Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[iqbalpanchod]

You want to see the 10th circle of hell? There it is.

I would like championships. Depth isn't that important in the playoffs. The line up has a lot versatility, switching, and high volume (and high percentage) shooters. Please tell me what holes it has?

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What holes it has?

Well to start, Howard, Anthony and DeRozan are all black holes on offense.

I would highly recommend you begin consulting to Phil Jackson and the Knicks. This exactly the kind of **** lineup they'd try to trot out and sell to their fans as another "super team".

Which actually raises a legitimate question in my mind....Is there anyway it'd be possible to trade both Lowry (S&T) and DeRozan to the Knicks for future picks? Like any chance there's $60MM of crap salaries on the Knicks we can take back without accepting Anthony?

They'd come as role players. Play off DeRozan doubles and rotating defense to take advantage of. Anthony be a good second option and great third. Howard would be fifth.

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[iqbalpanchod]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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Doesn't play the passing lanes which is a great indicator of defensive success in the NBA and is a transfer from Duke. Analytically, guys that haven't produced at a school that transferred to go on to have success haven't panned out in the NBA (Wesley Johnson, Ekpe Udoh off the top of my head).

He has great agility, size, strength, and his three point shooting would make him the best on our tea straight away. He shoots 4 3PFGA on +40%. He comes from a hard working background.

The transfer from Duke and his success at SMU shows how trash Duke is for good prospects. Wes and udoh are lotto picks. I'd trade down for Semi.

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[MavCarter]

So only tj leaf and one other player today

[CoachJReturns]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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Doesn't play the passing lanes which is a great indicator of defensive success in the NBA and is a transfer from Duke. Analytically, guys that haven't produced at a school that transferred to go on to have success haven't panned out in the NBA (Wesley Johnson, Ekpe Udoh off the top of my head).

He has great agility, size, strength, and his three point shooting would make him the best on our tea straight away. He shoots 4 3PFGA on +40%. He comes from a hard working background.

The transfer from Duke and his success at SMU shows how trash Duke is for good prospects. Wes and udoh are lotto picks. I'd trade down for Semi.

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No thanks. If we're drafting a 3 and D guy, at least give me one with the collegiate numbers that at least suggest he'll be a good defender at the next level. Steals are an indicator. The Semi fan contingent here may not like it, but that doesn't change it. And simply being a hard worker doesn't necessarily mean you'll have NBA success where most are hard workers. If we're drafting him strictly for his 3 point shooting, why not draft a better 3 point shooter?
Semi gives me a bit of a Joey Graham vibe, same as Blossomgame, but with better 3 point shooting. That's not really someone I see as an NBA rotation player.

[CoachJReturns]

So only tj leaf and one other player today

Hmm. Seems like Masai and Weltman want a skilled big. I guess I'll prepare myself for Leaf. I'd prefer to take a gamble on Diallo(if he's still on the board), but I know every move is made with the intention of finding guys for the treadmill. Role players only.

[nabbs]

Over the past 5 years, how many of the guys that we drafted did we bring in for a workout? I don't think it's a high number at all. It's just front offices doing their due diligence imo.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Over the past 5 years, how many of the guys that we drafted did we bring in for a workout? I don't think it's a high number at all. It's just front offices doing their due diligence imo.

we brought Norm and Deandre Daniels in. We ran a workout with Poeltl and Pascal (and Skal) in Buffalo (I wonder if visa issues may have played a role in why that wasn't held in Toronto?). Not sure about Delon. And Bruno didn't come in.

[MavCarter]

Over the past 5 years, how many of the guys that we drafted did we bring in for a workout? I don't think it's a high number at all. It's just front offices doing their due diligence imo.

We brought in everyone for a workout.Bruno was the only secretive one we didnt know about

[CoachJReturns]

So if we take one of Lydon or Leaf, how does everyone feel about that? I suppose Lydon at least has a nice shot.

[HeadtopChunes]

So if we take one of Lydon or Leaf, how does everyone feel about that? I suppose Lydon at least has a nice shot.

Rather have leaf. He can shoot and play in the post. He's a good rebounder and shows high IQ. Makes some good passes and is good at shot blocking from the weakside. He's like a poor man's Kevin Love.

[navyblue]

Over the past 5 years, how many of the guys that we drafted did we bring in for a workout? I don't think it's a high number at all. It's just front offices doing their due diligence imo.

we brought Norm and Deandre Daniels in. We ran a workout with Poeltl and Pascal (and Skal) in Buffalo (I wonder if visa issues may have played a role in why that wasn't held in Toronto?). Not sure about Delon. And Bruno didn't come in.

yep paskal and jacob workouts were in buffalo because of visa issues, they were on student visa in the states and complicated to visit canada.

bruno we held a workout in houston
https://www.si.com/nba/2014/08/01/bruno-caboclo-toronto-raptors-masai-ujiri

delon we had in for a workout as well

[OAKLEY_2]

Over the past 5 years, how many of the guys that we drafted did we bring in for a workout? I don't think it's a high number at all. It's just front offices doing their due diligence imo.

we brought Norm and Deandre Daniels in. We ran a workout with Poeltl and Pascal (and Skal) in Buffalo (I wonder if visa issues may have played a role in why that wasn't held in Toronto?). Not sure about Delon. And Bruno didn't come in.

yep paskal and jacob workouts were in buffalo because of visa issues, they were on student visa in the states and complicated to visit canada.

bruno we held a workout in houston
https://www.si.com/nba/2014/08/01/bruno-caboclo-toronto-raptors-masai-ujiri

delon we had in for a workout as well

Never a problem visiting it is when they go back. Just like if an American comes to Canada no problem. Canadians residing in larger centres at airports must go through "Homeland Security" on the not-homeland Canadian soil.

[raptor jesus]

Over the past 5 years, how many of the guys that we drafted did we bring in for a workout? I don't think it's a high number at all. It's just front offices doing their due diligence imo.

we brought Norm and Deandre Daniels in. We ran a workout with Poeltl and Pascal (and Skal) in Buffalo (I wonder if visa issues may have played a role in why that wasn't held in Toronto?). Not sure about Delon. And Bruno didn't come in.

Delon came in, but was injured during the workout so I don't think he did an interview (with the media). The team held a private workout for Bruno in Houston.

[Syd-TK3]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

[super_balls]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

Defense and not much of an athlete (compared to NBA standards)

[HeadtopChunes]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

Inconsistent with his 3pt shot and not that good at shooting. Average athleticism at best. he is not a very good three-point shooter. Defensively, he may be a position defender, but he does not collect many steals or blocks. 

[BoyzNTheHood]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

He's not really a big 4, he doesn't have the long range jumper down yet, he's almost 22. But even with that I see him as a first rounder.

Lord please save us from the potential of taking TJ Leaf.

[HeadtopChunes]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

He's not really a big 4, he doesn't have the long range jumper down yet, he's almost 22. But even with that I see him as a first rounder.

Lord please save us from the potential of taking TJ Leaf.

What's wrong with Leaf? He looks like a good pick based on what I've read.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

He's not really a big 4, he doesn't have the long range jumper down yet, he's almost 22. But even with that I see him as a first rounder.

Lord please save us from the potential of taking TJ Leaf.

What's wrong with Leaf? He looks like a good pick based on what I've read.

He's going to struggle mightily on the defensive side of the ball in the NBA, and in order to get his offense off he'll need to be wide open or crafty as hell. I don't see what he does better than a guy like Doug McDermott for example.

[Syd-TK3]

Is Kuzma a 3 or a 4?
He was mentioned here before but im just now checking him out and he looks good. Moves quick for his height, can put the ball on the floor and run a fast break, good passing instincts, and shoots 3s

Not sure about defense though didn't see much
why's he considered mid second?

Inconsistent with his 3pt shot and not that good at shooting. Average athleticism at best. he is not a very good three-point shooter. Defensively, he may be a position defender, but he does not collect many steals or blocks. 

Yeah checking the stats it seems obvious with the low block numbers playing the 4 his defense needs work