OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[Vaclac]

I just don't see this doing much for Peel and Toronto when they can easily hop on over to York/Halton/Durham with much lesser restrictions.

If you're on the border and already have a car/live the suburban lifestyle sure, but living in downtown Toronto even if I did have a car there is no way I would go that far for those things.

[Clay Davis]

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I just don't see this doing much for Peel and Toronto when they can easily hop on over to York/Halton/Durham with much lesser restrictions.

Lol, the gym I go to has well over 60 people walking through its doors and hasn't had a single case. They invested thousands in covid-proofing their business and are now being dicked around.

[Basketball_Jones]

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I just don't see this doing much for Peel and Toronto when they can easily hop on over to York/Halton/Durham with much lesser restrictions.

Lol, the gym I go to has well over 60 people walking through its doors and hasn't had a single case. They invested thousands in covid-proofing their business and are now being dicked around.

It’s ridiculous. Shutting down everyone for outbreaks happening in universities, schools, and private gatherings is not the answer

[DelAbbot]

I just don't see this doing much for Peel and Toronto when they can easily hop on over to York/Halton/Durham with much lesser restrictions.

If you're on the border and already have a car/live the suburban lifestyle sure, but living in downtown Toronto even if I did have a car there is no way I would go that far for those things.

Exactly. The restriction is mostly for people to stop dining in at their fav restaurant nearby their home / going to the gym on their way to work. There is no way people drive out for over 1 hr (from downtown) just to dine in or goto the gym.

[Clay Davis]

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I just don't see this doing much for Peel and Toronto when they can easily hop on over to York/Halton/Durham with much lesser restrictions.

Lol, the gym I go to has well over 60 people walking through its doors and hasn't had a single case. They invested thousands in covid-proofing their business and are now being dicked around.

It’s ridiculous. Shutting down everyone for outbreaks happening in universities, schools, and private gatherings is not the answer

Yup. Businesses actually have an incentive to engage in contact tracing and such too.

[Dennis 37]

what's happening now it looks like the policy makers are confused. the economic cost of the lockdown was probably too much for the lives it saved. now, they are choosing to be more lenient, until it gets really out of hand. bringing back the province or the hotspots to a lower stage will be too costly economically.

people don't realize how much money had to be printed. like it long term **** the cities, province, and the country as a whole. now they are talking about taxing any gains on your principal residence. god knows whats next. now they are thinking about negative interest rates. more household debt on the way with cheap money.

this was probably the easiest thing to do. stay at home, stay in small groups, dont crowd. but people continued to do the opposite. we are so not ready for a more severe crisis. too **** selfish.

Honestly, there's so much money laundering that occurs in our real estate market that it's amazing how people aren't totally up in arms about it. I guess the boomers don't mind since the homes they bought for 50k 40 years ago have inflated in value to well over a mill, so they can just sell em and retire to Burlingtonwith $400k in the bank or some ****. I don't really mind them giving people money, since there's no way for a major segment of the population to be able to afford rent in this city with so many industries closed down.

The boomers do mind because they are stuck with adult children in their houses.

[Dennis 37]

The school situation caused this. Students are being told that being a meter, or closer, to a classmate in class is perfectly fine. When I drive by schools I see groups of students huddled together, or walking in tight groups. How can I blame them? There is a cognitive dissonance to not being expected to social distance inside a building, and then to be expected to social distance once outside a building.

Then there is the societal effect. Often I will hear adults justify their situations by saying. "If they can do it inside a school, why is it different for my business?"

[Clay Davis]

what's happening now it looks like the policy makers are confused. the economic cost of the lockdown was probably too much for the lives it saved. now, they are choosing to be more lenient, until it gets really out of hand. bringing back the province or the hotspots to a lower stage will be too costly economically.

people don't realize how much money had to be printed. like it long term **** the cities, province, and the country as a whole. now they are talking about taxing any gains on your principal residence. god knows whats next. now they are thinking about negative interest rates. more household debt on the way with cheap money.

this was probably the easiest thing to do. stay at home, stay in small groups, dont crowd. but people continued to do the opposite. we are so not ready for a more severe crisis. too **** selfish.

Honestly, there's so much money laundering that occurs in our real estate market that it's amazing how people aren't totally up in arms about it. I guess the boomers don't mind since the homes they bought for 50k 40 years ago have inflated in value to well over a mill, so they can just sell em and retire to Burlingtonwith $400k in the bank or some ****. I don't really mind them giving people money, since there's no way for a major segment of the population to be able to afford rent in this city with so many industries closed down.

The boomers do mind because they are stuck with adult children in their houses.

Lol, sadly those adult children aren't exactly keen on lining up to buy a 400k single bedroom condo, since those are the only things being made. Maybe they'd like to pay $700 to rent one among 6 rooms owned by some foreigner in North York, who was smart enough hire a good accountant and a good lawyer to find loopholes in their own capital outflow laws and our porous AML regulations. Are you actually naive enough to think home prices inflating 100% in the last 15 years is because of the strength of our economy? Wages haven't risen that much.

Fact is is that this city has San Francisco housing prices with people making Saskethewan wages.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The school situation caused this. Students are being told that being a meter, or closer, to a classmate in class is perfectly fine. When I drive by schools I see groups of students huddled together, or walking in tight groups. How can I blame them? There is a cognitive dissonance to not being expected to social distance inside a building, and then to be expected to social distance once outside a building.

Then there is the societal effect. Often I will hear adults justify their situations by saying. "If they can do it inside a school, why is it different for my business?"

The numbers were climbing before school started. We're still only talking about under 900 total cases in the school system, when we've been averaging over 500 cases a day provincially for weeks. It's certainly not helping, but I don't think it's because kids like to talk to each other outside.

While many people seem to be bitching about heavy-handed lockdowns, I do think it's necessary as a slap in the face to get people back into taking this seriously. Otherwise we'll just all sort of think it's someone else that's getting it until it's really out of hand.

[M3tro]

Honestly, there's so much money laundering that occurs in our real estate market that it's amazing how people aren't totally up in arms about it. I guess the boomers don't mind since the homes they bought for 50k 40 years ago have inflated in value to well over a mill, so they can just sell em and retire to Burlingtonwith $400k in the bank or some ****. I don't really mind them giving people money, since there's no way for a major segment of the population to be able to afford rent in this city with so many industries closed down.

The boomers do mind because they are stuck with adult children in their houses.

Lol, sadly those adult children aren't exactly keen on lining up to buy a 400k single bedroom condo, since those are the only things being made. Maybe they'd like to pay $700 to rent one among 6 rooms owned by some foreigner in North York, who was smart enough hire a good accountant and a good lawyer to find loopholes in their own capital outflow laws and our porous AML regulations. Are you actually naive enough to think home prices inflating 100% in the last 15 years is because of the strength of our economy? Wages haven't risen that much.

Fact is is that this city has San Francisco housing prices with people making Saskethewan wages.

Lots of vacancies in Oshawa.

I always find it funny when people complain about the real estate and rent prices in Toronto as though they're entitled to HAVE to live in the big city. London, Paris, New York, Tokyo and Shanghai all make Toronto look like a bargain.

You want to live in a world class city, but want to pay peanuts to do so. That's not how it works.

[jaymeister15]

Lol, the gym I go to has well over 60 people walking through its doors and hasn't had a single case. They invested thousands in covid-proofing their business and are now being dicked around.

I'm not even sure there have been any outbreaks caused by Gyms in any of these areas. I know there have been staff at a gym or people who have gone to a gym test positive, but has there been any cases of actual spreading within the gym?


From what I've seen, most gyms have taken the restrictions very seriously (and spent a lot of money to do so). It seems like the physical and mental health benefits of gyms being open far outweighs the minimal chance of spread with all the guidelines they were following.

[BigBoss23]

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[Basketball_Jones]

Lol how about they find a way to actually fine people breaking the rules. These dumb asses in these anti mask protests don’t get fined for crowding, or these kids at the car rallies, the beach parties, nothing is done but the businesses will get punished for their behaviour basically

[Clay Davis]

The boomers do mind because they are stuck with adult children in their houses.

Lol, sadly those adult children aren't exactly keen on lining up to buy a 400k single bedroom condo, since those are the only things being made. Maybe they'd like to pay $700 to rent one among 6 rooms owned by some foreigner in North York, who was smart enough hire a good accountant and a good lawyer to find loopholes in their own capital outflow laws and our porous AML regulations. Are you actually naive enough to think home prices inflating 100% in the last 15 years is because of the strength of our economy? Wages haven't risen that much.

Fact is is that this city has San Francisco housing prices with people making Saskethewan wages.

Lots of vacancies in Oshawa.

I always find it funny when people complain about the real estate and rent prices in Toronto as though they're entitled to HAVE to live in the big city. London, Paris, New York, Tokyo and Shanghai all make Toronto look like a bargain.

You want to live in a world class city, but want to pay peanuts to do so. That's not how it works.

Lol, we'll see how much of a 'world class city' this is when the demographic with the highest disposable income has to dedicate it to paying for shelter since the Bank of Canada thinks quantitative easing and suppressing mortgage rates at the height of a real estate bubble is a good idea

If you don't think housing is a major problem in this city and that it isn't concerning that the city in North America with the most cranes operating on building housing in North America is also the country in North America with the highest household debt:median income ratio, I really don't know what to say to you except to point out that you parrot platitudes on living in a 'world class city' which apparently means that there aren't egregious abuses of our real estate market.

Toronto's median income: rent ratio is notably worse than New York's. This isn't a world class city. We don't have the developed industries and financial sectors that any of those cities you listed do.

[ItsDanger]

900+ "cases" today. Given there is about 4500 a week now, thats enough to determine pattern of contact. Government has access to a lot of data, and I have NOT seen much at all about how people are infected.

[AbC?]

Man I'll be pissed if they close the gyms, they've been doing an incredible job keeping everything safe.
- Online booking for your timeslot, limited to 1 hour, limited capacity.
- Person at front desk checks you in, measures your body temp and makes you go over screening checklist
- Masks mandatory inside facility except for designated workout areas marked with tape
- Most machines have been removed for more distancing

And the people have been responsible too. Everyone is spraying down the equipment before/after use, following the mask rules, hell most people aren't taking their masks off at all.

[Clay Davis]

Man I'll be pissed if they close the gyms, they've been doing an incredible job keeping everything safe.
- Online booking for your timeslot, limited to 1 hour, limited capacity.
- Person at front desk checks you in, measures your body temp and makes you go over screening checklist
- Masks mandatory inside facility except for designated workout areas marked with tape
- Most machines have been removed for more distancing

And the people have been responsible too. Everyone is spraying down the equipment before/after use, following the mask rules, hell most people aren't taking their masks off at all.

Yup. The gym I've been going to hasn't had a single case and probably has over 200 different people there each week.

[Raps in 4]

The boomers do mind because they are stuck with adult children in their houses.

Lol, sadly those adult children aren't exactly keen on lining up to buy a 400k single bedroom condo, since those are the only things being made. Maybe they'd like to pay $700 to rent one among 6 rooms owned by some foreigner in North York, who was smart enough hire a good accountant and a good lawyer to find loopholes in their own capital outflow laws and our porous AML regulations. Are you actually naive enough to think home prices inflating 100% in the last 15 years is because of the strength of our economy? Wages haven't risen that much.

Fact is is that this city has San Francisco housing prices with people making Saskethewan wages.

Lots of vacancies in Oshawa.

I always find it funny when people complain about the real estate and rent prices in Toronto as though they're entitled to HAVE to live in the big city. London, Paris, New York, Tokyo and Shanghai all make Toronto look like a bargain.

You want to live in a world class city, but want to pay peanuts to do so. That's not how it works.

Most people living in Toronto work in Toronto. Commuting 3+ hours back and forth from work every day is a waste of life.

[Clay Davis]

Lol, sadly those adult children aren't exactly keen on lining up to buy a 400k single bedroom condo, since those are the only things being made. Maybe they'd like to pay $700 to rent one among 6 rooms owned by some foreigner in North York, who was smart enough hire a good accountant and a good lawyer to find loopholes in their own capital outflow laws and our porous AML regulations. Are you actually naive enough to think home prices inflating 100% in the last 15 years is because of the strength of our economy? Wages haven't risen that much.

Fact is is that this city has San Francisco housing prices with people making Saskethewan wages.

Lots of vacancies in Oshawa.

I always find it funny when people complain about the real estate and rent prices in Toronto as though they're entitled to HAVE to live in the big city. London, Paris, New York, Tokyo and Shanghai all make Toronto look like a bargain.

You want to live in a world class city, but want to pay peanuts to do so. That's not how it works.

Most people living in Toronto work in Toronto. Commuting 3+ hours back and forth from work every day is a waste of life.

Apparently it's not problematic that the bungalow in Etobicoke which costed $350,000 in 2001 and now costs 1.6 million since we're a "world class city". But hey, you can pay $400,000 for that same bungalow in the 'Shwa. Thank God for Spotify and the Joe Rogan Experience, you can actually improve yourself every day!

[DelAbbot]

900+ "cases" today. Given there is about 4500 a week now, thats enough to determine pattern of contact. Government has access to a lot of data, and I have NOT seen much at all about how people are infected.

This is the single biggest issue. Why hasn't gov/any institution break down the infection sources? Are the outbreaks coming from
-schools?
-dining in?
-gyms?
-casinos?

no one knows (at least publicly). It's causing confusion and frustration for businesses like some gyms that do extremely well to be covid-proof to bear the burden of shutdown when it's not even them that is causing the outbreak.

This lack of disclosure is alarming and points to policy makers being utterly lazy and behind.