2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[Mr Swagtastic]

Just a sake of trading....

Toronto is stealing massive amounts of value no way do they get both Ingram and Jones for Boucher, Brown and Olynyk. New Orleans would say no and Miami also says no

[Raptorfan2012]

Toronto gets: NAW
Minnesota gets: Davion Mitchell and cash

Minnesota might not be ale to afford and increase in salary to NAW this summer, while Mitchell provides defense and is cost controlled.

This would be a last minute trade after Minnesota has shed some salary.

Need to find a way to free Leonard Miller from the Wolves as well.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Bruce and Davion (or Boucher) for Ingram.

New Orleans saves about $6.5M (or save $2.2M)

Convert Battle to a standard contract.


Or
Raptors get:
Ingram, Wiggins, Matković
-Take on $11 Million

Warriors get:
Bruce, Kelly

Pelicans get:
Davion, Boucher, Mitchell, Payton II, Waters
-Save about $10 Million

Add picks where you see fit.

How does Toronto afford that team going forward? Your going have to resign Ingram to a new extension and he's going to want something in the RJ Barrett or Wiggins neighbourhood per year if not more. Also look at the team after, the depth chart looks like this

PG: Quickley/Shead/Walter
SG: RJ Barrett/Dick/Shead
SF: Ingram/Wiggins/Battle
PF: Barnes/Agbaji/Comche
C: Poeltl/Mogbo/Robinson

You have Wiggins on bench making $25 million a year no depth at your C and PG and are hard capped trying to sign a free agent.

I also doubt New Orleans trades Ingram for that anyways

[YogurtProducer]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

[PhilBlackson]

Bruce and Davion (or Boucher) for Ingram.

New Orleans saves about $6.5M (or save $2.2M)

Convert Battle to a standard contract.


Or
Raptors get:
Ingram, Wiggins, Matković
-Take on $11 Million

Warriors get:
Bruce, Kelly

Pelicans get:
Davion, Boucher, Mitchell, Payton II, Waters
-Save about $10 Million

Add picks where you see fit.

How does Toronto afford that team going forward? Your going have to resign Ingram to a new extension and he's going to want something in the RJ Barrett or Wiggins neighbourhood per year if not more. Also look at the team after, the depth chart looks like this

PG: Quickley/Shead/Walter
SG: RJ Barrett/Dick/Shead
SF: Ingram/Wiggins/Battle
PF: Barnes/Agbaji/Comche
C: Poeltl/Mogbo/Robinson

You have Wiggins on bench making $25 million a year no depth at your C and PG and are hard capped trying to sign a free agent.

I also doubt New Orleans trades Ingram for that anyways

Not that it changes the math but I’d have Wiggins start and RJ off the bench lol just sayin.

Improves the starting lineups’ defence (substantially), he’s a better floor spacer for Scottie & Yak. On the flip side I think RJ is almost ideal as an elite 6th man that just comes in, brings the energy and is free to go off plus help play BI in shorter durations as the first guy off the bench to hopefully better maintain Ingram’s health.

But anyways, yeah I don’t think they could keep RJ long term but that may be perfect as well as we could package him with picks for another star player or just flip him for more good depth.

[sidsid]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

[YogurtProducer]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

Don't think we would move Jak for just a late pick, let alone Jak AND Boucher AND Ochai.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

If Toronto isn't getting Reaves or Lively then they cut out LA and Dallas and just do the New Orleans deal. I mam wry would they give up Poeltl and Mitchell for Rui? Nobody is giving you anything good for Rui if they were LA would have moved him already

[Raptors_128]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

I was actually just thinking about the Dick for Lively trade.

It definitely balances out both rosters.

[Lord_Zedd]

Sign me up for a Dick/Lively swap, but I don't think Dallas does it.

I'd be fearing for Nico at that point, especially when he said they value defense the most. And AD is hellbent on being a PF, now that he has two C's

[sidsid]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

Don't think we would move Jak for just a late pick, let alone Jak AND Boucher AND Ochai.

I'm not sure what BI is supposed to get in return, but I'm thinking it's the same as Lavine: 1 pick. Reaves fulfills that for them.

I'm trying to gauge what would be the acceptable return for those other teams. Remembering that Ainge couldn't get that full pick unprotected from the Lakers with Conley and stuff going the other way. And Reaves to them isn't flotsam.

BI - and Rui I guess - and a quality first (whatever you think the odds are with Luka now) without sending out our own future picks seems like the win Masai would accept.

To be clear, I think the BI idea is absurd to begin with.

[Psubs]

Lakers traded for DFS. What would you trade for Jared Vanderbilt?

Davion Mitchell for Jared Vanderbilt, 2025 2nd pick (LAL) and cash?

This gets the Lakers well enough under the 2nd tax apron that they could pick up a buy out vet.


Then flip 2025 2nd pick (LAL) with Olynyk or Boucher for a 1st pick.

[YogurtProducer]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

If Toronto isn't getting Reaves or Lively then they cut out LA and Dallas and just do the New Orleans deal. I mam wry would they give up Poeltl and Mitchell for Rui? Nobody is giving you anything good for Rui if they were LA would have moved him already

Other one I played around with

TOR IN - Edey + Smart + Ingram
TOR OUT - Poeltl + Agbaji + Brown + Boucher + Mitchell

MEM IN - Poeltl + Agbaji + Mitchell
MEM OUT - Edey + Smart

NOP IN - Brown + Boucher (and picks to balance)
NOP OUT - Ingram

Swap Gradey Dick and Lively

IQ/Smart/Shead
Barrett/Walter
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/Olynyk/Mogbo
Edey/Lively

12 guys + Temple. Room to get 2 more guys for the rest of the year. Add our two picks this year, and sign a FA to get to 15 for next year.

[sidsid]

Just messing around this morning. Obviously picks to balance out value is required.

NOP IN - Brown / Boucher
NOP OUT - Ingram

TOR IN - Ingram / Hachimura / Reaves / Lively
TOR OUT - Brown / Boucher / Poelt/ Mitchell / Dick

LAL IN - Poeltl / Mitchell
LAL OUT - Reaves / Hachimura

DAL IN - Dick
DAL OUT - Lively

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Reaves/Agbaji/Walter
Ingram/Hachimura/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Lively/Olynyk

Tank rest of year with Ingram/Lively/Quickley injured

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

If Toronto isn't getting Reaves or Lively then they cut out LA and Dallas and just do the New Orleans deal. I mam wry would they give up Poeltl and Mitchell for Rui? Nobody is giving you anything good for Rui if they were LA would have moved him already

NO will want compensation. They're not just taking expirings. Which means someone is giving them a first or a quality player who is cheaper.

Rebuilding teams like us should absolutely not be sending out future firsts - I hope the FO has learned it's lesson with the Jak trade - so that means something has to give.

The direct trade that makes sense is swapping him for RJ. If we're not doing that, the 3 team approach is how it gets done.

[YogurtProducer]

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

If Toronto isn't getting Reaves or Lively then they cut out LA and Dallas and just do the New Orleans deal. I mam wry would they give up Poeltl and Mitchell for Rui? Nobody is giving you anything good for Rui if they were LA would have moved him already

NO will want compensation. They're not just taking expirings. Which means someone is giving them a first or a quality player who is cheaper.

Rebuilding teams like us should absolutely not be sending out future firsts - I hope the FO has learned it's lesson with the Jak trade - so that means something has to give.

The direct trade that makes sense is swapping him for RJ. If we're not doing that, the 3 team approach is how it gets done.

Sending out future first is entirely fine with adequate protections.

[YogurtProducer]

Sign me up for a Dick/Lively swap, but I don't think Dallas does it.

I'd be fearing for Nico at that point, especially when he said they value defense the most. And AD is hellbent on being a PF, now that he has two C's

He did fracture his ankle like a week ago, so he might be done all year.

Besides, they got Gafford as well. I cannot see AD playing zero 5 either, which means between AD/Gafford/Lively they would be a little strong at the 5 (plus small ball PJ Washington)

[Tripod]

Sending Reaves as the value to NOP makes more sense. If the Lakers are doing this type of role player trade, they need to plug all the holes like they did with the Utah trade a few years ago

You can get them Jak/Boucher/Ochai and we get the last 1st they have left. Works by throwing in mins with Reddish/Wood.

NOP gets Brown/Reaves. We come out ahead with a pick. You're just looking to move Rui to another team if you can.

Edit: the Mavs trade likely doesn't happen, but it's ancillary here anyway. The meat is that 3 team trade

If Toronto isn't getting Reaves or Lively then they cut out LA and Dallas and just do the New Orleans deal. I mam wry would they give up Poeltl and Mitchell for Rui? Nobody is giving you anything good for Rui if they were LA would have moved him already

Other one I played around with

TOR IN - Edey + Smart + Ingram
TOR OUT - Poeltl + Agbaji + Brown + Boucher + Mitchell

MEM IN - Poeltl + Agbaji + Mitchell
MEM OUT - Edey + Smart

NOP IN - Brown + Boucher (and picks to balance)
NOP OUT - Ingram

Swap Gradey Dick and Lively

IQ/Smart/Shead
Barrett/Walter
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/Olynyk/Mogbo
Edey/Lively

12 guys + Temple. Room to get 2 more guys for the rest of the year. Add our two picks this year, and sign a FA to get to 15 for next year.

And we never take a 3 pointer again

[Thaddy]

Dick for Lively should be the deal we should be pursuing.

Poeltl - Lively - Chomche
Barnes - Mogbo
Barrett - Battle
Agbaji - Walter
IQ - Shead

That's the line up I would be moving forward with next season. We would have enough front court depth to move Poeltl to the highest bidder and we can develop Lively and Chomche over the years to build the best defense in the league.

[TheRaptor!]

Sign me up for a Dick/Lively swap, but I don't think Dallas does it.

I'd be fearing for Nico at that point, especially when he said they value defense the most. And AD is hellbent on being a PF, now that he has two C's

AD/PJ
Gafford/Lively

is elite, but the roster is not balanced.

[TheRaptor!]

Sign me up for a Dick/Lively swap, but I don't think Dallas does it.

I'd be fearing for Nico at that point, especially when he said they value defense the most. And AD is hellbent on being a PF, now that he has two C's

AD/PJ
Gafford/Lively

is elite, but the roster is not balanced.

Perhaps we need to sweeten the deal with giving them Bruce as well and getting back some scraps.