2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[UnbelievablyRAW]

RE: Trent and FVV

In terms of team control of the core five guys;

Barnes RFA --> Summer 2025 (Even if he takes just the QO team control thru 2026)
Siakam UFA --> Summer 2024
OG UFA --> Summer 2024 (PO for 24/25)
FVV UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)
GTJ UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)

While it may be tempting to want to move OG or Siakam the issue is they are performing to or exceeding their current deals and have a few seasons of team control left whereas FVV and GTJ do not.

Unless you are amalgamating talent and moving two guys for a significant upgrade, I can't see a situation where OG or Siakam are moved till the situation regarding FVV and GTJ who will almost certainly opt out next summer is resolved.

I see us extending or resigning both. We don't have enough scoring/shooting to replace either so they have us at their mercy.

I can see OG moved for a player on a restricted deal (Wiseman and Moody + pick in the offseason?)

[Morris_Shatford]

RE: Trent and FVV

In terms of team control of the core five guys;

Barnes RFA --> Summer 2025 (Even if he takes just the QO team control thru 2026)
Siakam UFA --> Summer 2024
OG UFA --> Summer 2024 (PO for 24/25)
FVV UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)
GTJ UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)

While it may be tempting to want to move OG or Siakam the issue is they are performing to or exceeding their current deals and have a few seasons of team control left whereas FVV and GTJ do not.

Unless you are amalgamating talent and moving two guys for a significant upgrade, I can't see a situation where OG or Siakam are moved till the situation regarding FVV and GTJ who will almost certainly opt out next summer is resolved.

I see us extending or resigning both. We don't have enough scoring/shooting to replace either so they have us at their mercy.

I can see OG moved for a player on a restricted deal (Wiseman and Moody + pick in the offseason?)

In the case of FVV I have full confidence if we pay him market value he stays;
I do have some concerns with GTJ staying.

OG may ultimately be the odd man out of the front five (assuming the other four are around) but I would think it would go the other way. Rather than breaking OG into rebuilding pieces, I could see OG + FRPs + Stuff for a substantial upgrade. However, who knows what Masai and Co. have in mind?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

RE: Trent and FVV

In terms of team control of the core five guys;

Barnes RFA --> Summer 2025 (Even if he takes just the QO team control thru 2026)
Siakam UFA --> Summer 2024
OG UFA --> Summer 2024 (PO for 24/25)
FVV UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)
GTJ UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)

While it may be tempting to want to move OG or Siakam the issue is they are performing to or exceeding their current deals and have a few seasons of team control left whereas FVV and GTJ do not.

Unless you are amalgamating talent and moving two guys for a significant upgrade, I can't see a situation where OG or Siakam are moved till the situation regarding FVV and GTJ who will almost certainly opt out next summer is resolved.

I see us extending or resigning both. We don't have enough scoring/shooting to replace either so they have us at their mercy.

I can see OG moved for a player on a restricted deal (Wiseman and Moody + pick in the offseason?)

In the case of FVV I have full confidence if we pay him market value he stays;
I do have some concerns with GTJ staying.

OG may ultimately be the odd man out of the front five (assuming the other four are around) but I would think it would go the other way. Rather than breaking OG into rebuilding pieces, I could see OG + FRPs + Stuff for a substantial upgrade. However, who knows what Masai and Co. have in mind?

Hard to project who that star would be. For a while I was hoping Boston would crater so itd be Jaylen Brown, but they've been on the upswing again. Then there was Ingram but he's both gotten too good and the Pelicans are in a good place with their roster and Zion returning. Beal and other older stars aren't much of a draw because I don't see any non superstar putting us over the edge and worth the cost to obtain.

I like the Moody an Wiseman plus pick offering because we get recent lottery picks on restricted deals and an extra pick to draft another person to round out the roster (also wasn't opposed to Moody at 8-9 if we had kept our draft position). Both also offer things we are lacking (shooting and mobile big rim protection)

[wegotthabeet]

Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA

Dream scenario: Donovan Mitchell asks out this summer (as rumored), Raps trade OG+Trent for a young, proven dynamic 2 guard to pair with Siakam, Barnes, FVV and Precious.

Vanvleet + Trent for Mitchell + NAW works better for both teams in my opinion.

Barnes, Siakam, Mitchell, Anunoby is a nice core.

I'd be inclined to keep Barnes, Siakam & Anunoby and use FVV + Trent to upgrade.

[wegotthabeet]

If the bulls flame out this year, I wonder if there's a FVV trade to be had.

FVV for Williams, White, Green, Dosunmu works money wise. Not sure how Chicago feels about this as it's an all in kind of move.

I posted a similar idea a couple pages back. I am very high on Williams and Ayo though. Bulls are pretty much all in on their current core. I think this deal makes sense for both teams.

[wegotthabeet]

Front office needs to find a balance for this team and a pecking order and defined roles.

It’s such a waste when you have Scotty, OG , Pascal , Fred and Gary when you think about the reality that there’s not enough shots for all of them . I don’t know what the advanced stats say but OG and Fred appear to not be great at creating offence for themselves and are quite good at spot up shooting so why not let Scottie and pascal facilitate all the offense. Gary is interesting because he seems to either be hot or cold. I still can’t believe how little Gary turns the ball over tho.

Honestly we can’t pay them all and I hate to say it but giannis JUST turned 27 and embiid is 28 so I really don’t think a Fred/pascal (without a star) roster is gonna beat them.

Agree. The pecking order will be established after next year. We already have the superstar in the making and there are only so many shots.

Using the trade posted above.

1st & 2nd options - Barnes & Siakam
3rd option - Anunoby

The rotation - Banton, Achiuwa, Boucher, Ayo + Williams + White (traded for Vanvleet), Brooks + 11th pick (traded for Trent Jr.)

Ayo - Banton
Anunoby - White
Barnes - Brooks
Williams - Boucher
Siakam - Achiuwa

+ 11th pick, 31st pick.

[Snacks]

Is your front office looking for an Ayton type center or a Noel/ Mitchell Robinson type?

[Spida888]

OG+Trent for SGA

Dream scenario: Donovan Mitchell asks out this summer (as rumored), Raps trade OG+Trent for a young, proven dynamic 2 guard to pair with Siakam, Barnes, FVV and Precious.

Vanvleet + Trent for Mitchell + NAW works better for both teams in my opinion.

Barnes, Siakam, Mitchell, Anunoby is a nice core.

I'd be inclined to keep Barnes, Siakam & Anunoby and use FVV + Trent to upgrade.

I'm with you. Trading OG + Trent for Mitchell will give us one of the smallest backcourts. FVV + Trent will actually provide good production for Utah, but likely they wont' do it or will ask for pick(s) especially when both are expiring next year.

Not that OG is untouchable. I would certainly do OG + Trent for SGA but OKC wouldn't. If OKC consolidate their picks and continue to draft well, they should be pretty good in a couple of years.

[Madhouse]

Dream scenario: Donovan Mitchell asks out this summer (as rumored), Raps trade OG+Trent for a young, proven dynamic 2 guard to pair with Siakam, Barnes, FVV and Precious.

Vanvleet + Trent for Mitchell + NAW works better for both teams in my opinion.

Barnes, Siakam, Mitchell, Anunoby is a nice core.

I'd be inclined to keep Barnes, Siakam & Anunoby and use FVV + Trent to upgrade.

I'm with you. Trading OG + Trent for Mitchell will give us one of the smallest backcourts. FVV + Trent will actually provide good production for Utah, but likely they wont' do it or will ask for pick(s) especially when both are expiring next year.

Not that OG is untouchable. I would certainly do OG + Trent for SGA but OKC wouldn't. If OKC consolidate their picks and continue to draft well, they should be pretty good in a couple of years.

I think it could work if SGA forces his way out. And says only Toronto.

I truly think we will push for Mitchell or SGA with that package this summer (and possible picks).

[Saul Goodman]

I think it’s pretty clear Ayton is on the outs in Phoenix and I think he’s everything we should be looking for at the 5

OG
Birch
Flynn


For

Ayton sign and trade



Ayton/Siakam/Barnes/Trent/Fred



Perfectly balance starting lineup

[Rodrickle]

I think it’s pretty clear Ayton is on the outs in Phoenix and I think he’s everything we should be looking for at the 5

OG
Birch
Flynn


For

Ayton sign and trade



Ayton/Siakam/Barnes/Trent/Fred



Perfectly balance starting lineup

I suspect some of this hinges on what happens with Sarver. Sarver won't pay Ayton but may be interested in cheaper replacements. A new owner will probably just pay Ayton the max.

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[Mr Swagtastic]

I think it’s pretty clear Ayton is on the outs in Phoenix and I think he’s everything we should be looking for at the 5

OG
Birch
Flynn


For

Ayton sign and trade



Ayton/Siakam/Barnes/Trent/Fred



Perfectly balance starting lineup

Tbh I don't think that's enough. OG is fantastic value but they have their own elite 3&D wing in Bridges who is probably one of the more underrated players. Toronto probably has to start with picks plus IMHO with OG

I honestly think The Suns will pay him to keep him they have to IMHO they have a championship-caliber team. I get Book, Paul and Bridges are getting paid but if you let Ayton walk and get nothing back do you think Booker will stay?

I think Detroit has stupid amounts of cap space this year and if they land one of Chet or Smith then a core of Bey, Cade, Ayton, 2022 1st is very good plus they have Olynyk and Grant they could keep or move.

[wegotthabeet]

Memphis Trades: Dillon Brooks + 11th pick

Toronto Trades: Trent Jr. + 32nd pick

If the Raptors look to move Trent this summer than this is the type of move I'd make. Brooks could be re-signed to a cheaper long term deal than Trent. The Lakers pick provides additional upside. Draft someone like Duren or try to move up to take someone like Sharpe. It also makes it easier to re-sign Vanvleet, OG & Siakam in the future.

Vanvleet
Brooks
Anunoby
Barnes
Siakam

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It might be better to pair Trent with another good player to get an all star back next season.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think it’s pretty clear Ayton is on the outs in Phoenix and I think he’s everything we should be looking for at the 5

OG
Birch
Flynn


For

Ayton sign and trade



Ayton/Siakam/Barnes/Trent/Fred



Perfectly balance starting lineup

Nope don’t want to pay Ayton the max

[wegotthabeet]

It might be better to pair Trent with another good player to get an all star back next season.

If combining 2 of Vanvleet, Trent or OG can land a major upgrade then I'd be down. Hard to find those opportunities though.

I do like Brooks a lot. He's an excellent starter/rotation piece, elite defender, local, young and could be re-signed at a very reasonable longterm deal. That combined with a high pick would be tempting.

If we could turn Trent + 32nd pick + 2023 FRP into Brooks & Shaedon Sharpe that's a nice mix of talent and potential.

Vanvleet - Banton
Brooks - Sharpe
Anunoby - Young
Barnes - Boucher
Siakam - Achiuwa

[goinrogue]

Would love Ayton. Chris Paul isn’t getting any younger so I’m thinking he would cost us Fred.

[Madhouse]

It might be better to pair Trent with another good player to get an all star back next season.

Yep, SGA...I believe he is very interested coming home.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It might be better to pair Trent with another good player to get an all star back next season.

If combining 2 of Vanvleet, Trent or OG can land a major upgrade then I'd be down. Hard to find those opportunities though.

I do like Brooks a lot. He's an excellent starter/rotation piece, elite defender, local, young and could be re-signed at a very reasonable longterm deal. That combined with a high pick would be tempting.

If we could turn Trent + 32nd pick + 2023 FRP into Brooks & Shaedon Sharpe that's a nice mix of talent and potential.

Vanvleet - Banton
Brooks - Sharpe
Anunoby - Young
Barnes - Boucher
Siakam - Achiuwa

There are always opportunities. Franchise players are switching teams every season.
Also are you talking about Armoni Brooks? I mean I guess. We need somebody.
Edit: you meant Dillon brooks. My fault

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It might be better to pair Trent with another good player to get an all star back next season.

Yep, SGA...I believe he is very interested coming home.

He is? Have there been any rumors to this?