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Chandan wrote:Don't like him. He's too short. Sure he may work sometimes in isolated situations, but why work against the grain? There are plenty of guards in the d-league who can do what he does and more.
sbsat wrote:where did i say 7? Why dont u define it? 2, 3, 4?HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:
several years? they won a title in 2019. and 24 is old? I think you may have actually lost your mind
Several does not mean seven. Learn the English language lol.
And yes, 24 is old for a rookie. Please don't feign idiocy.
HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:where did i say 7? Why dont u define it? 2, 3, 4?HumbleRen wrote:
Several does not mean seven. Learn the English language lol.
And yes, 24 is old for a rookie. Please don't feign idiocy.
Because several is the appropriate word, not my fault you misunderstood it lol.
sbsat wrote:HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:where did i say 7? Why dont u define it? 2, 3, 4?
Because several is the appropriate word, not my fault you misunderstood it lol.
I think you misunderstand context. The team won a title 4 years ago, yet you think Masai is a clueless idiot who doesn't understand guard play. We had lowry up until 2 years ago... so several is 2 years? define it. I dud not misunderstand anything, and moreso I understand context much better than you.
tripa wrote:Who the hell is Shamorie Ponds
HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:HumbleRen wrote:
Because several is the appropriate word, not my fault you misunderstood it lol.
I think you misunderstand context. The team won a title 4 years ago, yet you think Masai is a clueless idiot who doesn't understand guard play. We had lowry up until 2 years ago... so several is 2 years? define it. I dud not misunderstand anything, and moreso I understand context much better than you.
Our guard depth since 2020, the only competent guards we've had were FVV and Lowry who are BOTH gone lol.
Jalen Harris
Terence Davis
Matt Thomas
Malachi Flynn
Goran Dragic
Pat McCaw
David Johnson
Shamorie Ponds
Armoni Brooks
Tremont Waters
Jeff Dowtin
Joe Wieskamp
Will Barton
Dalano Banton
Svi Mykhailiuk
Do I think Masai and the FO are idiots for undervaluing guard play ? Yes. Do I think it's a large reason why we've had bottom 5 half court offence since Lowry left ? Yes.
FO thought Will effin Barton was the answer.
sbsat wrote:HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:
I think you misunderstand context. The team won a title 4 years ago, yet you think Masai is a clueless idiot who doesn't understand guard play. We had lowry up until 2 years ago... so several is 2 years? define it. I dud not misunderstand anything, and moreso I understand context much better than you.
Our guard depth since 2020, the only competent guards we've had were FVV and Lowry who are BOTH gone lol.
Jalen Harris
Terence Davis
Matt Thomas
Malachi Flynn
Goran Dragic
Pat McCaw
David Johnson
Shamorie Ponds
Armoni Brooks
Tremont Waters
Jeff Dowtin
Joe Wieskamp
Will Barton
Dalano Banton
Svi Mykhailiuk
Do I think Masai and the FO are idiots for undervaluing guard play ? Yes. Do I think it's a large reason why we've had bottom 5 half court offence since Lowry left ? Yes.
FO thought Will effin Barton was the answer.
is Trent Jr not a guard? Does OG not play the two-guard? Where is normal Powell? Did you pull this list out of your a$$?
HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:HumbleRen wrote:
Our guard depth since 2020, the only competent guards we've had were FVV and Lowry who are BOTH gone lol.
Jalen Harris
Terence Davis
Matt Thomas
Malachi Flynn
Goran Dragic
Pat McCaw
David Johnson
Shamorie Ponds
Armoni Brooks
Tremont Waters
Jeff Dowtin
Joe Wieskamp
Will Barton
Dalano Banton
Svi Mykhailiuk
Do I think Masai and the FO are idiots for undervaluing guard play ? Yes. Do I think it's a large reason why we've had bottom 5 half court offence since Lowry left ? Yes.
FO thought Will effin Barton was the answer.
is Trent Jr not a guard? Does OG not play the two-guard? Where is normal Powell? Did you pull this list out of your a$$?
These are all the signings the Raps have made since the championship year to address our “guard depth”. Keep up.
This is what I mean by the FO undervaluing guard play. He’s made this fanbase so guard starved that you don’t even know what a guard looks like anymore.
Bro said Powell, OG and GTJ, good god LOL.
Playing the 2 does not make you a guard man. GTJ is arguably one of the worst passers in the entire league. Norm is a wing and OG can’t dribble.
sbsat wrote:HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:
is Trent Jr not a guard? Does OG not play the two-guard? Where is normal Powell? Did you pull this list out of your a$$?
These are all the signings the Raps have made since the championship year to address our “guard depth”. Keep up.
This is what I mean by the FO undervaluing guard play. He’s made this fanbase so guard starved that you don’t even know what a guard looks like anymore.
Bro said Powell, OG and GTJ, good god LOL.
Playing the 2 does not make you a guard man. GTJ is arguably one of the worst passers in the entire league. Norm is a wing and OG can’t dribble.
where did you say that list was the signings they made in the original post? you labelled it "guard depth" thats it. existing players dont matter? honestly discussing with you is like pulling teeth, you make absolutely zero sense. Have a good day.
hyper316 wrote:Chandan wrote:Don't like him. He's too short. Sure he may work sometimes in isolated situations, but why work against the grain? There are plenty of guards in the d-league who can do what he does and more.
It's a good narrative to attract underdog undrafted players and give them a chance. Rebuild that reputation for years to come
Chandan wrote:hyper316 wrote:Chandan wrote:Don't like him. He's too short. Sure he may work sometimes in isolated situations, but why work against the grain? There are plenty of guards in the d-league who can do what he does and more.
It's a good narrative to attract underdog undrafted players and give them a chance. Rebuild that reputation for years to come
These underdog undrafted players are nice to have when you already have a talented team with players that have great pedigree.
It's pointless to have them right now at the rebuilding phase. Right when these underdogs blossoms they would be at the tail end of their first contract, they will either get poached or will sign at an competitive salary and wont be a bargain anymore.
HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:HumbleRen wrote:
These are all the signings the Raps have made since the championship year to address our “guard depth”. Keep up.
This is what I mean by the FO undervaluing guard play. He’s made this fanbase so guard starved that you don’t even know what a guard looks like anymore.
Bro said Powell, OG and GTJ, good god LOL.
Playing the 2 does not make you a guard man. GTJ is arguably one of the worst passers in the entire league. Norm is a wing and OG can’t dribble.
where did you say that list was the signings they made in the original post? you labelled it "guard depth" thats it. existing players dont matter? honestly discussing with you is like pulling teeth, you make absolutely zero sense. Have a good day.
Yes, let’s agree to disagree lol.
The fact that you think GTJ and OG can substitute as actual guard play tells me all I need to know about your basketball intelligence. This is going no where.
Kurtz wrote:HumbleRen wrote:sbsat wrote:
where did you say that list was the signings they made in the original post? you labelled it "guard depth" thats it. existing players dont matter? honestly discussing with you is like pulling teeth, you make absolutely zero sense. Have a good day.
Yes, let’s agree to disagree lol.
The fact that you think GTJ and OG can substitute as actual guard play tells me all I need to know about your basketball intelligence. This is going no where.
You did **** up though because you were trying to be hyperbolic. Up until 2 years ago we had both Lowry and Fred - two former Allstars who had led us to a championship.
Even last 2 seasons, we had Fred running the point and he just got $40 mil/year.
What you were trying to say is that the Raptors haven't developed the depth at the pg spot lately what with Flynn and Banton being busts. And our pg picture is not looking good for the upcoming year. All of that is true.
HumbleRen wrote:Kurtz wrote:HumbleRen wrote:
Yes, let’s agree to disagree lol.
The fact that you think GTJ and OG can substitute as actual guard play tells me all I need to know about your basketball intelligence. This is going no where.
You did **** up though because you were trying to be hyperbolic. Up until 2 years ago we had both Lowry and Fred - two former Allstars who had led us to a championship.
Even last 2 seasons, we had Fred running the point and he just got $40 mil/year.
What you were trying to say is that the Raptors haven't developed the depth at the pg spot lately what with Flynn and Banton being busts. And our pg picture is not looking good for the upcoming year. All of that is true.
Nah, not really lol. Even when Lowry and FVV were both starting, our guard depth was poor. We got away with it in 2019-2020 because we played FVV and Lowry near 37 minutes a game lol.
FVV went from being a back up to starting and we replaced that hole with Malachi Flynn lmao.
I don’t know what’s their solution to address the guard situation but looking for it in the second round or undrafted pool is not it lol.
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Kurtz wrote:
You did **** up though because you were trying to be hyperbolic. Up until 2 years ago we had both Lowry and Fred - two former Allstars who had led us to a championship.
Even last 2 seasons, we had Fred running the point and he just got $40 mil/year.
What you were trying to say is that the Raptors haven't developed the depth at the pg spot lately what with Flynn and Banton being busts. And our pg picture is not looking good for the upcoming year. All of that is true.
Nah, not really lol. Even when Lowry and FVV were both starting, our guard depth was poor. We got away with it in 2019-2020 because we played FVV and Lowry near 37 minutes a game lol.
FVV went from being a back up to starting and we replaced that hole with Malachi Flynn lmao.
I don’t know what’s their solution to address the guard situation but looking for it in the second round or undrafted pool is not it lol.
"Look at the Miami Heat, there is so much parity in this league, why not US?"
Miami Heat: 20 billion NBA level guards
HumbleRen wrote:Kurtz wrote:HumbleRen wrote:
Yes, let’s agree to disagree lol.
The fact that you think GTJ and OG can substitute as actual guard play tells me all I need to know about your basketball intelligence. This is going no where.
You did **** up though because you were trying to be hyperbolic. Up until 2 years ago we had both Lowry and Fred - two former Allstars who had led us to a championship.
Even last 2 seasons, we had Fred running the point and he just got $40 mil/year.
What you were trying to say is that the Raptors haven't developed the depth at the pg spot lately what with Flynn and Banton being busts. And our pg picture is not looking good for the upcoming year. All of that is true.
Nah, not really lol. Even when Lowry and FVV were both starting, our guard depth was poor. We got away with it in 2019-2020 because we played FVV and Lowry near 37 minutes a game lol.
FVV went from being a back up to starting and we replaced that hole with Malachi Flynn lmao.
I don’t know what’s their solution to address the guard situation but looking for it in the second round or undrafted pool is not it lol.
TheGeneral99 wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Kurtz wrote:
You did **** up though because you were trying to be hyperbolic. Up until 2 years ago we had both Lowry and Fred - two former Allstars who had led us to a championship.
Even last 2 seasons, we had Fred running the point and he just got $40 mil/year.
What you were trying to say is that the Raptors haven't developed the depth at the pg spot lately what with Flynn and Banton being busts. And our pg picture is not looking good for the upcoming year. All of that is true.
Nah, not really lol. Even when Lowry and FVV were both starting, our guard depth was poor. We got away with it in 2019-2020 because we played FVV and Lowry near 37 minutes a game lol.
FVV went from being a back up to starting and we replaced that hole with Malachi Flynn lmao.
I don’t know what’s their solution to address the guard situation but looking for it in the second round or undrafted pool is not it lol.
I mean this is a bit misleading.
We also had Norman Powell as a backup guard that year who could have been a starter on most teams. The Raptors also signed undrafted rookie Terrence Davis who was decently productive for us that year. Issue was that TD had sexual assault allegations the next summer and we dropped him. Jalen Harris similarly also had drug problems and was suspended by the league so we could never really develop him.