Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[ash_k]

I don't like MKG for this team. He's a great fit for the Jazz or NOLA but MKG is a guy who doesn't have any definitive skills..much like DeRozan in that regard. We need a guy who has talents that can be a part of the overall plan for this team.

Right now the guys in the lotto who interest me are:

Davis
Drummond *gulp*
Barnes
Beal
Lamb
Miller

These guys are the best mix of star potential/skills/fit that the draft has to offer to us IMO.

You have Beal ahead of Lamb on your board?

[fredericklove]

I don't like MKG for this team. He's a great fit for the Jazz or NOLA but MKG is a guy who doesn't have any definitive skills..much like DeRozan in that regard. We need a guy who has talents that can be a part of the overall plan for this team.

Right now the guys in the lotto who interest me are:

Davis
Drummond *gulp*
Barnes
Beal
Lamb
Miller

These guys are the best mix of star potential/skills/fit that the draft has to offer to us IMO.

So now you're comparing MKG to the one-dimensional Derozan? Great. Just great.

[Mediocrity]

Say no to Perry Jones!

This. MKG will eat his lunch.

6'11 with a 7'2 Wingspan and a big body

vs

6'7 with a 6'10 Wingspan and wiry. Both Forwards.

PJ3 is a Small Forward at the next level, you will see!

Which one would rather risk on?

My money is on the 1st aforementioned (as an understatement)

What do you see in Jones? I see a player that frequently does not show up, and routinely get's abused and out-muscled. I believe that on draft night a team is going to fall in love with his "potential" and will pick him possibly top-five, and regret it down the road. Jones will be a 4 in the NBA, that I am sure of. If we are going to pick a 4, I would much rather go with Robinson.

[TheRealDeal]

I like a lot of things about Jeremy Lamb's game, including his pretty looking stroke, but he really needs to improve his 3-pt percentages (33% on the season). In his last 13 games, Lamb has gone a brutal 20/80 from beyond the arc. It's probably just a slump but when college players shoot sub-forty percent from 20 ft, they don't typically become deadeye shooters from beyond 24-ft. I'm not saying Lamb won't be a good scorer, just that he's nowhere close to the next Reggie Miller-type shooter some people think he is. 30 point games sure are nice but let's not get carried away, Reggie was the type of player that could put up in 30 in a half.

[5DOM]

Reggie Miller would have trouble maintaining his crazy efficiency playing for that UCONN team. That team's a disaster offensively and you basically have to take contested long range shots every time.

[ash_k]

What do you see in Jones? I see a player that frequently does not show up, and routinely get's abused and out-muscled. I believe that on draft night a team is going to fall in love with his "potential" and will pick him possibly top-five, and regret it down the road. Jones will be a 4 in the NBA, that I am sure of. If we are going to pick a 4, I would much rather go with Robinson.

I see a player totally and purely built for the NBA (and not necessarily the NCAA), we have rarely seen this combination of physical tools in one NCAA player.

Look how fluid of an athlete he is at that size, he moves like a wing.
His shooting mechanics are up there with its form and elevation.

Do not let his playing close to the basket at Baylor trick you, the man is a Small Forward (with now an improving low post game.)

He will do better as a pro; he is physically built for it.

Say No to Quincy and MKG (and Austin Rivers)

Say Yes to Barnes, PJ3 and Lamb

(something tells me we will be left out of the Drummond vs Davis picks)

Davis is my number one pick

[Ackshun]

My name is not my name - Spiros "vondas"

I'm confused. If that was Marlo, why does it say Spiros?

Watch this beast of a series you noobs....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0K-tfJLiFE[/youtube]

I've gone through the series 3-4 times, and for some reason didn't recall Spiros saying "My name is not my name". Is that the scene in the last episode when they joke about not even being Greek ?

[Rapsfan07]

I don't like MKG for this team. He's a great fit for the Jazz or NOLA but MKG is a guy who doesn't have any definitive skills..much like DeRozan in that regard. We need a guy who has talents that can be a part of the overall plan for this team.

Right now the guys in the lotto who interest me are:

Davis
Drummond *gulp*
Barnes
Beal
Lamb
Miller

These guys are the best mix of star potential/skills/fit that the draft has to offer to us IMO.

You have Beal ahead of Lamb on your board?

Nah. They're both equal prospects in my books.

So now you're comparing MKG to the one-dimensional Derozan? Great. Just great.

No I'm not. I've watched enough of both to know that they won't be the same player in the NBA. That's a no brainer. But what I am saying is MKG and DeRozan have at least on similarity and that is - they are both complimentary pieces. Third option at best in the NBA. And that's not talking about the fact that they both can't shoot or create offense for themselves etc

But what I do know is that regardless of how they each pan out, you'll always be able to count on MKG to make the right play, rebound and defend. Whereas DeRozan can't always be counted on for any of the previously mentioned.

[Rapsfan07]

What do you see in Jones? I see a player that frequently does not show up, and routinely get's abused and out-muscled. I believe that on draft night a team is going to fall in love with his "potential" and will pick him possibly top-five, and regret it down the road. Jones will be a 4 in the NBA, that I am sure of. If we are going to pick a 4, I would much rather go with Robinson.

I see a player totally and purely built for the NBA (and not necessarily the NCAA), we have rarely seen this combination of physical tools in one NCAA player.

Look how fluid of an athlete he is at that size, he moves like a wing.
His shooting mechanics are up there with its form and elevation.

Do not let his playing close to the basket at Baylor trick you, the man is a Small Forward (with now an improving low post game.)

He will do better as a pro; he is physically built for it.

Say No to Quincy and MKG (and Austin Rivers)

Say Yes to Barnes, PJ3 and Lamb

(something tells me we will be left out of the Drummond vs Davis picks)

Davis is my number one pick

PJ3 has bust written all over him. If I'm looking for a high risk-high reward guy from this draft, it might as well be Drummond.

[fredericklove]

His shooting mechanics are up there with its form and elevation.

Do not let his playing close to the basket at Baylor trick you, the man is a Small Forward (with now an improving low post game.)

I too believed he could be a SF last year when they put the ball in his hands to initiate...but the more I watch him, the more I see him being a non-factor as a 4, while being a questionable 3 because he doesn't have the aggressiveness of a 3, he's just somewhere who occasionally scores when he's dominate against size, and for him to outscore a 3 in a perimeter game, I don't see how that can happen, his shots mechanics look okay but his shots are flat, and from all the baylor games I've watched, when was the last time he ever had a pull up jumper? He always attempted a spot-up jumper around the key..., that smells PF's game. And he doesn't have a scorer's mindset, that's just not right for a guy with his physique and skill level.

[Undefeated]

Barnes drains the 3 with ease.

[fredericklove]

Barnes with a beautiful 3pointer, so beautiful in and out

[fredericklove]

nice clean pull up jumper at the elbow by Harry, beautiful again

[Undefeated]

nice clean pull up jumper at the elbow by Harry, beautiful again

Yep. Excellent ball-screen execution. Dribbles around the screen and beautifully strokes that leaning elbow jumper.

[fredericklove]

No I'm not. I've watched enough of both to know that they won't be the same player in the NBA. That's a no brainer. But what I am saying is MKG and DeRozan have at least on similarity and that is - they are both complimentary pieces. Third option at best in the NBA. And that's not talking about the fact that they both can't shoot or create offense for themselves etc

But what I do know is that regardless of how they each pan out, you'll always be able to count on MKG to make the right play, rebound and defend. Whereas DeRozan can't always be counted on for any of the previously mentioned.

Fair enough, MKG's all around game cursed by the lack of offensive skillset is the thing that makes him just a complementary piece or maybe a borderline all-star level like an iggy type (tho idk how he's an all star this year lol)

[Marvin!]

no hate at all. i think he'll be a good player - but not a star because he just doesn't have star quality. But people seem convinced that he is a star in the making... thats what i don't get. Although it shouldn't surprise me around here with so many nba2k experts

I'm on record as saying Lamb looks like a potentially complete SG who could play some 1 and 3, based on seeing him do what I'd want him to do for us. If we drafted him, he'd be behind Bargnani and probably Val, like pretty much everybody in this draft- but would be a big 3rd piece.

Who do you like, and why? Care to stick your neck out? Who will be better than "a good player" at the wing?

i have repeatedly, in all of the draft threads. From where things sit now, looking at the wings I'm seeing Barnes starting to go to a different tier (i wasn't convinced at first but am starting to be), then MKG, then the rest.

And for those 'bashing' MKG because of his body... the kids is 18 years old for pete's sake.

[fredericklove]

Didn't Harry get foul by that jumper? He fell down on the floor, no call.

[Undefeated]

Wow, UNC is shooting the ball lights out from behind the arc right now.

[fredericklove]

CJ Leslie is an intriguing player, he's got an incredible athleticism even right now he just manhandle that reb and went up strong. ....but of cos, I hope for Aaron Craft and William Buford in the 2nd round.

[fredericklove]

Marshall is scoring? Wow, 8 points already.