[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[alienchild]

This is not "nailing the pick" It's Swiss cheese.

Read on Twitter

?lang=en

[KenoP13]

I don't understand this at all... Everyone wants to trade our top wing defender with a developing offensive game at 24 years old. I think the ceiling is pretty high on OG.. And everyone wants to throw that away.. For Mo Bamba? Or the 7th pick in this shaky draft?

I think trading Siakam makes a lot more sense. His ceiling is already set it.. He is not a Lebron, Embiid, Curry type of talent. If you can get picks and promising players.. You do it.. Otherwise we are on a treadmill while Barnes patiently waits for more opportunities.

This rumor does not help his trade value either.. It looks like he is the odd man out.

Trading Pascal actually makes the least amount of sense because he’s our best player who is just entering his prime and plays such an important role on this team. We know at the very least he’s a 2nd option on a championship team. You don’t trade him for players that you hope to be as good as Pascal because the reality is it’s highly unlikely none of those picks or young prospects become as good as him.

It would also send the wrong message to players like Scottie and our other young players and could end up losing Scottie as a result. Players ultimately want to win and trading our best player would set this team back years.

I honestly can’t recall a time where trading an ALL-NBA talent entering his prime worked out for the teams that traded them.

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

[Syd-TK3]

The fact that the 7th pick + filler seems to be not enough for OG even from some Blazer fans is a good sign whether we are actually looking to trade him or not

[KenoP13]

Mathurin looks impressive.. But, he is projected to go number 5 in a shaky draft.. He could be a future star or the next Ben Macklemore.

[OakleyDokely]

I don't understand this at all... Everyone wants to trade our top wing defender with a developing offensive game at 24 years old. I think the ceiling is pretty high on OG.. And everyone wants to throw that away.. For Mo Bamba? Or the 7th pick in this shaky draft?

I think trading Siakam makes a lot more sense. His ceiling is already set it.. He is not a Lebron, Embiid, Curry type of talent. If you can get picks and promising players.. You do it.. Otherwise we are on a treadmill while Barnes patiently waits for more opportunities.

This rumor does not help his trade value either.. It looks like he is the odd man out.

Trading Pascal actually makes the least amount of sense because he’s our best player who is just entering his prime and plays such an important role on this team. We know at the very least he’s a 2nd option on a championship team. You don’t trade him for players that you hope to be as good as Pascal because the reality is it’s highly unlikely none of those picks or young prospects become as good as him.

It would also send the wrong message to players like Scottie and our other young players and could end up losing Scottie as a result. Players ultimately want to win and trading our best player would set this team back years.

I honestly can’t recall a time where trading an ALL-NBA talent entering his prime worked out for the teams that traded them.

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

If Barnes becomes an all-star in year 4, Siakam will be around the same age as Lowry when the Raptors won the championship.

You don't need all your players to be the same age, you just need a lot of good players.

[KenoP13]

Trading Pascal actually makes the least amount of sense because he’s our best player who is just entering his prime and plays such an important role on this team. We know at the very least he’s a 2nd option on a championship team. You don’t trade him for players that you hope to be as good as Pascal because the reality is it’s highly unlikely none of those picks or young prospects become as good as him.

It would also send the wrong message to players like Scottie and our other young players and could end up losing Scottie as a result. Players ultimately want to win and trading our best player would set this team back years.

I honestly can’t recall a time where trading an ALL-NBA talent entering his prime worked out for the teams that traded them.

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

If Barnes becomes an all-star in year 4, Siakam will be around the same age as Lowry when the Raptors won the championship.

You don't need all your players to be the same age, you just need a lot of good players.

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

[Bruin]

Dame liked this post. Also Scottie with the funny comment

[vulture]

Dame liked this post. Also Scottie with the funny comment

Dame works out with OG so I'm not surprised he's pushing for it.

[Madhouse]

As I've said many times before, unless an OG trade changes our team drastically, I don't think Masai does it. Based on Masai's history, he'll favor continuity and familiarity and patience, unless it is a no-brainer deal that moves us from a 3-6 team to a 1-2 team in the east. This was not a failed season or playoffs (e.g. Lebronto seasons), where a negative finish to the season forces tough decisions. They played incredible after the all star break, siakam has absolutely redeemed himself and then some, FVV was an all star until injuries hampered him, and Precious is looking like a stud. so i don't see it.

Running it back will solve absolutely nothing. We will just waste another season. Masai wants to create a dynasty.

It’s interesting you say that because the two teams in the finals this year are teams that have had their core together for a significant amount of time. Maybe there’s value in continuity if the players are worth investing in and based on how the first year of our retool went especially given how inexperienced our team still is, there is an argument to be made about keeping this core together and putting some specialist pieces around them (shooting, shot creation off the bench, defence at the rim).

Not really saying we have to trade OG but Golden State and Boston both had 2 lottery picks pretty closely together and let them grow.

Brown, Tatum 2016, 2017
Curry, Thompson 2009, 2011

That could be the angle you are looking at for doing such a trade.

[Jadoogar]

OG you don't trade man. This guy is a unicorn. He doesn't have that obnoxious demeanor, but he wins us games.

No one is untouchable maybe except for Scottie, but if you get a kings ransom you need to consider the trade.

Do people know what unicorn means? What differentiates OG for any other good 3+D wing? He's admittedly a very good defender and i really like him as a player but in no way is a unicorn.

[Bruin]

Dame liked this post. Also Scottie with the funny comment

Dame works out with OG so I'm not surprised he's pushing for it.

If Dame wants OG enough I’m sure Masai could fleece them for great value. Still doubt we’d trade OG though

[Madhouse]

Trading Trent into the top 10 is a long shot just because he only has 1 year left.

I'm hoping a team bites though.

OG and Trent going anywhere has really bad odds but that does not stop the media primed "inquiries" from TV land due south. Nothing and I mean nothing, to see here. Move along.

I think the odds that Trent just walks in 2023 to another team are higher than that he gets traded.

[OakleyDokely]

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

If Barnes becomes an all-star in year 4, Siakam will be around the same age as Lowry when the Raptors won the championship.

You don't need all your players to be the same age, you just need a lot of good players.

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

Barnes played 35 minutes, took 13 shots per game with almost a 20 usage as a rookie. He was also one of the leaders on the team in overall touches. He played a big role right from the start.

If he doesn't develop it won't be due to a lack of opportunity.

[MavCarter]

Lol what a load of ****. No one cares about what rival execs think. Masai just said at his end of season presser that he wishes he could find more OG's pascal and precious type players. He isnt trading OG

[brownbobcat]

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

Age 32 season and later:
Lowry - 2 AS appearance, 0 seasons of VORP > 3
Duncan - 5 AS appearance, 5 seasons of VORP > 3
Garnett - 4 AS appearance, 2 seasons of VORP > 3
Nowitzki - 4 AS appearance (excluding his "special" selection), 3 seasons of VORP > 3

Siakam's not those HOFer - less talented and he probably can't transition to C as easily. I think the bigger question, though, is what do you trade him for if you want to re-shuffle the timelines? I think a lotto pick could really backfire just as easily as losing him to age.

[Los_29]

I don't understand this at all... Everyone wants to trade our top wing defender with a developing offensive game at 24 years old. I think the ceiling is pretty high on OG.. And everyone wants to throw that away.. For Mo Bamba? Or the 7th pick in this shaky draft?

I think trading Siakam makes a lot more sense. His ceiling is already set it.. He is not a Lebron, Embiid, Curry type of talent. If you can get picks and promising players.. You do it.. Otherwise we are on a treadmill while Barnes patiently waits for more opportunities.

This rumor does not help his trade value either.. It looks like he is the odd man out.

Trading Pascal actually makes the least amount of sense because he’s our best player who is just entering his prime and plays such an important role on this team. We know at the very least he’s a 2nd option on a championship team. You don’t trade him for players that you hope to be as good as Pascal because the reality is it’s highly unlikely none of those picks or young prospects become as good as him.

It would also send the wrong message to players like Scottie and our other young players and could end up losing Scottie as a result. Players ultimately want to win and trading our best player would set this team back years.

I honestly can’t recall a time where trading an ALL-NBA talent entering his prime worked out for the teams that traded them.

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

Pascal is our best player and he just turned 28 years old. If you trade him you'll just be spending the next few years trying to get a player as good as he is. We didn't need to trade Lowry when he was 29 years old in 2015 and we don't need to trade Pascal. Pascal is an ALL-NBA caliber player who can easily be the 2nd option on a championship team.

Yes, it'd be great if Scottie became our franchise player but you don't force him to become one when he's not one at this point in time. And that also doesn't mean you trade everyone that is ahead of him on the pecking order. If Scottie truly becomes a franchise player then no moves will need to be made because he will take over the team and the other players will take on less responsibility.

I don't think people realize just how disastrous it is to trade ALL-NBA caliber players in their prime. It never works out and Scottie will be signing somewhere else in 3-4 years after numerous trips to the lottery because we traded our best players for picks and unproven prospects. LOL.

Trading ALL-NBA talent in their prime never happens because teams aren't dumb enough to trade them unless they request a trade LOL. Garnett and Pierce were in their mid-30's when they were dealt, not in their prime. The reason you don't see teams trade ALL-NBA players in their prime is because you're never going to get equal value for them. You can get back all the picks in the world but there is a 99% chance that those picks don't end up ever netting you a player as good as the player you are trading. The Garnett/Pierce trade was one of the worst trades in history simply because they were well past their prime and the Nets became a lottery team because of it. But if that trade was made even three years earlier, the Nets would've had some reasonably successful playoff runs and the Celtics would have never landed Brown and Tatum as they would've been picking in the late 20's instead of the high lottery.

Celtics are also a good example. They had Tatum/Brown but still went out and acquired Kyrie, signed Hayward and then when Kyrie wanted out they replaced him with Kemba. Notice how they not only didn't trade their best players but they actually went out and acquired more pieces. Do you think that hurt Tatum and Brown's development? I'd say it helped their development because they weren't given a ton of a responsibility earlier in their careers and were able to progress properly. Tatum/Brown don't know what it's like to lose. They've been a part of a winning culture their entire career.

[Tor_Raps]

The fact that the 7th pick + filler seems to be not enough for OG even from some Blazer fans is a good sign whether we are actually looking to trade him or not

Exactly... this exercise has taught me that we will get something damn good if we ever trade OG. I'd probably look to trade Trent before OG but things should always be on the table depending on the return.

[WuTang_CMB]

Trading Trent into the top 10 is a long shot just because he only has 1 year left.

I'm hoping a team bites though.

OG and Trent going anywhere has really bad odds but that does not stop the media primed "inquiries" from TV land due south. Nothing and I mean nothing, to see here. Move along.

I think the odds that Trent just walks in 2023 to another team are higher than that he gets traded.

Highly doubt that. Masai capitalizes on returns for major peices and GTJ is one.

[BBS22]

Almost no one on the Raptors is untouchable for the right deal.

Non story.

[Madhouse]

OG and Trent going anywhere has really bad odds but that does not stop the media primed "inquiries" from TV land due south. Nothing and I mean nothing, to see here. Move along.

I think the odds that Trent just walks in 2023 to another team are higher than that he gets traded.

Highly doubt that. Masai capitalizes on returns for major peices and GTJ is one.

That would mean you think GTJ gets traded considering him not being part 2023 and beyond are really decent given his UFA.

We'll see but I would be surprised if he gets traded.