[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Trading OG would be such a step back. Like offensive stars, defensive stars do not grow on trees. I've said this before, without a DPOY or close candidate, no team wins a title.

Yet most of tWo wants to trade away the one piece we actually need to get there one day. I would be shocked, if it weren't so typical.

Lmaoo who is saying they want to trade him, you're joking right? Everyone or most people want Fred gone and OG to stay. The only comments I've seen are with respect to OG wanting out. If he wants out I think people are right to want to maximize his returns even though they probably want him here.

The man flat out denied asking out. But alright, I just strongly doubt he's unhappy with his role given that he's been given every opportunity.

I mean didn't the FO say they aren't taking calls right now, then rumour that they are taking calls takes over as fact the next day? I dunno. Eveyrone WANTS to beleive he wants out seemingly.

And it's a 20 page thread, there's a lot of people seemginly!

What was OG gonna say? "Ya I want off the team." Everyone including the fans would hate him.. he had to lie he's not stupid. multiple reports say he wants out. Where there's smoke there's fire they've been trying to trade him since the summer.. just deal with it. It is what it is...

Also want to add defensive stars don't mean **** in this league it's all about scoring.. those are the best players in the league. OG ain't that guy. He's a role player.

[TorontoBarneys]

Cam, Poeltl and 2 1sts for OG would be a beastly return. Do the Spurs still get their 2 picks somehow that way, though?

[phanman]

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

With the way Pelinka has run the Lakers and the simple fact that Bron will be retired and Davis being older makes this an amazing gamble to make. We don't have to wait until the picks are rendered in order to dangle them in a trade along with our own FRPs to bring in the next disgruntled star. There is a reason why many talking heads herald these picks as arguably the most coveted FRPs in the game today.

Also is everybody ignoring the fact that both Fred and Trent are going going to be free agents next off season and are looking to sign a massive deals? I mean we already don't like the production they are giving us at their current salary, what makes you think we'll like it when you add 5-10 mil on top of that?

Plus we still have to extend OG (if he stays) and give Barnes his max lol.

The homerism is this thread is also off the charts. We aren't getting 3 FRPs for OG lol.

[Tor_Raps]

OG + fillers for Ayton + Pick
Fvv for Suggs + fillers
Re-sign Trent

Suggs
Trent
Barnes
Siakam
Ayton

Start sitting guys randomly so we can add a top 5 pick in 2023 to the above and we are good to go.

Ayton does not seem to care much about basketball, but is huge and gets paid an insane amount of money to do so and he complies. Suggs does not have a position and appears to not have a single NBA skill other then not being a wasteman on defense I suppose. This is literally the worst case scenario I could even pretend to dream up. Bravo sir.

Loll thank you. I am hoping for a scenario where we get talent that can produce as soon as next year while we can tank this year for rhe hope of Scoot/Wembenyama.

What would be your hopefully scenario?

[2019nbachamps]

Time to cash out on OG. He’s overrated by this board. Hopefully we also trade GTJ and FVV.

[kanersen]

I’m sure that’s what you want. I’m not sure that’s what will happen.

Fans would rather keep Sharpe in the hope that he becomes the next Blazer star than trade him for a high end roleplayer who wants more shots.

I don't see them moving Sharpe either.

You need some form of hope alive within the fanbase and Sharpe is that, regardless if he ends up being a JR Smith type player or a future all star.

Agreed.

I think he will end up somewhere between JR Smith and Zach Levine. Not bad, and possibly very good.

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Nice to see reasonable takes between 2 fan bases.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Cam, Poeltl and 2 1sts for OG would be a beastly return. Do the Spurs still get their 2 picks somehow that way, though?

The Spurs probably aren’t going to get that for him. The league has kind of figured it out with him - he can’t shoot and can’t hit free throws at a high enough clip to play him in big playoff situations. So that leaves him as really a nice regular season rotation piece and a situational defender in the playoffs - not worth two firsts. Especially when Mason Plumlee is probably available and is essentially the same player.

The Spurs went through this same thing a couple of years ago with him and he’s the same player as he was then. I think there’s even less of a chance now that they’re seriously interested in re-signing him, so to walk away with a first round pick out of him is the right move.

[WaltFrazier]

Trading OG would be such a step back. Like offensive stars, defensive stars do not grow on trees. I've said this before, without a DPOY or close candidate, no team wins a title.

Yet most of tWo wants to trade away the one piece we actually need to get there one day. I would be shocked, if it weren't so typical.

Lmaoo who is saying they want to trade him, you're joking right? Everyone or most people want Fred gone and OG to stay. The only comments I've seen are with respect to OG wanting out. If he wants out I think people are right to want to maximize his returns even though they probably want him here.

The man flat out denied asking out. But alright, I just strongly doubt he's unhappy with his role given that he's been given every opportunity.

I mean didn't the FO say they aren't taking calls right now, then rumour that they are taking calls takes over as fact the next day? I dunno. Eveyrone WANTS to beleive he wants out seemingly.

And it's a 20 page thread, there's a lot of people seemginly!

I've never felt as much on the same page with Jbball as right now. Not the TwO stuff but the actual OG stuff. Good posts

[Clutch0z24]

Well thought this would happen...OG been clearly wanting things to change with his role on the team for a while now and now its come to this where he wants out....

Can't blame OG though he thinks hes better than just Standing in the corners on offense....But with FVV/Siakam here it is basically impossible for OG to get that opportunity since them 2 are such high usage players...

For me if i was in charge i would have traded Siakam/FVV Since they are the 2 players not on the Barnes timeline...I seen OG/Barnes as the future of the Raptors but i guess that is not going to happen now...

Seems Masai wants to keep Siakam/FVV for the remainder of their careers here to be lifelong Raptors and keep trying to build around them 2...Which puts us in ultimate treadmill status but eh not much we can do now...

[CanadianBacon15]

OG + fillers for Ayton + Pick
Fvv for Suggs + fillers
Re-sign Trent

Suggs
Trent
Barnes
Siakam
Ayton

Start sitting guys randomly so we can add a top 5 pick in 2023 to the above and we are good to go.

Ayton does not seem to care much about basketball, but is huge and gets paid an insane amount of money to do so and he complies. Suggs does not have a position and appears to not have a single NBA skill other then not being a wasteman on defense I suppose. This is literally the worst case scenario I could even pretend to dream up. Bravo sir.

Loll thank you. I am hoping for a scenario where we get talent that can produce as soon as next year while we can tank this year for rhe hope of Scoot/Wembenyama.

What would be your hopefully scenario?

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

[Los_29]

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

With the way Pelinka has run the Lakers and the simple fact that Bron will be retired and Davis being older makes this an amazing gamble to make. We don't have to wait until the picks are rendered in order to dangle them in a trade along with our own FRPs to bring in the next disgruntled star. There is a reason why many talking heads herald these picks as arguably the most coveted FRPs in the game today.

Also is everybody ignoring the fact that both Fred and Trent are going going to be free agents next off season and are looking to sign a massive deals? I mean we already don't like the production they are giving us at their current salary, what makes you think we'll like it when you add 5-10 mil on top of that?

Plus we still have to extend OG (if he stays) and give Barnes his max lol.

The homerism is this thread is also off the charts. We aren't getting 3 FRPs for OG lol.

Trent Jr and Fred are giving them excellent production at their current salary. No one doesn't like the production they've given us in relation to the money they are getting. There is a reason why they are both going to get hefty raises on their next contract. It's because they've massively outproduced their current contracts. Wonder how Miami fans feel while they pay Duncan Robinson 18 million for the next three years. lol.

I understand the appeal but Lebron is likely going to retire within the next two years. They are going to likely have loads of cap space. They'd have about 2-3 years to get their team out of the lottery and that's not too difficult if they can recruit some solid players to play for them. Clippers are a much better franchise but they have shown that teams in their situation can be creative and add talent without necessarily having picks.

It's not homerism at all. It's literally what has been reported by numerous sources. lol.

[navyblue]

Ayton does not seem to care much about basketball, but is huge and gets paid an insane amount of money to do so and he complies. Suggs does not have a position and appears to not have a single NBA skill other then not being a wasteman on defense I suppose. This is literally the worst case scenario I could even pretend to dream up. Bravo sir.

Loll thank you. I am hoping for a scenario where we get talent that can produce as soon as next year while we can tank this year for rhe hope of Scoot/Wembenyama.

What would be your hopefully scenario?

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

[PerfectJab]

Outdated info. OG has pushed the timeline on that. Now you understand Nurse throwing management under the bus when it came tk OG being out for the entire road trip. Sounds like Nurse is on Team Klutch before he's on Team Raptors.

What did Nurse say?

He said he was surprised to hear that OG is out for the entire road trip. Clearly throwing management under the bus.

From the outside, his coaching and what management have been saying has never aligned. Then Shams said that Nurse has seen his fair share of friction and his status will be reassessed this offseason.

How is this clearly throwing management under the bus? Everything you are saying here is pure speculation referencing and framing situations you really have no idea about.

Cool story though, you may have been a WWF promoter in another life.

[2019nbachamps]

I think this is a blessing in disguise. OG is too limited offensively and also misses a good 20 games a season. He wants a larger offensive role but he hasn’t demonstrated the ability to take his offense to the next level. His current contract is good value but next one may be an overpay. Knowing our management we’ll try to trade him for 1-2 young guys under cap control plus a 1st.

[RonaldArtest]

For the folks who are saying we should target Ayton from the Suns, what do think of his motor/passion for the game? He has some skills and good size, but he seems to coast too much. Is it because he’s upset with the Suns and wants to play elsewhere? Or he just isn’t built like that? Pretty big red flag for me when guys look like they don’t care on the court.

[CanadianBacon15]

Loll thank you. I am hoping for a scenario where we get talent that can produce as soon as next year while we can tank this year for rhe hope of Scoot/Wembenyama.

What would be your hopefully scenario?

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

Best player by far on the trading block and teams are salivating for him. Nothing to come down to earth about here.

[Chandan]

Dyson Daniels + the Lakers pick is the dream scenario here.

Sharpe + UNP POR first would also be pretty great

Hoooo man. Imagine lebron and ad get hurt and they end up being bottom 6 team. You are we continue the tank and shut down Siakam. We somehow get into 5th worst.

Both us and Lakers jump into 1 and 2 positions.

Hoooo man.

Scoot
Gtj
Barnes
Siakam
Wemby

Let's goooo!

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please stop. i can only get so errect.

[Tor_Raps]

Loll thank you. I am hoping for a scenario where we get talent that can produce as soon as next year while we can tank this year for rhe hope of Scoot/Wembenyama.

What would be your hopefully scenario?

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

Ya, those trade suggestions make it seem like OG is a top 20 player. Regardless of what Zach Lowe says, we are getting nothing like a Donovan Mitchell like package. For 1, he's not close to the calibre of player and 2, he isn't locked up to a long term contract like Mitchell was.

Glad I was able to see your offers so I can dismiss your criticism lol.

[RapsFanInOhio]

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

With the way Pelinka has run the Lakers and the simple fact that Bron will be retired and Davis being older makes this an amazing gamble to make. We don't have to wait until the picks are rendered in order to dangle them in a trade along with our own FRPs to bring in the next disgruntled star. There is a reason why many talking heads herald these picks as arguably the most coveted FRPs in the game today.

Also is everybody ignoring the fact that both Fred and Trent are going going to be free agents next off season and are looking to sign a massive deals? I mean we already don't like the production they are giving us at their current salary, what makes you think we'll like it when you add 5-10 mil on top of that?

Plus we still have to extend OG (if he stays) and give Barnes his max lol.

The homerism is this thread is also off the charts. We aren't getting 3 FRPs for OG lol.

I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest three first round picks from the right team. Like, OG would be a pretty significant add for Phoenix and they have nothing to move outside of Cam Johnson, who is older and due for a raise this summer. That’s the kind of situation where that third pick might come into play pretty easily. Phoenix is heading towards treadmill territory, OG is a fantastic fit there, and they’ve got a lot of investment tied up into an older star. Especially this year with it being so wide open, OG is absolutely worth that to them.

Your middle of the pack, non-contenders aren’t going to pay that but someone like Phoenix might.

[navyblue]

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

Ya, those trade suggestions make it seem like OG is a top 20 player. Regardless of what Zach Lowe says, we are getting nothing like a Donovan Mitchell like package. For 1, he's not close to the calibre of player and 2, he isn't locked up to a long term contract like Mitchell was.

Glad I was able to see your offers so I can dismiss your criticism lol.

Zach lowe corrected him self, he said the return in terms of picks, not interms of players and picks.
Donovan got 3 future 1sts from a good projected team.