PG: Scottie overwhelms Celtics

[YogurtProducer]

You’re initial comeback again was super flawed so you’re gonna resort to an ad hominem… fvv was garbage and unplayable the first 2 playoff series… he brought nothing to the table everyone and their mother saw it, people were clamouring for nurse to play someone different even us commentators were questioning why nurse wasn’t using someone different… kawhi a miracle shot saved our season and in a parallel universe the sixers beat us and fvv and nurse get flamed for the stupidity… again thank god for kawhi that we moved on and fvv redeemed himself by going berserk the next few rounds…

Number one that doesn’t change that he’s still a super flawed player as most people are finally coming around to now. Number two you’re somehow arguing that I was wrong that someone else should’ve been getting fvvs minutes during the sixers and Orlando series because he brought absolutely nothing to the table especially against philly where their size was a problem for him. That’s a terrible argument and does not disprove anything I originally said. Like I said I’ll trust my player assessments because they also happen to be the more sound and objective analysis. It just takes people a few years to realize, but like I said you can keep coming at me. I’m still here. You’ll eventually agree with what I’m saying 3 years later and still pretend I’m delusional and a hater and come up with new reasons why Idk what I’m talking about even though it goes against better judgement.

You’ve been writing this same trash for 2 years now and you’re no more right today than you were when you wrote it the first time.

In what way. Instead of calling it trash do me a favour and break down exactly what I said is wrong and why. Prove it with some examples please. Thanks.

It seems this is all most people on this board know how to do when they disagree with something. Prove me wrong or don’t reply. Otherwise it’s your opinion that’s trash.

In case you still don’t know what you’re supposed to be arguing against, I’ll sum it up:

“Fvv was unplayable the first two series, and someone else should’ve taken his minutes especially against the sixers where the matchups were not in his favour.”

Go ahead tell me why that’s wrong.

99% if your Problem is your posts read like verbal diarrhea and there’s zero cohesion to anything.

It just is mindless rambling

[RaptorNews]

Scottie Barnes just outplayed Jason Tatum 2 games into his NBA career

[pingpongrac]

You’re initial comeback again was super flawed so you’re gonna resort to an ad hominem… fvv was garbage and unplayable the first 2 playoff series… he brought nothing to the table everyone and their mother saw it, people were clamouring for nurse to play someone different even us commentators were questioning why nurse wasn’t using someone different… kawhi a miracle shot saved our season and in a parallel universe the sixers beat us and fvv and nurse get flamed for the stupidity… again thank god for kawhi that we moved on and fvv redeemed himself by going berserk the next few rounds…

Number one that doesn’t change that he’s still a super flawed player as most people are finally coming around to now. Number two you’re somehow arguing that I was wrong that someone else should’ve been getting fvvs minutes during the sixers and Orlando series because he brought absolutely nothing to the table. That’s a terrible argument and does not disprove anything I originally said. Like I said I’ll trust my player assessments because they also happen to be the more sound and objective analysis. It just takes people a few years to realize, but like I said you can keep coming at me. I’m still here. You’ll eventually agree with what I’m saying 3 years later and still pretend I’m delusional and a hater and come up with new reasons why Idk what I’m talking about even though it goes against better judgement.

My initial argument wasnt super flawed at all.

Dude, you wanted to bench VanVleet in the playoffs for Jeremy Lin. Nothing else needs to be said here.

This is how people who have no comeback argue. One liner bazinga statements. Don’t let your hate for Jeremy lin cloud your better judgement. He would’ve been better than fvv the first two series. At the very least there’s no way he could’ve been worse. That’s how bad your boi was. Nurse was too stubborn and in love with him to try something different. Just like how posters on this board are so Infatuared with certain players that they fail to see their limitations.

You're on a roll with the bad takes tonight. FVV would have been the reason we lost against the Sixers? The guy that played 17 MPG? We were outscored by a whopping 2 PPG in those 17 MPG that FVV played against the Sixers. You know who had an ever worse impact against the Sixers? Powell played 11 MPG and we were outscored by 3 PPG in those minutes against the Sixers.

And you wanted Lin to take FVV's minutes because of what? All of his playoff success when he scored 10 PPG on 49 TS% through his first 3 playoff runs? Or when he scored 7 PPG on 46 TS% during the 18/19 season with us? Lin was also a far inferior defender.

You have always had a ridiculous hate for FVV and you've let it cloud your judgement for way too long as that other poster mentioned. Remember when you continually bashed Casey/Nurse for playing FVV over Delon? FVV went on to make an impact on a Championship team then put up 18.5/4/6.5 the next two seasons while Delon moved between 5 different teams (Memphis, Dallas, Detroit, Sacramento and Atlanta) and has been nothing but a solid bench piece aside from a 5 or 6 game stretch at the end of the 18/19 season.

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[pingpongrac]

I am not sure if it is the new role or the offseason "level up."

I honestly hate the offseason work that these guys do sometimes. They come into the new year trying to do too much because they expanded their handle or learned some creative ways to get their shot off.

OG's strength is his strength. The kid is 245 lbs at least and he should be bullying his way to the rim, not trying to do Harden stepbacks. Let Barnes and Siakam handle the ball a bit and OG do his work inside a bit more. The jumper will come, but he has to get back to basics.

Og been trying. He is bullying people. In fact he’s so physical that he’s literally running into them and pushing them with his off hand.

That’s the problem though. He just doesnt have the savvy or composure or coordination to really finish in the paint consistently. He’s strong when he can gather and go up with two hands. But he’s telegraphed in his movements. It’s easy to see what he’s gonna do he has no craftiness or touch inside, every time I see him go up I know it’s getting blocked or it’s a brick.

But you’re right he shouldn’t be trying harden setbacks consistently either. So where does that leave him? Catch and shoot 3s, cutting, putbacks, maybe the occasional drive downhill off a handoff. But I just don’t trust his awareness. He’s a bull in a China shop… he’ll either bulldoze right through you or just run into you and force up an awkward shot and get blocked.

Yup. He isn't that coordinated and misses that offensive awareness at times. I was hoping this would be his Jaylen Brown growth year, but got to give him some time. He looked better in preseason so I think we just have to ride out the awkwardness. He seems like he is overthinking everything.

Honestly, this team is mostly ugly so far. The offensive is clunky, and guys are not even getting much in the way of open shots. Once they settle into how they want to play, I'd expect OG to be a major impact. He might not need to be a 20 PPG scorer for thsi team to win. This is a depth team.

I'd be interested to see the stats because I've actually thought the opposite for the most part. We've had a ton of good shots and layups (especially in the first game) that were missed with minimal coverage. Against the Wizards, we were 2/9 on wide open 3FGA (with OG, FVV and Dragic accounting for 8) and 4/20 on open 3FGA (with all 20 coming from good shooters). When your ~40% shooters are combining to shoot 21% on good looks, your offence is going to look a lot worse than it actually is. We've generated pretty solid looks so far, all things considered.

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[junot111]

give some more time to OG, he has it and can do what he is trying to do well.. we saw it in the preseason where he looked kawhi-esque, will take time

in what universe did OG look like Kawhi

[Dalek]

this is what we were missing from the 2019-20 team in the playoffs, we lacked a player (Kawhi...or his type) to face off with Tatum, now we do; so its all good..

lol@ the board, 1 loss, the sky is falling & now, everything is good.

i have posted less & less over the years but i doubt any of the older ones can let go of not reading normal reactions.

I know it is a lot to put on Scottie's shoulders to be that guy, but sometimes it is not so much only the skills but an attitude thing. Scottie feels like the baddest man on the court. Not saying this season is going to be good, but Scottie definitely has put an imprint on the game.

Regarding the team, let's see how this team does against real big men like AD, Jokic, Embiid, Vuc, Randle etc. Boston is a small team so not surprised we looked so physical. Poor Horford has to do so much for them and he's like 50.

[Gold Dragon]

Nothing more needs to be said about Barnes. The league is put on notice.

I'm a Trent critic but he definitely showed that there is more to his game tonight. On offense, he is reeling in his tendency to be a black hole and making some better decisions with and without the ball. The last few games he has been very active cutting to the basket and his teammates are finding him. That is going to be a big part of how he needs to expand his offensive game to be a more diverse threat when his shot is not there.

On defense as others have mentioned, his IQ and ability to stick with this man are still quite lacking. But you have to give him credit for his tenacity and activity with his hands to go for the steal, even if it often puts him out of position when he misses. His great stretch in the third was game changing involving big time plays on both offense and defense, showing a lot of different skills. If he can keep this up, he will be making a lot of us eat crow. I hope he keeps it up.

Fred was easily the 3rd best player on the Raptors this game and the steadying veteran presence but you wouldn't know it if you read this forum which obviously is full of box score watchers. Excellent game by Fred doing all the little things to win. He got the entire team going offensively in finding guys in the flow of the offense and on defense was always in the thick of things making big plays. Sure he struggles with finishing near the basket. We have talked about that to death already.

OG is figuring out what works in game situations and what doesn't and I'll give him some slack these first few games. What worked in preseason and practice is not working in NBA regular season game speed. He is still processing his plays on offense too slowly and overthinking and as a result is a step behind or gets blocked. I expect the team to keep going to him even when he struggles because of how important it is for OG to develop this part of his game going forward.

[DeKobe DeBryant]

We really drafted a superstar, unreal.

GTJ with 20 pts and great defense as well, don't forget that he's also only 22.

[Scott Hall]

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[Kingsway_fan]

1. OG also started very poorly the first 10 games last year before really upping his game... hopefully, he will settle down and get back to his rhythm.

2. When pascal and Yuta return, our defense will be top 5.

3. Barnes... two way player defending opposing best players, coupled with OG... lets see a bigger sample size but our length (Banton included) and athleticism is as good as any since the Vince tmac year...

[EliteSmarts]

No more OG first option, he doesn't have it

what a disaster

3/17 shooting vs Washington

4/18 shooting vs Celtics

Hypebeast Aminu

It's 2 games, give OG some time. If he continues to struggle after 20 games then yeah he isn't a 1st option.

[Dr Positivity]

Sending Celtics to shambles while Barnes drops 25 and Precious dominates glass

[duppyy]

Nothing more needs to be said about Barnes. The league is put on notice.

I'm a Trent critic but he definitely showed that there is more to his game tonight. On offense, he is reeling in his tendency to be a black hole and making some better decisions with and without the ball. The last few games he has been very active cutting to the basket and his teammates are finding him. That is going to be a big part of how he needs to expand his offensive game to be a more diverse threat when his shot is not there.

On defense as others have mentioned, his IQ and ability to stick with this man are still quite lacking. But you have to give him credit for his tenacity and activity with his hands to go for the steal, even if it often puts him out of position when he misses. His great stretch in the third was game changing involving big time plays on both offense and defense, showing a lot of different skills. If he can keep this up, he will be making a lot of us eat crow. I hope he keeps it up.

Fred was easily the 3rd best player on the Raptors this game and the steadying veteran presence but you wouldn't know it if you read this forum which obviously is full of box score watchers. Excellent game by Fred doing all the little things to win. He got the entire team going offensively in finding guys in the flow of the offense and on defense was always in the thick of things making big plays. Sure he struggles with finishing near the basket. We have talked about that to death already.

OG is figuring out what works in game situations and what doesn't and I'll give him some slack these first few games. What worked in preseason and practice is not working in NBA regular season game speed. He is still processing his plays on offense too slowly and overthinking and as a result is a step behind or gets blocked. I expect the team to keep going to him even when he struggles because of how important it is for OG to develop this part of his game going forward.

Are you sure you’re not the one that was just looking at the box score? FVV was terrible for 80% of game offensively. He managed to screw up a 4 on 1 fast break. Was getting blocked at the rim and at the 3 point line. We relied on a rookie who showed more poise over our supposed vets.

He did settle down later in the 4th but if it wasn’t for Scottie, GTJ and Precious with his rebounding we would’ve lost. So no he’s not easily the 3rd best player last night.

[10giz]

Nothing more needs to be said about Barnes. The league is put on notice.

I'm a Trent critic but he definitely showed that there is more to his game tonight. On offense, he is reeling in his tendency to be a black hole and making some better decisions with and without the ball. The last few games he has been very active cutting to the basket and his teammates are finding him. That is going to be a big part of how he needs to expand his offensive game to be a more diverse threat when his shot is not there.

On defense as others have mentioned, his IQ and ability to stick with this man are still quite lacking. But you have to give him credit for his tenacity and activity with his hands to go for the steal, even if it often puts him out of position when he misses. His great stretch in the third was game changing involving big time plays on both offense and defense, showing a lot of different skills. If he can keep this up, he will be making a lot of us eat crow. I hope he keeps it up.

Fred was easily the 3rd best player on the Raptors this game and the steadying veteran presence but you wouldn't know it if you read this forum which obviously is full of box score watchers. Excellent game by Fred doing all the little things to win. He got the entire team going offensively in finding guys in the flow of the offense and on defense was always in the thick of things making big plays. Sure he struggles with finishing near the basket. We have talked about that to death already.

OG is figuring out what works in game situations and what doesn't and I'll give him some slack these first few games. What worked in preseason and practice is not working in NBA regular season game speed. He is still processing his plays on offense too slowly and overthinking and as a result is a step behind or gets blocked. I expect the team to keep going to him even when he struggles because of how important it is for OG to develop this part of his game going forward.

Are you sure you’re not the one that was just looking at the box score? FVV was terrible for 80% of game offensively. He managed to screw up a 4 on 1 fast break. Was getting blocked at the rim and at the 3 point line. We relied on a rookie who showed more poise over our supposed vets.

He did settle down later in the 4th but if it wasn’t for Scottie, GTJ and Precious with his rebounding we would’ve lost. So no he’s not easily the 3rd best player last night.

Freds been clearly frustrated and I can understand its a big adjustment in his role too as leader.

I trust that he's going to do what needs to be done and find a way to better compliment the new style of the team.

[mdenny]

Nothing more needs to be said about Barnes. The league is put on notice.

I'm a Trent critic but he definitely showed that there is more to his game tonight. On offense, he is reeling in his tendency to be a black hole and making some better decisions with and without the ball. The last few games he has been very active cutting to the basket and his teammates are finding him. That is going to be a big part of how he needs to expand his offensive game to be a more diverse threat when his shot is not there.

On defense as others have mentioned, his IQ and ability to stick with this man are still quite lacking. But you have to give him credit for his tenacity and activity with his hands to go for the steal, even if it often puts him out of position when he misses. His great stretch in the third was game changing involving big time plays on both offense and defense, showing a lot of different skills. If he can keep this up, he will be making a lot of us eat crow. I hope he keeps it up.

Fred was easily the 3rd best player on the Raptors this game and the steadying veteran presence but you wouldn't know it if you read this forum which obviously is full of box score watchers. Excellent game by Fred doing all the little things to win. He got the entire team going offensively in finding guys in the flow of the offense and on defense was always in the thick of things making big plays. Sure he struggles with finishing near the basket. We have talked about that to death already.

OG is figuring out what works in game situations and what doesn't and I'll give him some slack these first few games. What worked in preseason and practice is not working in NBA regular season game speed. He is still processing his plays on offense too slowly and overthinking and as a result is a step behind or gets blocked. I expect the team to keep going to him even when he struggles because of how important it is for OG to develop this part of his game going forward.

Are you sure you’re not the one that was just looking at the box score? FVV was terrible for 80% of game offensively. He managed to screw up a 4 on 1 fast break. Was getting blocked at the rim and at the 3 point line. We relied on a rookie who showed more poise over our supposed vets.

He did settle down later in the 4th but if it wasn’t for Scottie, GTJ and Precious with his rebounding we would’ve lost. So no he’s not easily the 3rd best player last night.

Fred had 7 assists at half. 2 blocks. 1 steal. 3 deflections.

[Scott Hall]

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[Green Backpack]

That game was a lot of fun. Our defense really does have so much potential with OG and Barnes. They're the perfect duo to lineup against Tatum and Brown.

Precious is a bit of a love/hate for me right now. He struggles to finish around the basket and does a lot of random ISO plays from the 3 pt line. He just needs a bit more control but the potential is oozing.

[hyper316]

what a disaster

3/17 shooting vs Washington

4/18 shooting vs Celtics

Hypebeast Aminu

It's 2 games, give OG some time. If he continues to struggle after 20 games then yeah he isn't a 1st option.

I'd give OG time, but he looks uncomfortable out there compared to preseason

[ATLTimekeeper]

Let's just all appreciate that the Celtics were getting booed on their home opener for almost the entire 2nd half.

[kirkwood]

3/17 shooting vs Washington

4/18 shooting vs Celtics

Hypebeast Aminu

It's 2 games, give OG some time. If he continues to struggle after 20 games then yeah he isn't a 1st option.

I'd give OG time, but he looks uncomfortable out there compared to preseason

He looks like he has dead tired legs or is fighting a injury.