Summer League Thread Part 2: Aug 11 GS @8pm TSN 4

will · Post #421 » by **will** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:50 am

720 wrote:Just posting a picture of Barnes for no reason other than I’m hype again after watching highlights.

Did he clap before or after?\ the pic was taken?

canada_dry · Post #422 » by **canada_dry** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:53 am

Risk101 wrote:Would Andre Iguadola be the best comparison to Barnes right now?

A 3 inches taller, 15 lb heavier (as a rookie) probably better playmaking -and playmaking was always one of iggys strengths- iggy. Yes. Fair comparison.

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Mehar · Post #423 » by **Mehar** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:53 am

douggood wrote:
Mehar wrote:
baller16 wrote:Supposedly people are saying Cade is 6'6 which is why he looks smaller than we all thought. But I swear he was listed as 6'8 in the scouting reports since last year though

Cade was 6 foot 8 in shoes. 6 foot 6 in socks. Same way how Scottie Barnes is referred to as a "6 foot 9" inch point guard, when he measured 6 foot 7 in socks.

i was watching the game, and he of course was wearing shoes and he looked small.

plus cade is listed 6'6""
and barnes 6'9" on the summer league site; so cade is 6'6" with shoes

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2021/vegas/team-rosters

Cade measured 6 foot 6 without shoes two years ago in his measurements, while representing Team USA. I believe it was the under 19 World Cup. He measured the same in Oklahoma State. I read an article before the start of the college basketball season, from one of the Oklahoma papers, where it referred to Cade as the next great combo guard- who measured 6 foot 6 without shoes on.

everdiso · Post #424 » by **everdiso** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:56 am

So we got the best player in the draft - not just best already right now, but most upside too.

Sweet.

Brettfinch · Post #425 » by **Brettfinch** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:57 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
Brettfinch wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Pascal was solid last season.
That's what I don't get, I keep hearing how bad pascal was. His numbers were solid. But everyone wants his head

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Board full of casuals

It's very simple, he isn't a number one option. But as a number 2 or 3 he's elite! I'm only trading siakam for a significant upgrade

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alienchild · Post #426 » by **alienchild** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:58 am

Barnes has an innate sense of where the plays are developing and he reacts to it. He always seems to be around the play. Helps with being in the right place at the right time. There's no stat for that, but it impacts winning. Leaders have it. Kyle passed the leadership to FVV. I think he's only keeping it warm before it moves again.

Brettfinch · Post #427 » by **Brettfinch** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:58 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Suggs will be good. He will likely be a high level starter for a decade or more.

The key question is, what's harder to find, a player with Suggs' skillset or Barnes' skillset?

Masai's proven to find talented PG's late in draft or undrafted.

You'll never find a prospect like Scottie where we usually draft. Thats the difference.

This

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Brettfinch · Post #428 » by **Brettfinch** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:59 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Suggs will be good. He will likely be a high level starter for a decade or more.

The key question is, what's harder to find, a player with Suggs' skillset or Barnes' skillset?

Masai's proven to find talented PG's late in draft or undrafted.

You'll never find a prospect like Scottie where we usually draft. Thats the difference.

Who even says suggs will be better than Flynn /s (kinda)

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Brettfinch · Post #429 » by **Brettfinch** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:01 am

Young_Buc wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Brettfinch wrote:That's what I don't get, I keep hearing how bad pascal was. His numbers were solid. But everyone wants his head

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Pascal being solid isn't the same as Pascal being an all star starter and 2nd team all NBA....

If he had the same numbers on a top 5 team he would have been. That's no cap either

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BillNyeBballGuy · Post #430 » by **BillNyeBballGuy** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:02 am

baller16 wrote:Jalen Green's scouting is reminding me of the same thing that happened to Luka, but not as bad because he was 2nd pick.

They were both putting up crazy numbers as 18-19 year olds in a grown man's league (Euro/G-League) and yet they were overlooked in the draft to some degree. Like it doesn't get any more obvious than that to know if a prospect is legit or not imo. Green is no doubt going to be a top 5 scorer in this league

I think Sengun is an even better example of that. Dominated a highly regarded men's league at age 18 and won MVP. Got selected 16th due to lack of scouting because of covid. He's going to be considered one of the biggest steals of the draft since he was taken after the lottery.

Another guy that should have gone earlier is Jericho Sims. Guys that big, athletic and mobile should not be a 58th pick. He has Dwight Howard potential on defense. On O he is a lob threat every single time. Big L not taking him with 1 of those b2b 2nds we had.

Sandman88 · Post #431 » by **Sandman88** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:03 am

Phezmo123 wrote:Scottie Barnes had a better debut than Cade Cunningham and Evan Mobley.

He had a better debut than green too, unless you’re just looking at points

Brettfinch · Post #432 » by **Brettfinch** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:05 am

Young_Buc wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Young_Buc wrote:
Pascal being solid isn't the same as Pascal being an all star starter and 2nd team all NBA....

Read above. I'm responding to him saying he needs a rebound year when that's not the case since he was very good as his numbers show.

He had all-star numbers but wasn't getting in because the team stunk.

Maybe rebound is the wrong term. But he was showing progression to being a top 15, top 10 player pre bubble. There was no question if he was more valuable than a player like Paul George for example. Tatum was a real debate between the 2.

So is pascal bad or he just hasn't and probably will never reach "your" unreasonable expectations? Accept he won't be a top 10 player.

And understand that the contract may be an overpay but but like others have said lots of players make Max money. Especially after winning a championship as a number 2.

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Post #433 » by **Reeko** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:05 am

alienchild wrote:Barnes has an innate sense of where the plays are developing and he reacts to it. He always seems to be around the play. Helps with being in the right place at the right time. There's no stat for that, but it impacts winning. Leaders have it. Kyle passed the leadership to FVV. I think he's only keeping it warm before it moves again.

Seriously. He'll be one of the leaders of the team before his rookie contract is up. It's like leadership is just ingrained into his character, he's always communicating on D and constantly talking to his teammates and letting them know what they should be doing. For as much praise as Suggs and Cade get for their BBIQ, I think Scottie might have them both beat in that department.

BillNyeBballGuy · Post #434 » by **BillNyeBballGuy** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:09 am

Flynn's shot looked really good man. If he can hit it like that in the regular season he should get some time as a starter.

720 · Post #435 » by **720** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:09 am

Anyone have that footage of his dunk that the ref didn’t count?

will · Post #436 » by **will** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:10 am

Reeko wrote:
alienchild wrote:Barnes has an innate sense of where the plays are developing and he reacts to it. He always seems to be around the play. Helps with being in the right place at the right time. There's no stat for that, but it impacts winning. Leaders have it. Kyle passed the leadership to FVV. I think he's only keeping it warm before it moves again.

Seriously. He'll be one of the leaders of the team before his rookie contract is up. It's like leadership is just ingrained into his character, he's always communicating on D and constantly talking to his teammates and letting them know what they should be doing. For as much praise as Suggs and Cade get for their BBIQ, I think Scottie might have them both beat in that department.

People are usually enamored with scoring.

will · Post #437 » by **will** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:11 am

BillNyeBballGuy wrote:Flynn's shot looked really good man. If he can hit it like that in the regular season he should get some time as a starter.

Last year, Papa Flynn's boy was getting nice, open looks. A lot of shots were not dropping.

As long as he is shooting with conviction and a sense of purpose, mo shats are gonna be falling for Flynn.

Risk101 · Post #438 » by **Risk101** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:13 am

His lockdown reminds me of Covid

Watch on YouTube

Bruin · Post #439 » by **Bruin** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:16 am

will wrote:
720 wrote:Just posting a picture of Barnes for no reason other than I’m hype again after watching highlights.

Did he clap before or after?\ the pic was taken?

Idk if you guys noticed but in this celebration after hitting that 3, he literally said “Bang b*tch” :lol:

Adopt_Me_Masai · Post #440 » by **Adopt_Me_Masai** » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:19 am

Adopt_Me_Masai wrote:The efficiency scores for the top 4 picks today (based on how FIBA calculates efficiency):

1. Scottie Barnes +23
2. Jalen Green +20
3. Cade Cunningham +7
4. Evan Mobley +3

how to calculate: +1 for every point, assist, rebound, block, steal;-1 for every FG missed, FT missed and turnover. Basically a way to aggregate who had the best overall box score. Obviously this stat doesn't take into account on-ball or team defense, screen setting etc but Barnes does well in all those areas that don't show up on the box score.

Some other rookie scores:

Jalen Johnson +23
Sharife Cooper +6
Kai Jones + 15
James Bouknight + 16
Josh Christopher +9
Alperen Sengun +25 (the best) :lol:

Jericho Sims +20
Quentin Grimes +8
Miles McBride +11
Luka Garza +9 outperformed Cade :nod:

Jeremiah Robinson-Earl +15
Tre Mann -2 (only player in the negatives lmao)