2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[SharoneWright]

Poeltl (+SRP) for Giddey (+salary filler).

OKC gets the size they need and ditch a piece that's not exactly fitting. Raptors get the "upside" and his *next contract becomes our problem, ala the Knicks with OG and the Pacers with Pascal. Giddey is the right age for us.

*(I'd actually try to work out a sign and trade where OKC rips up the last year of his rookie deal and re-signs him to ~4/80M that we inherit - matching Yak's salary - he makes about 8M next year, so this probably looks nice to him).

Just because Drake is our "official ambassador" doesn't mean we need to get someone who's equally problematic (allegedly) around underage girls.

And for Poeltl plus draft capital? Awful suggestion. Even if we ignore the hole at center this would open up, Giddey doesn't fill in any current issues on the roster unless you're relegating him to the bench as the 6th man-esque PG. Bad defender, bad shooter and did I mention the off-court controversy of his alleged relationship with a minor?

SRP = “ draft capital?”… lol. OK. Technically, sure. But he’s younger and so they probably want something extra. That’s really a minor detail.

Young asset. You don’t get those unless you buy low. It’s the shrewd play. Start building.

[CazOnReal]

SRP = “ draft capital?”… lol. OK. Technically, sure. But he’s younger and so they probably want something extra. That’s really a minor detail.

Young asset. You don’t get those unless you buy low. It’s the shrewd play. Start building.

""Asset""

Kiddey is getting benched in the playoffs because he's killing OKC's offense and defense, singlehandedly at that.

He's got notable off-court controversies that should not be ignored (frankly I consider his alleged behaviour enough to label Giddey a radioactive blight).

He's made zero progress on either end after his rookie season on a team that's been organically building its core.

Young asset? He's just young, just a bit ass. He's a disgusting "return" for Poeltl that, once again, is neither a good fit nor a good talent when doing so would create a massive hole in your otherwise center-less roster.

This suggestion is the kind of asset mismanagement that people would rightfully call out for being nonsensical were it to happen.

[SharoneWright]

SRP = “ draft capital?”… lol. OK. Technically, sure. But he’s younger and so they probably want something extra. That’s really a minor detail.

Young asset. You don’t get those unless you buy low. It’s the shrewd play. Start building.

""Asset""

Kiddey is getting benched in the playoffs because he's killing OKC's offense and defense, singlehandedly at that.

He's got notable off-court controversies that should not be ignored (frankly I consider them enough to consider Giddey a radioactive blight).

He's made zero progress on either end after his rookie season on a team that's been organically building its core.

Young asset? He's just young, just a bit ass. He's a disgusting "return" for Poeltl that, once again, is neither a good fit nor a good talent when doing so would create a massive hole in your otherwise center-less roster.

This suggestion is the kind of asset mismanagement that people would rightfully call out for being nonsensical were it to happen.

Seems like you would kick Giddey out of bed for eating crackers or shoot him straight in the face if you saw him walking down the sidewalk.

I don’t know though, a back court of Quickly, Barrett, Dick, and Giddey seems like it has some potentiality.

A front court of Barnes plus some creativity with picks and or cap space and or some patience could go places and be worth tuning in for. I’m looking 2-3 years out. And I’m still not missing Poeltl..

[CazOnReal]

Seems like you would kick Giddey out of bed for eating crackers or shoot him straight in the face if you saw him walking down the sidewalk.

As a rule of thumb, i'm not fond of adding alleged creeps to my sports teams, something you have consistently ignored.

It's not that complex, regardless of talent or lack thereof which, in Giddey's case, it's the latter.

The fact that Giddey has regressed in his 3rd season, may very well cost OKC their playoff hopes and is an awful fit in the backcourt next to Quickley due to Josh's bad defense and non-spacing only serves to reinforce that. Frankly, his lack of off-ball play would only serve to hamper developing Quickley's playmaking by taking the ball out of his hands.

[ArthurVandelay]

Two things on Giddey:

1) His trade value is at all-time low. He is a good basketball but he needs the ball in his hands. It's why he isn't doing well in OKC now as SGA is MVP talent. He wouldn't fit Toronto because then you're taking the ball away from Scottie and IQ.

2) The slurs against him is a bit much imo. These are the facts as I know them and if I'm wrong correct me. He was 19 at a bar and hooked up with a girl who was supposed to be of age in that bar but was younger. It was a one night stand. I have no doubt alcohol was involved for both. The family didn't press charges or cooperate with authorities in their investigation so that would appear to me at least it was consensual. For perspective, Kobe was 21 when he began his relationship with 17 year old Vanessa Bryant.

It’s understood Giddey and the girl in question had first connected at a nightclub, leading the NBA star to assume she was over 18, before allegations in the social media posts that she was only 16. Giddey was 19 at the time of the incident, which is reported to have occurred in 2021.

The Melbourne-born basketball star only briefly addressed the allegations when they first emerged and played on with the support of his team and its coaching staff.

“Yeah, I mean I understand the question obviously. But there’s no further comment right now,” Giddey said late last year about the allegations.

A Code Sports report in December shed more light on what occurred between Giddey and the young girl, revealing the pair had a very short relationship.

“It’s understood the girl lied about her age to gain access to a nightclub, where she interacted with Giddey, which has been confirmed via social media videos,” the report states.

“Multiple sources have confirmed it was a one-night encounter and was ended the next day when Giddey was made aware she was at high school.

“All parties involved thought the situation had been dealt with until the 21-year-old NBA star was made aware that videos and photos of the pair together may soon be leaked online.”

With the woman’s family reluctant to co-operate with police, a Californian legal expert said late last year any prosecution would be extremely difficult.

“You don’t see a lot of filings where the age gap is narrow,” Stephen Sitkoff, a defence lawyer who previously prosecuted sex crime cases in California, told CODE Sports.

“They’re the only two who know. If she’s uncooperative, it’s going to be difficult.”

While the age of consent in California, where the incident is believed to have taken place, is 18, someone accused of statutory rape is able to escape conviction if they reasonably believed the alleged victim was an adult.

Criminal defence lawyer Neil Shouse, a former prosecutor, told CODE Sports this could be successfully argued if the other person “claimed and appeared to be over 18”, carried a fake ID showing they were over 18, or was present in an adult venue like a bar or club.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/basketball/nba/no-surprise-lawyer-explains-why-police-couldnt-charge-josh-giddey-as-investigation-ends/news-story/14910c0c2d4adc2d400d8d982ec94d29

Anyways, I'm probably going to regret posting this.

[islandboy53]

Poeltl (+SRP) for Giddey (+salary filler).

OKC gets the size they need and ditch a piece that's not exactly fitting. Raptors get the "upside" and his *next contract becomes our problem, ala the Knicks with OG and the Pacers with Pascal. Giddey is the right age for us.

*(I'd actually try to work out a sign and trade where OKC rips up the last year of his rookie deal and re-signs him to ~4/80M that we inherit - matching Yak's salary - he makes about 8M next year, so this probably looks nice to him).

Just because Drake is our "official ambassador" doesn't mean we need to get someone who's equally problematic (allegedly) around underage girls.

And for Poeltl plus draft capital? Awful suggestion. Even if we ignore the hole at center this would open up, Giddey doesn't fill in any current issues on the roster unless you're relegating him to the bench as the 6th man-esque PG. Bad defender, bad shooter and did I mention the off-court controversy of his alleged relationship with a minor?

OKC don't need Poeltl - they have plenty of cap space to sign Hartenstein in FA. We, on the other hand, do need Poeltl as we develop this new group, and certainly don't need/want Giddey. A lot of posters are obsessed with the idea of tanking next year, which typically involves trading Poeltl, although the idea of sending draft capital with him is new. While I respect their right to want to be terrible next year, I think it's a bad plan. It's also something we can virtually guarantee won't happen.

[RaptorLakerJay]

Notice how to stop dominant big man like Embiid or Jokic, you need big bodies like Marc Gasol, KAT, Hartenstein, Horford.

Could Raps get Hartenstein in free agency? He's better than Jak and can get 100/4.

[Asif16]

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[CazOnReal]

More specifically, they reported the expectation is they'll only pick up Brown's option if they have a trade in place.

So they're not waiting until the deadline to move him.

[Red_Claw]

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I don't believe much of what Doug Ford says but if he is traded, don't expect much for him. Id even go so far to say we may have to give something up to get rid of him. And i only say that cause FO has a history of making ridiculous moves like that to please players.

What a mess. Still can't believe we didn't get a young player from Indy and saw more value in Bruce Brown. I saw from a mile away that he's a system player that excels with the talent around him. Coming here was only going to bring his value down.

[CazOnReal]

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I don't believe much of what Doug Ford says but if he is traded, don't expect much for him. Id even go so far to say we may have to give something up to get rid of him. And i only say that cause FO has a history of making ridiculous moves like that to please players.

What a mess. Still can't believe we didn't get a young player from Indy and saw more value in Bruce Brown. I saw from a mile away that he's a system player that excels with the talent around him. Coming here was only going to bring his value down.

Why would they need to give up anything for a guy they can just decline the player option to?

[Red_Claw]

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I don't believe much of what Doug Ford says but if he is traded, don't expect much for him. Id even go so far to say we may have to give something up to get rid of him. And i only say that cause FO has a history of making ridiculous moves like that to please players.

What a mess. Still can't believe we didn't get a young player from Indy and saw more value in Bruce Brown. I saw from a mile away that he's a system player that excels with the talent around him. Coming here was only going to bring his value down.

Why would they need to give up anything for a guy they can just decline the player option to?

Im personally not justifying it. Ive just seen a trend with FO where they give up valuable assets to get what they want and i don't think they are in tune with what they need. Which i think is more assets.

[Thaddy]

The Hawks are in an interesting position. They're under tax implications and will want to build around Young and Sarr.

Brown + Boucher is 34M in cap room. They don't have great picks to trade but Okongwu might be available.

Brown + Boucher for Hunter and Okongwu? We get skilled size and they save money while getting playable rotation pieces.

Poeltl - Okongwu
Hunter - Olynyk - Klintman (31)
Barnes - Agbaji
Barrett - Dick
Quickely - Collier (19)

If they think Okongwu is worth more than a pick they can send him to a 3rd team and split the picks with us for offloading Hunter.

[redraptor77]

Guys. Guys. This is Doug smith. lol. This means Brown will stay and sign an extension.

[navyblue]

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I don't believe much of what Doug Ford says but if he is traded, don't expect much for him. Id even go so far to say we may have to give something up to get rid of him. And i only say that cause FO has a history of making ridiculous moves like that to please players.

What a mess. Still can't believe we didn't get a young player from Indy and saw more value in Bruce Brown. I saw from a mile away that he's a system player that excels with the talent around him. Coming here was only going to bring his value down.

Brown was the matching salary, not the main asset. 3 picks and fillers was the trade.

[DreamTeam09]

The Hawks are in an interesting position. They're under tax implications and will want to build around Young and Sarr.

Brown + Boucher is 34M in cap room. They don't have great picks to trade but Okongwu might be available.

Brown + Boucher for Hunter and Okongwu? We get skilled size and they save money while getting playable rotation pieces.

Poeltl - Okongwu
Hunter - Olynyk - Klintman (31)
Barnes - Agbaji
Barrett - Dick
Quickely - Collier (19)

If they think Okongwu is worth more than a pick they can send him to a 3rd team and split the picks with us for offloading Hunter.

They are not trading Okongwu
We don't know who they wanna build around, they might trade Trae, which looks like the most likely outcome.
Capella, Hunter & Young is who they would be trading

[Psubs]

OKC gets: Poeltl and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)

GS gets: Giddey, Boucher and McDaniels (waive)

Toronto gets: Wiggins, Moody and future 1st pick (GS)

[CazOnReal]

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I don't believe much of what Doug Ford says but if he is traded, don't expect much for him. Id even go so far to say we may have to give something up to get rid of him. And i only say that cause FO has a history of making ridiculous moves like that to please players.

What a mess. Still can't believe we didn't get a young player from Indy and saw more value in Bruce Brown. I saw from a mile away that he's a system player that excels with the talent around him. Coming here was only going to bring his value down.

Brown was the matching salary, not the main asset. 3 picks and fillers was the trade.

The disrespect to Raptors Legends Kira Lewis Jr and Jordan Nwora.

[Mark_83]

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Contrary to the article I think he's more valuable before his 22M option is exercised. A team can trade a contract they want off the books for Brown, decline his option prior to the 29th, and free up 22 million in cap space prior to free agency.

Contracts teams may be looking to offload:

DeAndre Hunter, ATL (3 more years @ 20M)
Dillon Brooks, HOU (3 more years @ 22M)
Clint Capela, ATL (1 more years @ 20M)
Lonzo Ball, CHI (1 more year @ 20.5M)
Nikola Vucevic, CHI (2 more years @ 18.5M)
Duncan Robinson, MIA (2 more years @ 18M)
Tim Hardaway Jr, DAL (1 more year @ 17.8M)
Jonathan Isaac, ORL (1 more year @ 17.4M)
Harrison Barnes, SAC (2 more years @ 17M)
Davis Bertains, CHO (1 more year @ 17M)
Kevin Huerter, SAC (2 more years @ 15.7M)
Max Strus, CLE (3 more years @ 14.5M)
Brandon Clarke, MEM (3 more years @ 12.5M)
Grant Williams, CHO (3 more years @ 12.3M)

The following trades work in the trade checker:

Brown to Atlanta for Hunter + Bufkin + 2025 FRP

or

Brown to Atlanta for Capela + Bufkin + Gueye

Brown to Sacramento for Barnes + Davion + Colby Jones + pick 13

Brown to Chicago for Ball + Phillips + Terry + pick 11

Brown + pick 19 to Memphis for Clarke + Ziaire + pick 9

[ArthurVandelay]

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Contrary to the article I think he's more valuable before his 22M option is exercised. A team can trade a contract they want off the books for Brown, decline his option prior to the 29th, and free up 22 million in cap space prior to free agency.

Contracts teams may be looking to offload:

DeAndre Hunter, ATL (3 more years @ 20M)
Dillon Brooks, HOU (3 more years @ 22M)
Clint Capela, ATL (1 more years @ 20M)
Lonzo Ball, CHI (1 more year @ 20.5M)
Nikola Vucevic, CHI (2 more years @ 18.5M)
Duncan Robinson, MIA (2 more years @ 18M)
Tim Hardaway Jr, DAL (1 more year @ 17.8M)
Jonathan Isaac, ORL (1 more year @ 17.4M)
Harrison Barnes, SAC (2 more years @ 17M)
Davis Bertains, CHO (1 more year @ 17M)
Kevin Huerter, SAC (2 more years @ 15.7M)
Max Strus, CLE (3 more years @ 14.5M)
Brandon Clarke, MEM (3 more years @ 12.5M)
Grant Williams, CHO (3 more years @ 12.3M)

The following trades work in the trade checker:

Brown to Atlanta for Hunter + Bufkin + 2025 FRP

or

Brown to Atlanta for Capela + Bufkin + Gueye

Brown to Sacramento for Barnes + Davion + Colby Jones + pick 13

Brown to Chicago for Ball + Phillips + Terry + pick 11

Brown + pick 19 to Memphis for Clarke + Ziaire + pick 9

Mods need to take my suggestion on sticky the brown trade rules

His option needs to be picked up before he can be traded

Brown cannot be traded and then have his option declined

This has been posted dozens of times by numerous posters
The fact