Official Immanuel Quickley Thread

[BetterCallSaul]

Some warning signs.

- he’s good at driving but he does not get to the rim enough, Maxey gets there 4X more than him on a per game basis

- he’s a slightly average to above average passer for his position, doesn’t seem to be aware of how much passing lanes are open to him due to his shooting gravity (he has a lot of development to do as a playmaker with the ball in his hands)

All in all, I think we got a guard that can average 20/5/5 in his sleep in his prime. For him to be a multi time all star ? That all depends on his development in finishing at the rim and playmaking.

I know this will continue to be a thing, but I don't think it's fair to Quickley to draw the side-by-side comparison to Maxey. Maxey is literally the fastest guy in the league with the ball in his hands, whereas Quickley has always been more of a quick-release shooter. For Quickley's development, we're not going to want him knifing into the paint at will. He's like a 180lbs, maybe. It's only going to end up in injuries. We're going to want him to add volume to his pull-up shooting, both midrange and from 3, and some playmaking.

The high end of this kind of player is Steph and Jamal Murray, the more reasonable outcome is like Tyler Herro. The low end is what he has been so far, a bench gunner. But as ballhandlers these guys are looking for their jump shot, not rim pressure.

For him to really take the superstar leap, I think he's either going to need to up his volume on 3's even more and hit at a similar percentage or really master the floater to the point where he's shooting KD, SGA percentages in that mid paint area. His FTR is already higher than Maxey's so just with more touches and minutes, getting about 6 FT's attempt a game should be doable pretty comfortably.

Smaller guards constantly attacking the rim gets them banged up and a lot more wear and tear on the body. FVV in his first 4 years relentlessly attacked the rim where he was terrible finishing and would constantly get bumps and bruises from doing it. He eventually adjusted his game and picked his spots a lot more which resulted in at least passable finishing at the rim his last couple years here. IQ can still finish fairly well at the rim for a guard (65% career) but he just really picks his spots when he does.

You know, it depends. IQ isn't that small like FVV or Kyle and he has also already figured out how to use the angle he gains with his first step to draw those "easy" fouls by leaning into the defender's path and putting the shot up off glass when the contact comes. Those don't wear or tear on your body. Guys like Fred and Kyle rarely beat guys off the dribble that easily and usually needed to get into the body of help defending big men in order to get to the line. Plus, their defence (taking charges, elbows to the face, running through screens) probably wore them down more than their offence.

It's always a great sign when a young guard can get to the line.

[HumbleRen]

Some positives and warning signs that I’ve seen after seeing all of his possessions with us again.

Let’s start with the positives.

- the pull up threat is REAL, teams will adjust but so far it’s better than advertised

- he’s a positive defender, I think he’s slightly average on ball but great off the ball

- elite touch, we should not discourage him from taking floaters, he’s currently 6th best in the league at it

- a fantastic movement shooter with an insane motor. He instinctively knows how to create space on the floor with his movements when off the ball

-great at pushing the pace


Some warning signs.

- he’s good at driving but he does not get to the rim enough, Maxey gets there 4X more than him on a per game basis

- he’s a slightly average to above average passer for his position, doesn’t seem to be aware of how much passing lanes are open to him due to his shooting gravity (he has a lot of development to do as a playmaker with the ball in his hands)


All in all, I think we got a guard that can average 20/5/5 in his sleep in his prime. For him to be a multi time all star ? That all depends on his development in finishing at the rim and playmaking.

I think IQ is TOO aware of the passing lanes and options available to him. His head is constantly on a swivel and sometimes he makes that clear obvious, easy pass and other times he seems caught between two minds. He seems to be a really high IQ player and not selfish at all. It seems like he's always looking to see if the floor (his teammates) develops the way he envisions before looking for his shot.
I think Darko told him to just focus on his scoring and be aggressive because he knows that once IQ starts commanding scouting reports like he can, then the floor will start shifting in his favour and the passing game will slow down for him.

Not so sure about that. He looks extremely hesitant to make tight window passes, even basic passes like entry passes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling him selfish at all but I just don't think he's ever had to think about being a legitimate PG during his time with the Knicks. It's going to be a learning curve for him.

[LoveMyRaps]

Quickley is going to be better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:

20% USAGE RATE:
Maxey:


Quickley:


24% USAGE RATE:
Maxey:


Quickley:


Their numbers are eerily similar. Maxey's usage rate this season is around 27% and Quickley will get the same as a Raptor.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

[BetterCallSaul]

Some positives and warning signs that I’ve seen after seeing all of his possessions with us again.

Let’s start with the positives.

- the pull up threat is REAL, teams will adjust but so far it’s better than advertised

- he’s a positive defender, I think he’s slightly average on ball but great off the ball

- elite touch, we should not discourage him from taking floaters, he’s currently 6th best in the league at it

- a fantastic movement shooter with an insane motor. He instinctively knows how to create space on the floor with his movements when off the ball

-great at pushing the pace


Some warning signs.

- he’s good at driving but he does not get to the rim enough, Maxey gets there 4X more than him on a per game basis

- he’s a slightly average to above average passer for his position, doesn’t seem to be aware of how much passing lanes are open to him due to his shooting gravity (he has a lot of development to do as a playmaker with the ball in his hands)


All in all, I think we got a guard that can average 20/5/5 in his sleep in his prime. For him to be a multi time all star ? That all depends on his development in finishing at the rim and playmaking.

I think IQ is TOO aware of the passing lanes and options available to him. His head is constantly on a swivel and sometimes he makes that clear obvious, easy pass and other times he seems caught between two minds. He seems to be a really high IQ player and not selfish at all. It seems like he's always looking to see if the floor (his teammates) develops the way he envisions before looking for his shot.
I think Darko told him to just focus on his scoring and be aggressive because he knows that once IQ starts commanding scouting reports like he can, then the floor will start shifting in his favour and the passing game will slow down for him.

Not so sure about that. He looks extremely hesitant to make tight window passes, even basic passes like entry passes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling him selfish at all but I just don't think he's ever had to think about being a legitimate PG during his time with the Knicks. It's going to be a learning curve for him.

I totally agree with you. I just think from what I've seen from him and the way he reads the floor. It's something that will really open up for him once he settles into this lead guard role. Not that I think he will ever crack 7apg though, to be honest. But 6-6.5 on a good a/t ratio I do see.

[BetterCallSaul]

Quickley is going to better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:

Maxey:


Quickley:


Their numbers are eerily similar.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

One thing, IQ is a better defender now and I like those numbers. However, one thing I noticed (but can't corroborate statistically) is that Maxey has been comfortable taking loong range pull up threes for a while. Not sure IQ has quite that type of range. And that is a game changer.

[Chalky_White]

I genuinely love watching the joy with which he plays. It's refreshing after so much pouting, complaining, etc the last few years.

Hopefully his demeaner rubs off on Scottie, who's starting to spend a bunch of time arguing with the refs like Luka.

Scottie needs to argue. The refs barely ever call fouls against him.

He also needs to flop, flail, and yell more to sell the contact.

I don't mind if he argues during stoppages in play, timeouts, etc. But consistently being late running back on defense cause he's busy arguing calls needs to stop. Its why the Mavs have one of the worst transition defenses; they play 4 on 5 in defense because Luka is still in the other end arguing calls.

I don't think a ref every stopped a play to change a call because a player argued for it.

[HumbleRen]

Quickley is going to better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:

Maxey:


Quickley:


Their numbers are eerily similar.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

One thing, IQ is a better defender now and I like those numbers. However, one thing I noticed (but can't corroborate statistically) is that Maxey has been comfortable taking loong range pull up threes for a while. Not sure IQ has quite that type of range. And that is a game changer.

Maxey has a proven record that his game can translate in the playoffs. Quickley, not so much. Quickley is also a year and some change older than Maxey too.

I know we're excited about Quickley but there's still levels to it. Maxey made the leap as a playmaker, he's made the leap as a 2nd option on a contender. He's also a much better finisher at the rim. I do believe Quickley can scale up his usage without affecting his efficiency but we gotta see it play out.

[BetterCallSaul]

Quickley is going to better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:

Maxey:


Quickley:


Their numbers are eerily similar.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

One thing, IQ is a better defender now and I like those numbers. However, one thing I noticed (but can't corroborate statistically) is that Maxey has been comfortable taking loong range pull up threes for a while. Not sure IQ has quite that type of range. And that is a game changer.

Maxey has a proven record that his game can translate in the playoffs. Quickley, not so much. Quickley is also a year and some change older than Maxey too.

I know we're excited about Quickley but there's still levels to it. Maxey made the leap as a playmaker, he's made the leap as a 2nd option on a contender. He's also a much better finisher at the rim. I do believe Quickley can scale up his usage without affecting his efficiency but we gotta see it play out.

I agree. When we traded for him, I didn't see Maxey type production coming. But something similar and close would make me ecstatic. Maxey just has something extra that makes him special - a bit more range, a bit quicker step, a bit more vertically explosive when finishing.
If IQ unlocks some of these things, I'll be in dreamland. But he doesn't need to for me to be happy. What he's done so far and a bit more will be just great.

[brownbobcat]

Quickley is going to better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:


Their numbers are eerily similar. Maxey's usage rate this season is around 27% and Quickley will get the same as a Raptor.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

Quickley is a good archetype for a PG playing next to Barnes. Can penetrate, play D and shoot. Obviously you don't want to start putting limits on him this early, but he doesn't need to be a primary hub - Jamal Murray is never going to be averaging 10 assists beside Jokic. I'd be pretty happy if Quickley ever got to that level.

[LoveMyRaps]

Quickley is going to better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:

Maxey:


Quickley:


Their numbers are eerily similar.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

One thing, IQ is a better defender now and I like those numbers. However, one thing I noticed (but can't corroborate statistically) is that Maxey has been comfortable taking loong range pull up threes for a while. Not sure IQ has quite that type of range. And that is a game changer.

Maxey has a proven record that his game can translate in the playoffs. Quickley, not so much. Quickley is also a year and some change older than Maxey too.

I know we're excited about Quickley but there's still levels to it. Maxey made the leap as a playmaker, he's made the leap as a 2nd option on a contender. He's also a much better finisher at the rim. I do believe Quickley can scale up his usage without affecting his efficiency but we gotta see it play out.

Quickley - 52% on 8 drives per game
Maxey - 46% on 12 drives per game

And again, there is a SIGNIFICANT gap in their defense.

But you're right about Maxey being the better playmaker and a proven playoff performer (although Maxey struggled mightily in his first 12 playoff games as well).

[PushDaRock]

I know this will continue to be a thing, but I don't think it's fair to Quickley to draw the side-by-side comparison to Maxey. Maxey is literally the fastest guy in the league with the ball in his hands, whereas Quickley has always been more of a quick-release shooter. For Quickley's development, we're not going to want him knifing into the paint at will. He's like a 180lbs, maybe. It's only going to end up in injuries. We're going to want him to add volume to his pull-up shooting, both midrange and from 3, and some playmaking.

The high end of this kind of player is Steph and Jamal Murray, the more reasonable outcome is like Tyler Herro. The low end is what he has been so far, a bench gunner. But as ballhandlers these guys are looking for their jump shot, not rim pressure.

For him to really take the superstar leap, I think he's either going to need to up his volume on 3's even more and hit at a similar percentage or really master the floater to the point where he's shooting KD, SGA percentages in that mid paint area. His FTR is already higher than Maxey's so just with more touches and minutes, getting about 6 FT's attempt a game should be doable pretty comfortably.

Smaller guards constantly attacking the rim gets them banged up and a lot more wear and tear on the body. FVV in his first 4 years relentlessly attacked the rim where he was terrible finishing and would constantly get bumps and bruises from doing it. He eventually adjusted his game and picked his spots a lot more which resulted in at least passable finishing at the rim his last couple years here. IQ can still finish fairly well at the rim for a guard (65% career) but he just really picks his spots when he does.

You know, it depends. IQ isn't that small like FVV or Kyle and he has also already figured out how to use the angle he gains with his first step to draw those "easy" fouls by leaning into the defender's path and putting the shot up off glass when the contact comes. Those don't wear or tear on your body. Guys like Fred and Kyle rarely beat guys off the dribble that easily and usually needed to get into the body of help defending big men in order to get to the line. Plus, their defence (taking charges, elbows to the face, running through screens) probably wore them down more than their offence.

It's always a great sign when a young guard can get to the line.

I think we will see him draw fouls at a decent rate but I think it's unlikely his shot profile will change too much. Players who don't shoot a lot of shots at the rim don't typically start taking more of them as their career progresses, usually it's the opposite.

[Madhouse]

Quickley is going to better than Maxey.

Was a better shooter and defender in college, and at worst he's the same level shooter as Maxey right now.
He has the higher upside and will, IMO, end up being the better player of the two.

Maxey has broken out this year because he's gotten a spike in usage following the dismissal of Harden.

Looking at their numbers for seasons in which they similar usage rates:


Their numbers are eerily similar. Maxey's usage rate this season is around 27% and Quickley will get the same as a Raptor.

Again - Quickley is the better 3&D player and now that he's finally gotten a starting role after all these years, he's going to show that he can be the better player of the two.

Maxey also has the luxury of playing with Embiid, who I believe attracts the most double teams in the league.

Quickley is a good archetype for a PG playing next to Barnes. Can penetrate, play D and shoot. Obviously you don't want to start putting limits on him this early, but he doesn't need to be a primary hub - Jamal Murray is never going to be averaging 10 assists beside Jokic. I'd be pretty happy if Quickley ever got to that level.

Quickley will be a great scoring PG imo. I'm sure he can still average 6 assists in his prime.

[djsunyc]

if quickley shoots around 38% from 3, he's gonna average 20 ppg here.

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[raptorforlife88]

Honestly if we're sitting around discussing whether IQ can hit Maxey level or if he's going to land a bit under that tier, that's pretty great really. Maxey is an untouchable player for Philly who can break a game open at anytime. Easy second best player on a contender.

If we got that, and will now have him for 4.5 years under contract for an expiring OG, that is something else.

I think he gets to just slightly under Maxey effectiveness offensively because he'll increase his volume of 3's but he's never going to match Maxey's explosiveness. I think his effectiveness on D however is going to make his value really high overall. He's going to, as he was in NY, a persistently high plus in his on/off court numbers because he will do the small things on a team defense basis on the other end that over the course of a whole game/whole season add up to wins.

[niQ]

Of course he got a triple-double against the Raptors.

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[ATLTimekeeper]

I know this will continue to be a thing, but I don't think it's fair to Quickley to draw the side-by-side comparison to Maxey. Maxey is literally the fastest guy in the league with the ball in his hands, whereas Quickley has always been more of a quick-release shooter. For Quickley's development, we're not going to want him knifing into the paint at will. He's like a 180lbs, maybe. It's only going to end up in injuries. We're going to want him to add volume to his pull-up shooting, both midrange and from 3, and some playmaking.

The high end of this kind of player is Steph and Jamal Murray, the more reasonable outcome is like Tyler Herro. The low end is what he has been so far, a bench gunner. But as ballhandlers these guys are looking for their jump shot, not rim pressure.

For him to really take the superstar leap, I think he's either going to need to up his volume on 3's even more and hit at a similar percentage or really master the floater to the point where he's shooting KD, SGA percentages in that mid paint area. His FTR is already higher than Maxey's so just with more touches and minutes, getting about 6 FT's attempt a game should be doable pretty comfortably.

Smaller guards constantly attacking the rim gets them banged up and a lot more wear and tear on the body. FVV in his first 4 years relentlessly attacked the rim where he was terrible finishing and would constantly get bumps and bruises from doing it. He eventually adjusted his game and picked his spots a lot more which resulted in at least passable finishing at the rim his last couple years here. IQ can still finish fairly well at the rim for a guard (65% career) but he just really picks his spots when he does.

You know, it depends. IQ isn't that small like FVV or Kyle and he has also already figured out how to use the angle he gains with his first step to draw those "easy" fouls by leaning into the defender's path and putting the shot up off glass when the contact comes. Those don't wear or tear on your body. Guys like Fred and Kyle rarely beat guys off the dribble that easily and usually needed to get into the body of help defending big men in order to get to the line. Plus, their defence (taking charges, elbows to the face, running through screens) probably wore them down more than their offence.

It's always a great sign when a young guard can get to the line.

Fred and Kyle are bowling balls. Apples to oranges. Maxey is even bulkier than IQ. You don't want someone with that frame trying to get to the rim that much. I think Steph's game is the model. He can get to the rim when he needs to with his handle, but he keeps himself out of the paint. That's also already how IQ plays. If they want to attack the basket that's what RJ and Scottie should be doing. They can take the punishment.

I look at guys like SGA and Ja and there's just no way they can sustain this style of play. I know the NBA is softer now, but it's not in the playoffs.

[PushDaRock]

For him to really take the superstar leap, I think he's either going to need to up his volume on 3's even more and hit at a similar percentage or really master the floater to the point where he's shooting KD, SGA percentages in that mid paint area. His FTR is already higher than Maxey's so just with more touches and minutes, getting about 6 FT's attempt a game should be doable pretty comfortably.

Smaller guards constantly attacking the rim gets them banged up and a lot more wear and tear on the body. FVV in his first 4 years relentlessly attacked the rim where he was terrible finishing and would constantly get bumps and bruises from doing it. He eventually adjusted his game and picked his spots a lot more which resulted in at least passable finishing at the rim his last couple years here. IQ can still finish fairly well at the rim for a guard (65% career) but he just really picks his spots when he does.

You know, it depends. IQ isn't that small like FVV or Kyle and he has also already figured out how to use the angle he gains with his first step to draw those "easy" fouls by leaning into the defender's path and putting the shot up off glass when the contact comes. Those don't wear or tear on your body. Guys like Fred and Kyle rarely beat guys off the dribble that easily and usually needed to get into the body of help defending big men in order to get to the line. Plus, their defence (taking charges, elbows to the face, running through screens) probably wore them down more than their offence.

It's always a great sign when a young guard can get to the line.

Fred and Kyle are bowling balls. Apples to oranges. Maxey is even bulkier than IQ. You don't want someone with that frame trying to get to the rim that much. I think Steph's game is the model. He can get to the rim when he needs to with his handle, but he keeps himself out of the paint. That's also already how IQ plays. If they want to attack the basket that's what RJ and Scottie should be doing. They can take the punishment.

I look at guys like SGA and Ja and there's just no way they can sustain this style of play. I know the NBA is softer now, but it's not in the playoffs.

Interestingly, Steph used to not shoot that efficiently from 3-10 ft but has made a drastic improvement the last 4 years where he makes around 54% of his shots from there. That also coincided with him getting to the rim less than he used to, so I think for IQ to make the big leap to potential superstar, he needs to get his floater game a bit more efficient too. Right now, it's still a good weapon to have but isn't a shot the D minds him taking statistically.

[rapsincr]

scottie still sulking about OG a bit i think, but you can tell by that handshake hes slowly coming around

[WuTang_CMB]

reboot of top boy ft. IQ

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