2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[goinrogue]

LOL philly would ask for Pascal for Simmons not Kyle
Come on. To be honest it wouldn’t surprise me to see Pascal get shopped in the off-season. He seemed to have some locker room issues that bubbled to the surface which the team doesn’t take well. He’s also pretty inconsistent. His value should be high enough to get back a good package though.

I don't think he meant trading Simmons.

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You’re right I did read that wrong, my mistake. I did mean what I said about Pascal being traded in the off-season though. I don’t agree at all that he’s considered part of the core moving forward. I think he’s 1 foot out the door personally.

[gerrit4]

Drummond+ for Harden wouldn't have been beyond the realm of possibility. OKC took Steve Adams the following draft, so Presti at that time liked a big, uh, big.

The chatter I specifically do remember was more about JV for Harden, who was finally coming over that summer from Lithuania. If we had drafted Drummond, then JV would have been available for trade.

Yes, BC was GM. Too bad we didn't have a Jayson Tatum. We could have traded him for a Markelle Fultz.

the trade that OKC wanted was
jonas, who was drafted 5th overall a year ago but was playing overseas, 8th pick that year (that became ross) and jose calderon

ahhh yes, i knew I remembered something along the lines, but I was mixing up draft years. I thought Val and Dummond came in the same draft, but it was Ross who we skipped on drummond for.

Drummond + Jose + future pick would've been better than what they got for Harden in Kmart + pick. Val + 8 + Jose did seem like a lot at the time, looking back we should've jumped on that. I was very very very high on Val tho and so was BC.

It's probably because Jonas & Drummond had the same rookie season (Jonas stayed in Europe for a year and played really well), so we didn't want to have two rookie Cs at the same time.

At the time, I thought that we should have still drafted Drummond, and because of their talent, they would have figured it out. Knowing how the game has evolved since then, I was obviously incredibly wrong. They would have been terrible together.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

FVV for Mccollum

[bballsparkin]

FVV for Mccollum

That's interesting. I bet Blazers fan do not like. Yet he's a better fit with Lillard. From my perspective I'm not sure. McCollum can score. But he's another shortie.

[PhilBlackson]

FVV for Mccollum

That's interesting. I bet Blazers fan do not like. Yet he's a better fit with Lillard. From my perspective I'm not sure. McCollum can score. But he's another shortie.

Little to no chance POR would make that swap without at minimum a draft pick and I don't see Raps leaving Flynn with no backup to run the show.

[tecumseh18]

FVV for Mccollum

That's interesting. I bet Blazers fan do not like. Yet he's a better fit with Lillard. From my perspective I'm not sure. McCollum can score. But he's another shortie.

Little to no chance POR would make that swap without at minimum a draft pick and I don't see Raps leaving Flynn with no backup to run the show.

Blazers don't want to get smaller. If they bring back Norm, they'd want him to play his natural position at the 2.

Portland would suggest CJ for OG. That's an easy "no" for the Raps. But that's the type of player Portland would want.

[Morris_Shatford]

From a talent perspective;
FVV for McCollum may work because FVV potentially suits Dame better and McCollum provides a lot of shooting but would most certainly need Lowry back to make this work or a more seasoned PG beside him.

I am also sure that Blazers value him way more and would like want more which is where it becomes a non-starter for me.
Not because I don't feel McCollum is talented but based on where we are I am not sure if we want to be paying a guy who is turning 30 what he is going to make for the next three seasons given our potential more "youthful" direction.

If we think there is a lot of hate for how much Siakam makes for what he does on the floor just wait till Raps fans start weighting McCollum's 31m, 33m 36m remaining on that deal after this season.

[alpngso]

Mccollum for OG, who hangs up the phone?

[Raptors Realtor]

Mccollum for OG, who hangs up the phone?

Raps do... Above average 2-way SF with elite d are harder to come by then above average 3pt shooting guards, not to mention CJ makes 50% higher salary then OG.

[Morris_Shatford]

Mccollum for OG, who hangs up the phone?

The Raps.
The age thing is huge but the money thing is also huge.
If the Raps are trading a 23 year old OG I would imagine its part of a package for more of a difference maker.

Don't get me wrong, McCollum is great but given the direction of the team I am not sure if a guy who will be 30 next season is the route they would want to take.

[niQ]

Mccollum for OG, who hangs up the phone?

The Raps.
The age thing is huge but the money thing is also huge.
If the Raps are trading a 23 year old OG I would imagine its part of a package for more of a difference maker.

Don't get me wrong, McCollum is great but given the direction of the team I am not sure if a guy who will be 30 next season is the route they would want to take.

Agreed. With the age/money thing, and also with his impact on defense, OG might be the closest thing to untouchable right now.

[Blood Orange]

Mccollum for OG, who hangs up the phone?

[h4rrison]

From a talent perspective;
FVV for McCollum may work because FVV potentially suits Dame better and McCollum provides a lot of shooting but would most certainly need Lowry back to make this work or a more seasoned PG beside him.

I am also sure that Blazers value him way more and would like want more which is where it becomes a non-starter for me.
Not because I don't feel McCollum is talented but based on where we are I am not sure if we want to be paying a guy who is turning 30 what he is going to make for the next three seasons given our potential more "youthful" direction.

If we think there is a lot of hate for how much Siakam makes for what he does on the floor just wait till Raps fans start weighting McCollum's 31m, 33m 36m remaining on that deal after this season.

CJ is the better player IMO. He makes more which is why this trade is fairly reasonable but why do you think Fred is a better fit with Dame?

I think the opposite. CJ is taller. Better offensive player and 3P shooter. Fred is pretty undersized and Dame is already only about 6' so why would Fred be better? His slight stronger defense doesn't outweigh the rest imo.

[billy_hoyle]

With the Celtics front office shake up, if we get the fourth pick... Can we trade it for Jaylen Brown?

Baynes, Hood and the 4th

Lowry, FVV, Flynn
Brown, GTJ, Harris
OG, Watson, Bembry
Siakam, Boucher
MLE, Birch (BAE), Gillespie
+2 2nds

[Morris_Shatford]

From a talent perspective;
FVV for McCollum may work because FVV potentially suits Dame better and McCollum provides a lot of shooting but would most certainly need Lowry back to make this work or a more seasoned PG beside him.

I am also sure that Blazers value him way more and would like want more which is where it becomes a non-starter for me.
Not because I don't feel McCollum is talented but based on where we are I am not sure if we want to be paying a guy who is turning 30 what he is going to make for the next three seasons given our potential more "youthful" direction.

If we think there is a lot of hate for how much Siakam makes for what he does on the floor just wait till Raps fans start weighting McCollum's 31m, 33m 36m remaining on that deal after this season.

CJ is the better player IMO. He makes more which is why this trade is fairly reasonable but why do you think Fred is a better fit with Dame?

I think the opposite. CJ is taller. Better offensive player and 3P shooter. Fred is pretty undersized and Dame is already only about 6' so why would Fred be better? His slight stronger defense doesn't outweigh the rest imo.

I apologize for not being more clear;
CJ is the better player I don't think there is much of a debate there.

My point was more along the lines of I don't think the Blazer would do FVV + Salary Filler for CJ straight up exactly for that reason, there is likely another asset going along with that package potentially and that is where I have the issue.

I don't think the Raps are a place where they are looking to add older players by moving draft assets or younger players unless you can add "that guy" so adding CJ who turn 30 next season doesn't appear to mesh with the either rebuild or amalgamate assets for a star approach we are all theorizing is the Raps potential direction moving forward.

CJ is a guy who is best suited to go to a great team as a second or third option;
Given our current direction and situation I am not sure if paying CJ and Siakam around 65 - 70m to be our 1A & 1B puts us in a position to succeed IMO.

We may be better short term but I am not sure that team is THAT much better.

[h4rrison]

From a talent perspective;
FVV for McCollum may work because FVV potentially suits Dame better and McCollum provides a lot of shooting but would most certainly need Lowry back to make this work or a more seasoned PG beside him.

I am also sure that Blazers value him way more and would like want more which is where it becomes a non-starter for me.
Not because I don't feel McCollum is talented but based on where we are I am not sure if we want to be paying a guy who is turning 30 what he is going to make for the next three seasons given our potential more "youthful" direction.

If we think there is a lot of hate for how much Siakam makes for what he does on the floor just wait till Raps fans start weighting McCollum's 31m, 33m 36m remaining on that deal after this season.

CJ is the better player IMO. He makes more which is why this trade is fairly reasonable but why do you think Fred is a better fit with Dame?

I think the opposite. CJ is taller. Better offensive player and 3P shooter. Fred is pretty undersized and Dame is already only about 6' so why would Fred be better? His slight stronger defense doesn't outweigh the rest imo.

I apologize for not being more clear;
CJ is the better player I don't think there is much of a debate there.

My point was more along the lines of I don't think the Blazer would do FVV + Salary Filler for CJ straight up exactly for that reason, there is likely another asset going along with that package potentially and that is where I have the issue.

I don't think the Raps are a place where they are looking to add older players by moving draft assets or younger players unless you can add "that guy" so adding CJ who turn 30 next season doesn't appear to mesh with the either rebuild or amalgamate assets for a star approach we are all theorizing is the Raps potential direction moving forward.

CJ is a guy who is best suited to go to a great team as a second or third option;
Given our current direction and situation I am not sure if paying CJ and Siakam around 65 - 70m to be our 1A & 1B puts us in a position to succeed IMO.

Gotcha, I agree with this. CJ doesn't fit our timeline even though he's only a few years older than our core guys. Preferably, I think we continue to build and if we do want to get some more veteran leadership then I'd resign Lowry.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Mccollum for OG, who hangs up the phone?

if it was OG in his rookie year, sure. but now that we have seen him developing, it would be a shame to not see it through.

[sogood]

With the Celtics front office shake up, if we get the fourth pick... Can we trade it for Jaylen Brown?

Baynes, Hood and the 4th

Lowry, FVV, Flynn
Brown, GTJ, Harris
OG, Watson, Bembry
Siakam, Boucher
MLE, Birch (BAE), Gillespie
+2 2nds

24 year old two way star who's averaged 25/6/3 on 48/40 shooting.... yeah no chance in hell the Celtics do this.

[billy_hoyle]

With the Celtics front office shake up, if we get the fourth pick... Can we trade it for Jaylen Brown?

Baynes, Hood and the 4th

Lowry, FVV, Flynn
Brown, GTJ, Harris
OG, Watson, Bembry
Siakam, Boucher
MLE, Birch (BAE), Gillespie
+2 2nds

24 year old two way star who's averaged 25/6/3 on 48/40 shooting.... yeah no chance in hell the Celtics do this.

Do they do it for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick?

It saves them money to attack FA.

[Spida888]

With the Celtics front office shake up, if we get the fourth pick... Can we trade it for Jaylen Brown?

Baynes, Hood and the 4th

Lowry, FVV, Flynn
Brown, GTJ, Harris
OG, Watson, Bembry
Siakam, Boucher
MLE, Birch (BAE), Gillespie
+2 2nds

24 year old two way star who's averaged 25/6/3 on 48/40 shooting.... yeah no chance in hell the Celtics do this.

Do they do it for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick?

It saves them money to attack FA.

Yeah I'm guessing Boston won't do it because Brown is pretty legit on a good contract, and despite the potential of a top 4 pick, it can still be a bust.

If the raps have the option to pick Cade/Green, I probably wouldn't do it for the Raps even for Brown. As good as Brown is I don't think he'll be a top 10 player, and we need those to win a championship.