Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

ty123 · Post #401 » by **ty123** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:03 pm

fredericklove wrote:
ty123 wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
He's not a superstar by any means, there less than 10 of those in the league. He has that Josh Smith, Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay borderline all-star talent. I think MKG will be regarded as a snub a few times in his career and maybe make it once or twice.

I don't know. He looks like he has all the tools to be a superstar.

It's funny ty, you made it look as if you got credibility when you say Barnes shouldn't be drafted top 3 because of this and that. And now you babbled about MKG being a superstar material? I'm a huge fan of MKG but you had me LOL about his "superstar" talent. SMH

But MKG does have superstar talent. Long arms, great handles, passing, ability to play in the paint and can be very good 2 way player.

Post #402 » by **Marvin!** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:04 pm

some of you guys are going way overboard in your 'scouting' - like seriously.

Post #403 » by **Marvin!** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:08 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Marvin! wrote:i have watched him, quite a bit actually

Then you know what everyone is talking about, so what's the problem? Just hate....

no hate at all. i think he'll be a good player - but not a star because he just doesn't have star quality. But people seem convinced that he is a star in the making... thats what i don't get. Although it shouldn't surprise me around here with so many nba2k experts :roll:

Hate has nothing to do with it - saying 'hater' is what small-minded retards use as a 'defense' when they can't formulate a thought or opinion to counter another

ty123 · Post #404 » by **ty123** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:11 pm

ash_k wrote:6'8 Barnes 6'11 wingspan as a pure shooter vs 6'7 MKG 6'10 Wingspan slasher.

Worst case BArnes is a catch and shoot assassin at the next level
Worst case MKG energy player off the bench.

Which one would you rather risk on with a high pick?

Worst Case Perry Jones?

Anthony Magic Randolph. A guy who can't even buy minutes on the Timberwolves.

DarkKnight · Post #405 » by **DarkKnight** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:12 pm

The Gilchrist-Barnes debate can really come down to what you believe translates to the NBA and what you believe can be learned once you're there. Or, if you prefer: Is it easier to develop a jumper, or is it easier to learn to be effective outside of the jumper?

In this case: Both have good size for their position. Both are regarded as terrific people and hard workers off the court. Both are good athletes but neither is a Lebron type freak. Both are good defenders though in different ways. The main difference comes in their attack modes. Barnes is surgical with the jumper as the main focal point, with the drive as something that is built as they are forced to respect the jump shot. Gilchrist is manic, slashing hard and attacking the rim but without the jumper to fall back on if the defense can take away the slash.

It's tough - some energy guys can come to the league and find a jumper, while some don't ever get the hang of it. Guys with good jumpers can sometimes parlay that into an all-around assault while others become primarily jump-shooting secondary scorers.

Personally, I'm attracted to the guys who can shoot it (provided the rest of the package is still above average). I'm not talking JJ Redick types who are standstill shooters and nothing more, but more the Joe Johnson/Paul Pierce types who burn you from midrange/deep to set up the drive. I just feel like I've seen too many guys come through who were going to "develop the jumper" and just never really got there. It's anecdotal to be sure, but thats why there are debates on this sort of thing. It's not like Gilchrist is Kemba-level bad at being efficient offensively, and it's not like Barnes is only a shooter, so it's just a tough call. At this point most would give Barnes the edge because of his all-around polish but MKG is a bundle of talent as well. I'd love to see him (form a non-raptors perspective) play one more year in college as a go-to guy if Lamb/Davis/Jones all leave.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #406 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:12 pm

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:6'8 Barnes 6'11 wingspan as a pure shooter vs 6'7 MKG 6'10 Wingspan slasher.

Worst case BArnes is a catch and shoot assassin at the next level
Worst case MKG energy player off the bench.

Which one would you rather risk on with a high pick?

What is that like Jason Kapono versus Corey Brewer? I'll take the TPE.

Comparing Brewer to MKG is pretty good
But Kapono to Barnes, cmon now..

Don't disrespect Harrison like that

You said worst case

Marvin! wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Marvin! wrote:i have watched him, quite a bit actually

Then you know what everyone is talking about, so what's the problem? Just hate....

no hate at all. i think he'll be a good player - but not a star because he just doesn't have star quality. But people seem convinced that he is a star in the making... thats what i don't get. Although it shouldn't surprise me around here with so many nba2k experts

Hate has nothing to do with it - saying 'hater' is what small-minded retards use as a 'defense' when they can't formulate a thought or opinion to counter another

Actually, small-minded retards who can't formulate a thought or opinion as a counter talk out of their a** in regards to something they know nothing about, say, Jeremy Lamb for instance.

fredericklove · Post #407 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:13 pm

ty123 wrote:But MKG does have superstar talent. Long arms, great handles, passing, ability to play in the paint and can be very good 2 way player.

I call that all around talent, not superstar talent.

ty123 · Post #408 » by **ty123** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:17 pm

fredericklove wrote:
ty123 wrote:But MKG does have superstar talent. Long arms, great handles, passing, ability to play in the paint and can be very good 2 way player.

I call that all around talent, not superstar talent.

If he puts the time in he can be a 20+ ppg scorer.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #409 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:18 pm

Anybody see even a little Ron Artest's game in MKG?

Post #410 » by **Marvin!** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:18 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Actually, small-minded retards who can't formulate a thought or opinion as a counter talk out of their a** in regards to something they know nothing about, say, Jeremy Lamb for instance.

now you aren't even making sense - which makes sense based on your assessment of jeremy lamb, among other potential draftees...

Marlo Stanfield · Post #411 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:20 pm

Marvin! wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Actually, small-minded retards who can't formulate a thought or opinion as a counter talk out of their a** in regards to something they know nothing about, say, Jeremy Lamb for instance.

now you aren't even making sense - which makes sense based on your assessment of jeremy lamb, among other potential draftees...

I'm not making sense when you're the one bringing Jeremy Lamb down with no reason whatsoever other than your opinion. Ok bud...

fredericklove · Post #412 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:22 pm

Marvin! wrote:no hate at all. i think he'll be a good player - but not a star because he just doesn't have star quality. But people seem convinced that he is a star in the making... thats what i don't get. Although it shouldn't surprise me around here with so many nba2k experts

Hate has nothing to do with it - saying 'hater' is what small-minded retards use as a 'defense' when they can't formulate a thought or opinion to counter another

Lamb isn't my favorite prospect but other than Davis, if there's one guy who persuades me the most about that star quality potential in the draft. I think it'd be him (Lamb). He even has more star quality potential than Harry Barnes, that's coming out from the proclaimed Harrison Barnes' number one fan. His skillset is probably the most NBA-suited, the handle/shot-making ability and some wingspan actually has an impact on a player's game and I say his wingspan will help him alot on defense and on the glass.

Post #413 » by **Marvin!** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:23 pm

ohhh, i get it

so saying 'I just see enough in him to call him a star' is equal to saying 'he's the scrubiest scrub who ever scrubbed a toilet' in your mind.

ok - i'll start talking (or typing as the case may be) a little slower for you in future

ash_k · Post #414 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:23 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:Anybody see even a little Ron Artest's game in MKG?

I personally don't.

Artest was always powerful mechanical wing even at St JOhns.

MKG is sleeker, more flexible in his game and much more of an athletic freak.

fredericklove · Post #415 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:23 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Actually, small-minded retards who can't formulate a thought or opinion as a counter talk out of their a** in regards to something they know nothing about, say, Jeremy Lamb for instance.

Hey! Why did you steal my favorite word? :lol:

Marlo Stanfield · Post #416 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:25 pm

Marvin! wrote:ohhh, i get it

so saying 'I just see enough in him to call him a star' is equal to saying 'he's the scrubiest scrub who ever scrubbed a toilet' in your mind.

ok - i'll start talking (or typing as the case may be) a little slower for you in future

And you used to be a Mod, lulz...

fredericklove wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Actually, small-minded retards who can't formulate a thought or opinion as a counter talk out of their a** in regards to something they know nothing about, say, Jeremy Lamb for instance.

Hey! Why did you steal my favorite word?

It's quality vocabulary

ty123 · Post #417 » by **ty123** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:25 pm

How does Bradley Beal compare to a freshman Lamb and freshman Barnes? He would easily dominate if he stayed another year.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #418 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:30 pm

ty123 wrote:How does Bradley Beal compare to a freshman Lamb and freshman Barnes? He would easily dominate if he stayed another year.

Beal seems like the closest thing to a safe pick in this draft.

fredericklove · Post #419 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:32 pm

ty123 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
ty123 wrote:But MKG does have superstar talent. Long arms, great handles, passing, ability to play in the paint and can be very good 2 way player.

I call that all around talent, not superstar talent.

If he puts the time in he can be a 20+ ppg scorer.

I love his defense/rebounding/court vision/heart/desires, but even I have doubts about his offense. He excels most in transitions and he needs to work on his shots..., without those aspects, I don't see him avg 20+ ppg in the NBA. Also, 20 ppg or not, that isn't the most important thing to his game. I rather see him have 6+ reb, 4-5 ast, 1 blk and 2+ stl, and being a lock-down defender, if he can avg 16-17 ppg in the nba that's a bonus imo cos scoring is not part of his absolute strength. See all these traits I just mentioned? That's a borderline all-star in the making, not superstar. The only one with near stats I can call a "superstar" (though not on Lebron/KD level) is Brandon Roy but even his offensive ability is superb along with the all-around stats. Overall, I don't see MKG with that type of offensive caliber.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #420 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37 pm

I'd put MKG's numbers right around there as well. He'll be one of the few players in the NBA who's a fantasy stud that doesn't shoot the lights out. 15-17ppg, 5-7rpg, 4-6apg, 1-2blk, 1-2stl

Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?