Nurse Intro Presser Thread (UPDATE: Stream link/2:30 PM EST)

[lebron stopper]

I'm just going to assume its too hard for you to understand my point or the concept of seeing how much he wants before making a decision so we don't overpay a backup point guard.

Fred has proven this season that he's worth about the $9 million per year that he's going to get. Not the same situation as Biyombo. I'm not sure why this upsets you so much.

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

What am I not getting?

That, according to you, VanVleet doesn't deserve the money he's going to get and he's going to suck once he gets his payday? Because the same thing happened with Biyombo, a completely different player in a totally different scenario?

Oh no, we might actually have to give the best and highest-impact players a raise in order to retain them. Again, why does it upset you so much that VanVleet will get the ~$9 million per year that he's worth?

Oh. I think I know why. Because you're cheap and you'd rather lose a promising young player in VanVleet for nothing than keep him for $9 million per year after he's proven to be a huge help for the Raptors this season. Because we let Biyombo walk and got away with it, that must mean we can also let VanVleet walk and still get away with it. Because that's totally the same thing. Amazing logic lmao.

ML$E and $hareholders would like to thank you for representing them on their behalf. For free.

[Johnny Bball]

Fred has proven this season that he's worth about the $9 million per year that he's going to get. Not the same situation as Biyombo. I'm not sure why this upsets you so much.

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

What am I not getting?

That, according to you, VanVleet doesn't deserve the money he's going to get and he's going to suck once he gets his payday? Because the same thing happened with Biyombo, a completely different player in a totally different scenario?

Oh no, we might actually have to give the best and highest-impact players a raise in order to retain them. Again, why does it upset you so much that VanVleet will get the ~$9 million per year that he's worth?

Oh. I think I know why. Because you're cheap and you'd rather lose a promising young player in VanVleet for nothing than keep him for $9 million per year after he's proven to be a huge help for the Raptors this season. Because we let Biyombo walk and got away with it, that must mean we can also let VanVleet walk and still get away with it. Because that's totally the same thing. Amazing logic lmao.

ML$E and $hareholders would like to thank you for representing them on their behalf. For free.

Nah, according to me, either you don’t even read posts or can’t do simple math in your head. You look like you’re busy rofl-ing some bs you made up, so I’ll just end this here.

[StopitLeo]

I read into it that DeMar should either be traded or he needs to change more of his game. We did see more threes and more assists but what was glaringly missing was he doesn’t play uptempo. He never pushes the ball up and always lets the defence set before making his decisions. Was so frustrating to watch. Kyle was the total opposite. That’s why Nurse loves him so much and I’m sure his meeting recently with Kyle in Toronto when really well. I can’t wait to see Kyle’s scoring average to be back in the 20s and assists to go up while keeping his TS% high. In all of Nurses interviews he has always referred to Kyle first when talking about his team’s “stars”

I see Nurse taking the ball out of DeMar's hands on offense and having him play off the ball.

[StopitLeo]

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

I think your numbers on FVV are wrong.

Fred is an Early Bird free agent. His max starting salary is 105% of the league estimated average salary, which is likely to be just over $8M. His contract has to be a minimum of 2 years, max 4 years, eligible for 8% raises. So, at full length and max raises we are talking about 4 years $34M.

[And1Skip]

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

I think your numbers on FVV are wrong.

Fred is an Early Bird free agent. His max starting salary is 105% of the league estimated average salary, which is likely to be just over $8M. His contract has to be a minimum of 2 years, max 4 years, eligible for 8% raises. So, at full length and max raises we are talking about 4 years $34M.

I believe that’s only the max the Raptors can offer as they are over the cap. Other teams with caproom can offer up to the max that he otherwise is eligible for with less than 3 years of service but the Arenas provision would kick in such that if the Raptors march the first two years will be around the mid-level (same as Early bird) but the remaining years will be heavily backloaded. See Tyler Johnson contract.

[Johnny Bball]

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

I think your numbers on FVV are wrong.

Fred is an Early Bird free agent. His max starting salary is 105% of the league estimated average salary, which is likely to be just over $8M. His contract has to be a minimum of 2 years, max 4 years, eligible for 8% raises. So, at full length and max raises we are talking about 4 years $34M.

What I read is he can be either and early bird is the 4/9 there or arenas clause and 2/9 + 2/26 (approx). Sorry this dragged out. I figured this was a given already.

[binjumper]

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

I think your numbers on FVV are wrong.

Fred is an Early Bird free agent. His max starting salary is 105% of the league estimated average salary, which is likely to be just over $8M. His contract has to be a minimum of 2 years, max 4 years, eligible for 8% raises. So, at full length and max raises we are talking about 4 years $34M.

I believe that’s only the max the Raptors can offer as they are over the cap. Other teams with caproom can offer up to the max that he otherwise is eligible for with less than 3 years of service but the Arenas provision would kick in such that if the Raptors march the first two years will be around the mid-level (same as Early bird) but the remaining years will be heavily backloaded. See Tyler Johnson contract.

Other teams cannot offer more than what the raptors are capped at offering him.

[And1Skip]

I think your numbers on FVV are wrong.

Fred is an Early Bird free agent. His max starting salary is 105% of the league estimated average salary, which is likely to be just over $8M. His contract has to be a minimum of 2 years, max 4 years, eligible for 8% raises. So, at full length and max raises we are talking about 4 years $34M.

I believe that’s only the max the Raptors can offer as they are over the cap. Other teams with caproom can offer up to the max that he otherwise is eligible for with less than 3 years of service but the Arenas provision would kick in such that if the Raptors march the first two years will be around the mid-level (same as Early bird) but the remaining years will be heavily backloaded. See Tyler Johnson contract.

Other teams cannot offer more than what the raptors are capped at offering him.

So I guess the Arenas provision doesn't apply in this case from what you read about the rules?

https://moorebasketball.com/2016/06/21/how-it-works-the-gilbert-arenas-provision/

Also see how Tyler Johnson's contract was structured as he signed the offer sheet from Brooklyn but the Heat decided to match, but the mid-level was lower back then.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/tyler-johnson-15645/

[StopitLeo]

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

I think your numbers on FVV are wrong.

Fred is an Early Bird free agent. His max starting salary is 105% of the league estimated average salary, which is likely to be just over $8M. His contract has to be a minimum of 2 years, max 4 years, eligible for 8% raises. So, at full length and max raises we are talking about 4 years $34M.

What I read is he can be either and early bird is the 4/9 there or arenas clause and 2/9 + 2/26 (approx). Sorry this dragged out. I figured this was a given already.

My bad, I forgot about the backloading.

[lebron stopper]

Maybe I'm frustrated because you're not getting it and still arguing. And he's not just entitled to 9 million. Only the first year is the current MLE (or first two, can't recall). The Gilbert Arenas Rule applies. His max is 4/70 or something around there if someone wants to sign him to that as an RFA.

What am I not getting?

That, according to you, VanVleet doesn't deserve the money he's going to get and he's going to suck once he gets his payday? Because the same thing happened with Biyombo, a completely different player in a totally different scenario?

Oh no, we might actually have to give the best and highest-impact players a raise in order to retain them. Again, why does it upset you so much that VanVleet will get the ~$9 million per year that he's worth?

Oh. I think I know why. Because you're cheap and you'd rather lose a promising young player in VanVleet for nothing than keep him for $9 million per year after he's proven to be a huge help for the Raptors this season. Because we let Biyombo walk and got away with it, that must mean we can also let VanVleet walk and still get away with it. Because that's totally the same thing. Amazing logic lmao.

ML$E and $hareholders would like to thank you for representing them on their behalf. For free.

Nah, according to me, either you don’t even read posts or can’t do simple math in your head. You look like you’re busy rofl-ing some bs you made up, so I’ll just end this here.

Lol cool. Keep justifying to yourself why VanVleet is the next coming of Biyombo and why we shouldn't give him his money, or some hooha like that.


By the way, only eight teams have the average $18.6 million in cap space to fully backload VanVleet's contract like that.
- Phoenix (Brandon Knight)
- Houston (Chris Paul / James Harden)
- Dallas (Dennis Smith Jr. / JJ Barea)
- Sacramento (De'Aaron Fox / Frank Mason III)
- Atlanta (Dennis Schroder)
- Philadelphia (Markelle Fultz / Ben Simmons)
- Chicago (Kris Dunn / Jerian Grant)
- LA Lakers (Lonzo Ball)

Some more teams with some cap space who can try to backload VanVleet's contract, although not fully:
- Brooklyn (Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie / D'Angelo Russell)
- Orlando (Shelvin Mack / Trae Young, if he [almost certainly] falls to no. 6)

I hope you can figure out why these teams aren't lining up to backload VanVleet just to screw over the Raptors. Good luck!

[binjumper]

I believe that’s only the max the Raptors can offer as they are over the cap. Other teams with caproom can offer up to the max that he otherwise is eligible for with less than 3 years of service but the Arenas provision would kick in such that if the Raptors march the first two years will be around the mid-level (same as Early bird) but the remaining years will be heavily backloaded. See Tyler Johnson contract.

Other teams cannot offer more than what the raptors are capped at offering him.

So I guess the Arenas provision doesn't apply in this case from what you read about the rules?

https://moorebasketball.com/2016/06/21/how-it-works-the-gilbert-arenas-provision/

Also see how Tyler Johnson's contract was structured as he signed the offer sheet from Brooklyn but the Heat decided to match, but the mid-level was lower back then.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/tyler-johnson-15645/

FVV and the Arenas Rule

Early Bird Rights - Early Bird Rights allow you to either offer a player a 175% raise from the previous year or 105% the league average salary from the previous year whichever is greater. The Estimated Average Salary is currently 7.84m and they can offer 2-4 years and 8% raises on it. This is a max offer of 4/36.89m. Should FVV want more than 4/36.89m he would have to go for option 2.

Gilbert Arenas Rule - To help teams keep their undrafted and 2nd round draft picks the 2006 CBA limited the amount that teams can offer to 2 year RFAs so that the matching team always has a possibility to match. The first year salary is at a maximum equal to the non-taxpayer MLE. FVV can get anywhere up to 4/74.6m from this option.

Either way the first 2 years of his contract are capped, but I really doubt a team is gonna throw 75mil to him.

Most likely he is gonna be back on the early bird rule.

Gilbert Arenas Rule is meant for stars, but you're correct in assuming the rule applies to him.

[And1Skip]

FVV and the Arenas Rule

Early Bird Rights - Early Bird Rights allow you to either offer a player a 175% raise from the previous year or 105% the league average salary from the previous year whichever is greater. The Estimated Average Salary is currently 7.84m and they can offer 2-4 years and 8% raises on it. This is a max offer of 4/36.89m. Should FVV want more than 4/36.89m he would have to go for option 2.

Gilbert Arenas Rule - To help teams keep their undrafted and 2nd round draft picks the 2006 CBA limited the amount that teams can offer to 2 year RFAs so that the matching team always has a possibility to match. The first year salary is at a maximum equal to the non-taxpayer MLE. FVV can get anywhere up to 4/74.6m from this option.

Either way the first 2 years of his contract are capped, but I really doubt a team is gonna throw 75mil to him.

Most likely he is gonna be back on the early bird rule.

Gilbert Arenas Rule is meant for stars, but you're correct in assuming the rule applies to him.

Was never meant to say whether the rule would be realistically applied for FVV but just wanted to make sure the limits are correct. If this was 2 years ago, I can definitely see a team offering a similar contract that Tyler Johnson got to FVV (avg of 12.5m per year). This off-sesaon there's limited number of teams with enough cap space and the need for a starting caliber PG.

[binjumper]

FVV and the Arenas Rule

Early Bird Rights - Early Bird Rights allow you to either offer a player a 175% raise from the previous year or 105% the league average salary from the previous year whichever is greater. The Estimated Average Salary is currently 7.84m and they can offer 2-4 years and 8% raises on it. This is a max offer of 4/36.89m. Should FVV want more than 4/36.89m he would have to go for option 2.

Gilbert Arenas Rule - To help teams keep their undrafted and 2nd round draft picks the 2006 CBA limited the amount that teams can offer to 2 year RFAs so that the matching team always has a possibility to match. The first year salary is at a maximum equal to the non-taxpayer MLE. FVV can get anywhere up to 4/74.6m from this option.

Either way the first 2 years of his contract are capped, but I really doubt a team is gonna throw 75mil to him.

Most likely he is gonna be back on the early bird rule.

Gilbert Arenas Rule is meant for stars, but you're correct in assuming the rule applies to him.

Was never meant to say whether the rule would be realistically applied for FVV but just wanted to make sure the limits are correct. If this was 2 years ago, I can definitely see a team offering a similar contract that Tyler Johnson got to FVV (avg of 12.5m per year). This off-sesaon there's limited number of teams with enough cap space and the need for a starting caliber PG.

Agreed. Gms are smarter today. They don't want bad contracts handicapping the team anymore.

[StopitLeo]

I believe that’s only the max the Raptors can offer as they are over the cap. Other teams with caproom can offer up to the max that he otherwise is eligible for with less than 3 years of service but the Arenas provision would kick in such that if the Raptors march the first two years will be around the mid-level (same as Early bird) but the remaining years will be heavily backloaded. See Tyler Johnson contract.

Other teams cannot offer more than what the raptors are capped at offering him.

So I guess the Arenas provision doesn't apply in this case from what you read about the rules?

https://moorebasketball.com/2016/06/21/how-it-works-the-gilbert-arenas-provision/

Also see how Tyler Johnson's contract was structured as he signed the offer sheet from Brooklyn but the Heat decided to match, but the mid-level was lower back then.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/tyler-johnson-15645/

No, the Arenas Provision does apply. Basically the provision prevents teams from offering an RFA a contract with a starting salary that their team cannot match because of a lack of cap space. Here is how it breaks down as best that I understand:

1) The provision specifies that the Year 1 salary cannot be bigger than the non-taxpayer mid-level so that the players current team can use the non-taxpayer mid-level exception to re-sign him.
2) Year 2 can have a maximum 5% raise over the starting salary.
3) Year 3 salary can start at whatever the maximum the player would have been eligible for if the Arenas Provision wasn't in place. For a player with 0-6 years of NBA experience that is equal to 25% of the salary cap.
4) The salary in year 4 can be 4.5% higher or lower than year 3.

So, FVV could get:

Year 1 = $9M (non-tax payer MLE)
Year 2 = $9M + 5% raise
Year 3 = $25M (25% of cap - assume cap is around $100M)
Year 4 = $25M + 4.5% raise

The average salary of the total is how much cap space a team must have to make that offer - that would be around $17M. I highly doubt any team is going to use $17M in cap space to sign FVV. He can still get a backloaded offer for less but after what happened with guys like Tyler Johnson I suspect teams will be wary of offering those deals. I predict FVV returns for 3y/$27M with a 4th year option.

[tb40]

https://www.tsn.ca/video/nurse-my-style-is-to-maximize-positions-our-defensive-style-will-change~1418334

He says he's going to teach the guys techniques on how to push, grab and hold, basically fouling without getting caught, at the 8:40 mark.

I like it.

[WuTang_CMB]

I’m so sick on the negative idiots on this forum.. stop posting here.. the mods need to start issuing suspensions to those who constantly complain.

i know buncha morons

critizing demar is fair

but when u start bashing masai, gtfoutta here morons