With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

djsunyc · Post #421 » by **djsunyc** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:05 am

ChillRelaxDude wrote:can he be our own Boris Diaw?

right now i see a rookie level siakam that can grab the board and go. have no clue about his finishing ability at the rim tho.

MEDIC · Post #422 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:25 pm

djsunyc wrote:
ChillRelaxDude wrote:can he be our own Boris Diaw?

right now i see a rookie level siakam that can grab the board and go. have no clue about his finishing ability at the rim tho.

Good comp. I think Siakam had the better motor, but I can see it.

Siakam had an insane work ethic & completely transformed his game.

That's basically what it comes down to with this kid. Work. Is he goal oriented? Does he have a vision of what he wants to become? Does he have the work ethic to get there?

So far I haven't seen any skill that is NBA level. His handles are good enough for a PF, but that doesn't really take you anywhere. He definitely has an NBA body and athleticism though.

Hopefully he goes to the GLeague & gets super aggressive going end to end. Siakam is a good example of what he should be striving for.

Dalek · Post #423 » by **Dalek** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:46 pm

I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

OakleyDokely · Post #424 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:47 pm

Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

He posted almost the same numbers against teams in the top conferences.

Mogbo vs the major conferences (ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, SEC, Pac 12)

5 GMS, 31.0 MIN, 14.4 PPG, 8.6 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.4 STL, 0.6 BLK, 62.7 FG%, 0.00 3PT%, 66.7 FT%

ItsDanger · Post #425 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:06 pm

Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

He hasn't been very impressive so far in summer league. You wonder what kind of role he'll have in the league.

PushDaRock · Post #426 » by **PushDaRock** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:27 pm

Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

Not that Summer League numbers especially over such a tiny sample size matter, but in his 25 minutes of play, he has 7 points (60% FG), 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 1 block and is a +18. What exactly were you expecting that this kind of stat line is that disappointing?

OakleyDokely · Post #427 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:29 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

Not that Summer League numbers especially over such a tiny sample size matter, but in his 25 minutes of play, he has 7 points (60% FG), 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 1 block and is a +18. What exactly were you expecting that this kind of stat line is that disappointing?

especially considering summer league is geared more towards scoring guards/wings. It's hard to really evaluate bigs in this type of structure.

OakleyDokely · Post #428 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:33 pm

Summer League Numbers (2 game total):

25.9 MINS, 7 PTS, 7 REBS, 4 AST, 1 BLK, 1 STL, 60FG, +18

PushDaRock · Post #429 » by **PushDaRock** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:39 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

Not that Summer League numbers especially over such a tiny sample size matter, but in his 25 minutes of play, he has 7 points (60% FG), 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 1 block and is a +18. What exactly were you expecting that this kind of stat line is that disappointing?

especially considering summer league is geared more towards scoring guards/wings. It's hard to really evaluate bigs in this type of structure.

Yeah, he's not someone that forces his game off. Still, he's flashed a few things out there. He had a nice finish off a dump off in close quarters at a weird angle that many bigs wouldn't necessarily be coordinated enough to finish. He also had a real nice drive with a euro step finish. He's also grabbed a few contested rebounds out there, he's way up there when he jumps and with his wingspan, he should be able to grab his fair share of out of area rebounds.

LXTSN · Post #430 » by **LXTSN** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:52 pm

I really like what I've seen from Mogbo so far. I think he needs to improve on defence because that's really where guys with his measurables succeed.
He seems to have a good feel for the game and I think he can play the Draymond Green type of offensive role (initiating plays) but he needs to show something on defence too.
Just to note, he has a 9'0.5" standing reach, which is somehow only 1.5" lower than Saar's reach and a few inches more than Draymond Green. That's really how we should be measuring bigs right? Who cares how tall the top of your head is...

MEDIC · Post #431 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:55 pm

Watch on YouTube

Some NBA level skill on display.

Dalek · Post #432 » by **Dalek** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:11 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

Not that Summer League numbers especially over such a tiny sample size matter, but in his 25 minutes of play, he has 7 points (60% FG), 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 1 block and is a +18. What exactly were you expecting that this kind of stat line is that disappointing?

He had one board last night against a normal size team. Against 6'5 and under team he got a few boards. It remains to be seen if he will be a high level rebounder.

OakleyDokely · Post #433 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:14 pm

Dalek wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

Not that Summer League numbers especially over such a tiny sample size matter, but in his 25 minutes of play, he has 7 points (60% FG), 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 1 block and is a +18. What exactly were you expecting that this kind of stat line is that disappointing?

He had one board last night against a normal size team. Against 6'5 and under team he got a few boards. It remains to be seen if he will be a high level rebounder.

I mean, he got injured and played only 9 minutes.

Before that injury, he had 5 pts, 1 reb, 1 blk, 1 ast and was +10 in those 9 minutes.

Stromile12 · Post #434 » by **Stromile12** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:19 pm

Mogbo had a nice euro step and finish through traffic before he got injured

Badonkadonk · Post #435 » by **Badonkadonk** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:23 pm

MEDIC wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Some NBA level skill on display.

Why draft the low ceiling guy when you can find UDFAs like Branden Carlson later? I like taking a swing at a guy like Mogbo in the 2nd round where the variance in outcomes is so dramatic.

TheGeneral99 · Post #436 » by **TheGeneral99** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:37 pm

LXTSN wrote:I really like what I've seen from Mogbo so far. I think he needs to improve on defence because that's really where guys with his measurables succeed.
He seems to have a good feel for the game and I think he can play the Draymond Green type of offensive role (initiating plays) but he needs to show something on defence too.
Just to note, he has a 9'0.5" standing reach, which is somehow only 1.5" lower than Saar's reach and a few inches more than Draymond Green. That's really how we should be measuring bigs right? Who cares how tall the top of your head is...

Just for reference, Draymond was very impressive during the 2012 summer league where he averaged 12ppg, 14rpg and 3apg in just 25 minutes.

Draymond was also levels ahead offensively and actually looked relatively polished.

Watch on YouTube

MEDIC · Post #437 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:42 pm

Mogbo may not be showing his potential yet. Might be just getting comfortable. Not much has caught my eye yet, but I am pulling for him. Hopefully Mogbo and Shead can gain some chemistry playing on the 905 & find a rhythm.

Honestly though, UC has me more intrigued (which I didn't think would be the case).

PushDaRock · Post #438 » by **PushDaRock** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:51 pm

Dalek wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Dalek wrote:I think he is probably the worst of the picks and probably wasn't going to be picked high despite the mocks.

He is so unskilled and it showed against a bigger Nuggets team.

Where was the rebounding? Defense was spotty, too. I have no idea what this guy is supposed to be good at and now he is likely done SL after a weird fall. I hope he has a big summer of development but I can't see this guy in a rotation.

Even Enrique Freeman who had a similar path and game is way more impactful than Mogbo. Mogbo just looks like a guy who got drafted because he was fed the ball at the rim against a bunch of Uber drivers.

Not that Summer League numbers especially over such a tiny sample size matter, but in his 25 minutes of play, he has 7 points (60% FG), 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 1 block and is a +18. What exactly were you expecting that this kind of stat line is that disappointing?

He had one board last night against a normal size team. Against 6'5 and under team he got a few boards. It remains to be seen if he will be a high level rebounder.

lol he played 9 minutes, surely you don't believe he would only average 4 rebounds per 36 as this would indicate.

YogurtProducer · Post #439 » by **YogurtProducer** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:53 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:
LXTSN wrote:I really like what I've seen from Mogbo so far. I think he needs to improve on defence because that's really where guys with his measurables succeed.
He seems to have a good feel for the game and I think he can play the Draymond Green type of offensive role (initiating plays) but he needs to show something on defence too.
Just to note, he has a 9'0.5" standing reach, which is somehow only 1.5" lower than Saar's reach and a few inches more than Draymond Green. That's really how we should be measuring bigs right? Who cares how tall the top of your head is...

Just for reference, Draymond was very impressive during the 2012 summer league where he averaged 12ppg, 14rpg and 3apg in just 25 minutes.

Draymond was also levels ahead offensively and actually looked relatively polished.

Watch on YouTube

Draymond was also a second year player in the 2012 summer league.

In 2011, Draymond averaged 6.4ppg, 7.6rpb, 1.6apg on a BLISTERING 26% from the field.

And anyways... I just checked and Draymond put up 13/7/2 on 31% shooting in 2012. Not sure where you got 12/14/3 form.

PushDaRock · Post #440 » by **PushDaRock** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:56 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:
LXTSN wrote:I really like what I've seen from Mogbo so far. I think he needs to improve on defence because that's really where guys with his measurables succeed.
He seems to have a good feel for the game and I think he can play the Draymond Green type of offensive role (initiating plays) but he needs to show something on defence too.
Just to note, he has a 9'0.5" standing reach, which is somehow only 1.5" lower than Saar's reach and a few inches more than Draymond Green. That's really how we should be measuring bigs right? Who cares how tall the top of your head is...

Just for reference, Draymond was very impressive during the 2012 summer league where he averaged 12ppg, 14rpg and 3apg in just 25 minutes.

Draymond was also levels ahead offensively and actually looked relatively polished.

Watch on YouTube

lol those weren't his actual numbers, they were his per 48 numbers. He put up 6.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.6 apg with 2.4 tov on 28% shooting and 20% from 3 in 26 mpg. Not sure I would call that very impressive.