.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I'm not anywhere near his shoes, so I couldn't give an objective answer. Now, i've been critical, as I thought he lacked physical and mental toughness, and was not a good leader. And he didn't seem to have that extra gear for the end of games, but I don't hate him, I like him, I wouldn't boo him like VC get's boo'ed. I'd follow him and cheer him in the intro's. may boo him if he's at the line.

I don't know if he'll ever have the indv success he had here, but if he teams up with an elite player, he'll should do well. I really think if he leaves, he'll regret it. I like to think if he does leave, he's done enough for us to retire his number someday.

[J-Roc]

At some point it will sink into CB's head that he's a 2nd option. He'll either figure it out after he gets a max deal from us or before he gets a lower deal from a contender.

[Komodo]

Doesn't sound too good. Can't really blame him though.

If this turns out as bad as it sounds like it might, BC needs to be taken to the cleaners. There's no way MLSE can justify Bosh leaving for peanuts to the fans, all the while our team is saddled with bad contracts. The only way I'll be able to put a positive spin on it is if MLSE commits to a full rebuild through the draft.

They're already pissing off the fans and season ticket holders, so what are they worried about? Pissing them off even more? Yup, money talks.

This is going to be a helluva summer.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Well I'm glad you're happy about how hard BC has tried to get in a star, but I couldn't care less. His tenure and this team's success can ONLY be assessed based on results, not effort.

So, BC's efforts can be summed up as:

A+ for trying and
F for results

...but the sum of these two put together is still an F.

But that's how this league works. You mentioned Bogut (or Milwaukee's success), which Bogut couldn't stay healthy since he's been drafted up until this season, and they wouldn't be sniffing the playoffs without capturing lightning in a bottle by drafting Jennings (which by most GM accounts was an absolute coin toss). Lucky for them they came out on top this time.

Without taking these types of risks, NBA teams end up treadmilling. I'd rather see the risks being taken and failing since eventually ONE has to pan out sooner or later, than a team take no risk at all.

[Forza Barca]

Sounds like a change in tone to me as well.

Warriors Get:
Bosh

Raptors Get:
Mayo and Thabeet

Grizzlies Get:
Monta Ellis.

With a core of Bush, Curry + Biedriņš with a high draft pick next season it's a nice core for Warriors. With Bosh still being the man and perhaps contending soon. It's warm there too.

[panthermark]

I agree with this. He wants a contender, not just a playoff team. He clearly says the combinations and moves that happen will be a big factor. That means he wants a much better guy or guys next to him and that is not too likely in TOR with Turk, Bargs, and Jose not looking like attractive trade assets for a real star.

He will get his money in a S&T cause that is how the league works. BC will say something is better than nothing and won't want to piss off the agents who have long memories.

That right there is the truth....

I'm glad someone see through all of the BS.

ANYTHING (outside of bad contracts) is better than Bosh walking for nothing.....and that includes a $16.6M TPA. And yes, agents...especially an agency as large as the one Bosh works with....do have long memories...and lots of clout.

[canguy20m]

hes still a bitch.

End of story.

He may be putting up gaudy numbers but he will never be the main piece on a championship team. In his prime KG couldn't lead anyone to the finals. For anyone to expect Bosh (with much less intensity) to do that is completely unreasonable.

Speaking of unreasonable see Chris Bosh's contact at the start of next year. If he gets the max he'll cripple whatever franchise shells out for him. I hope to God it's not the Craps.

you can't compare a perennial 45-51 win team in the west to what the raptors have been with Bosh at the helm. the way garnett played in his prime i'm confident that in his prime he could lead a team to 50 wins in the east without a legitimate second option.

[B-B]

I'm fine with the idea of Bosh leaving at the end of the season. It's become pretty clear he's not a true #1 option on a contending team or a franchise player worthy of a max contract. Continuing to build around Bosh isn't getting this team any closer to where they want to be (that is if they want to be more tan a 35-40 win team). For a while there it looks like he was about to take the next step and actually LEAD this team somewhere, but once again dropped back to his usual self of the last 5 years. A 22-10 PF that plays D when he wants to and hasn't proven to be much of a leader or a clutch scorer.

Bosh is a good guy. I hope he goes to a contender where some pressure can be taken off his shoulders and he can succeed as a #2 scoring option. It's obvious that's not happening here.

[Ari_Emanuel]

It's a given fact that Bosh is going to be out of here next season. Change in Attitude or not, this season and the last should have been a big enough clue for people to see that. Bosh loves the city and it's not the City that he's leaving, it's the team. People can be mad about him leaving, but the ones you should really be mad at is the entire team—the entire staff. You can't blame a guy for wanting to win.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Seriously, if YOU were Chris Bosh, what would YOU do?

- The centre you'll be playing along side for the next 5 years is not a centre, and cannot be relied upon
- Your GM coddles said "centre" and will do anything to try to make him a star
- Your star FA wing is a fat, lazy, irresponsible fraud
- Your coach has no spine
- Your starting lineup could not match up athletically with any d-league team

We're both better off parting ways right now.

[TheMainEvent]

I assume Bosh is just saying whatever he can to the media that wont hurt his stock or his image.

He's not being very modest, but he's not being very cocky, either. He's showing he's confident, but also about winning and being a team player. He wants max money, but if it means winning, he's willing to take a bit of a hit.

It's what everybody does. It's not THAT much different than James saying he wants to be on a contender, wanting to stay with Cleveland, then wearing clothes promoting NY, and spending a lot of time in NY, etc. The only difference between what Bosh is saying and how James acts is that James doesn't care about any modesty, heh.

[Ari_Emanuel]

hes still a bitch. He can talk all he wants about contending but this is 2 seasons in a row where HES broken down. At some point he has to look at himself and hold himself accountable because right now hes deferring blame when really the last 2 games are a direct result of him losing it for us.

So what if he "lost" those last 2 games for us? Just last week he won a game for us (Atlanta) and he's done that more than a few times this year. If we had won those last two games would that really change your perspective of our situation? Even if we were holding on to the 8th seed comfortably, that still would not be enough. We were expecting to be comepetig for the 4th of 5th seed this year but we are not, and its not because of Bosh's poor efforts, its because his $10 mil a year teammates have not been bringing it night in and night out. If anything, their piss poor efforts are the reason he isn't giving it his all anymore and who could blame him? Why would you risk injury for this squad?

[Ari_Emanuel]

I assume Bosh is just saying whatever he can to the media that wont hurt his stock or his image.

He's not being very modest, but he's not being very cocky, either. He's showing he's confident, but also about winning and being a team player. He wants max money, but if it means winning, he's willing to take a bit of a hit.

It's what everybody does. It's not THAT much different than James saying he wants to be on a contender, wanting to stay with Cleveland, then wearing clothes promoting NY, and spending a lot of time in NY, etc. The only difference between what Bosh is saying and how James acts is that James doesn't care about any modesty, heh.

James is a basketball GOD he can say whatever he wants. lol