Shams: Cleveland and Boston have agreement on deal to send Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas package to Cavs

[mademan]

Any stat I give you you just pass it off as "he was riding lebron" when you learn to get off LeBrons jock and actually give credit to Kyrie we can have a proper discussion.

What stat would that be? His playoff numbers? He was hardly a world beater. Just a great player, much like he is during the regular season. He hasn't shown anything (statistically) to indicate he's an MVP-level talent, or will be.

24 year old just turned 25 in march and averaged 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft throughout the past two playoff runs for the cavs as a #2 option.

FInals this year: 29ppg 4rpg 4apg 1spg 47%FG 42% 3pt 90%FT
Last years finals: 27ppg 4rpg 4apg 2spg 47%FG 40% 3pt 94% FT

#notelite

A total 12 game sample size; impressive, but not substantial enough. Over the RS and playoffs in general, he's not in a tier above any of the other top PG's in the East. He's had his own fair share of struggles in the playoffs (discounting finals) that are just swept under the rug because they win due to Lebron's absolutely ridiculous consistency.

Besides a 12 game sample size, there is literally nothing to show that Kyrie is better than IT and much to show that IT is better than Kyrie.

[Raps in 4]

Any stat I give you you just pass it off as "he was riding lebron" when you learn to get off LeBrons jock and actually give credit to Kyrie we can have a proper discussion.

What stat would that be? His playoff numbers? He was hardly a world beater. Just a great player, much like he is during the regular season. He hasn't shown anything (statistically) to indicate he's an MVP-level talent, or will be.

24 year old just turned 25 in march and averaged 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft throughout the past two playoff runs for the cavs as a #2 option.

FInals this year: 29ppg 4rpg 4apg 1spg 47%FG 42% 3pt 90%FT
Last years finals: 27ppg 4rpg 4apg 2spg 47%FG 40% 3pt 94% FT

#notelite

Those are just volume stats. His advanced metrics (which don't really care if a player is option A or B) are the same as they were throughout the regular season. Again, he's a great player, but volume stats don't prove in any way that he's poised to become an MVP-level talent this year.

[Clutch Carter]

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Boston will be better than us. We still have the best player on either team. We also matched up extremely well against them last year. Irving doesn't improve their defence at all, although he might give Lowry more trouble offensively than IT did. Hayward is the X-factor really. I think we'll be pretty close this year, considering the gap between us last season (they've closed the gap, but I don't know if they've pulled ahead).

They are better. They were better last season and they improved...we got worse

We dominated the season series against them last year.

We also had the better point differential.

We were unquestionably the better team.

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Better regular season, better playoffs; Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

[Raps in 4]

They are better. They were better last season and they improved...we got worse

We dominated the season series against them last year.

We also had the better point differential.

We were unquestionably the better team.

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

Boston was better according to what metric? We didn't face them in the playoffs, so there is no telling who would have won there. But in the only two areas we can compare (RS H2H and point differential), we were better.

[Clutch Carter]

We dominated the season series against them last year.

We also had the better point differential.

We were unquestionably the better team.

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

Boston was better according to what metric? We didn't face them in the playoffs, so there is no telling who would have won there. But in the only two areas we can compare (RS H2H and point differential), we were better.

Boston had a better regular season and a better playoffs; beat CHI and WASH both teams which I doubt we'd be able to beat and they took a game off of the Cavs.

By every conventional metric they had a better year. You can rationalize it all you like but that's how it be.

[Arman_tanzarian]

Kylie is prob slight better because of being a smudge better on D. Both about equal on offense. Both bad on defense but situationally, Kyrie can play a few possessions of defense every now and then. Both are liabilities at the end of the day. Both are not tier 1 PGs though.

[Raps in 4]

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

Boston was better according to what metric? We didn't face them in the playoffs, so there is no telling who would have won there. But in the only two areas we can compare (RS H2H and point differential), we were better.

Boston had a better regular season and a better playoffs; beat CHI and WASH both teams which I doubt we'd be able to beat and they took a game off of the Cavs.

By every conventional metric they had a better year. You can rationalize it all you like but that's how it be.

Boston did not have a better regular season.

They won 2 more games, but their point differential was 2.7 compared to our 4.2 (which is objectively a better indicator of performance than record). We were also missing our best player for 1/4 of the season, while Boston was not.

Boston only beat Chicago after Rondo went down. They were down 2-0 until then.

Sure they took a game off Cleveland, but they still lost their other 4 games by an average margin of 26 points, including suffering one of the biggest playoff losses in NBA history in game 2.

I'm under no illusions that we were a good team last year. But Boston was REALLY bad.

[Potential]

The Raptors need to spam 3 pointers and lock in on defense it's the only way we can be better than these east teams

[Mr Burns]

What stat would that be? His playoff numbers? He was hardly a world beater. Just a great player, much like he is during the regular season. He hasn't shown anything (statistically) to indicate he's an MVP-level talent, or will be.

24 year old just turned 25 in march and averaged 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft throughout the past two playoff runs for the cavs as a #2 option.

FInals this year: 29ppg 4rpg 4apg 1spg 47%FG 42% 3pt 90%FT
Last years finals: 27ppg 4rpg 4apg 2spg 47%FG 40% 3pt 94% FT

#notelite

A total 12 game sample size; impressive, but not substantial enough. Over the RS and playoffs in general, he's not in a tier above any of the other top PG's in the East. He's had his own fair share of struggles in the playoffs (discounting finals) that are just swept under the rug because they win due to Lebron's absolutely ridiculous consistency.

Besides a 12 game sample size, there is literally nothing to show that Kyrie is better than IT and much to show that IT is better than Kyrie.

12 game sample size? for the finals sure, but for the past two years in the playoffs (39 games) he put up 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft

[Mr Burns]

What stat would that be? His playoff numbers? He was hardly a world beater. Just a great player, much like he is during the regular season. He hasn't shown anything (statistically) to indicate he's an MVP-level talent, or will be.

24 year old just turned 25 in march and averaged 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft throughout the past two playoff runs for the cavs as a #2 option.

FInals this year: 29ppg 4rpg 4apg 1spg 47%FG 42% 3pt 90%FT
Last years finals: 27ppg 4rpg 4apg 2spg 47%FG 40% 3pt 94% FT

#notelite

Those are just volume stats. His advanced metrics (which don't really care if a player is option A or B) are the same as they were throughout the regular season. Again, he's a great player, but volume stats don't prove in any way that he's poised to become an MVP-level talent this year.

There you go again just brushing off every stat. You always have an excuse to discredit him its actually pretty hilarious how hard you're trying.

[Potential]

I played 2k16 after updating the rosters today and played in Boston. All u gotta do is throw it to DeMar in the post every single possession. Use JV early in the game and early in the 2nd half like we do in real life. Then go small put Ibaka at the 5. Let Delon play big minutes and pair with Lowry + bench unit... let them youngins Delon Powell OG Siakam run in transition. Lowry spam 3 pointers. Siakam minutes at the 4

Lowry
Delon
Powell
OG
Ibaka

This lineup was crazy defensively holy ****

[Raps in 4]

24 year old just turned 25 in march and averaged 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft throughout the past two playoff runs for the cavs as a #2 option.

FInals this year: 29ppg 4rpg 4apg 1spg 47%FG 42% 3pt 90%FT
Last years finals: 27ppg 4rpg 4apg 2spg 47%FG 40% 3pt 94% FT

#notelite

Those are just volume stats. His advanced metrics (which don't really care if a player is option A or B) are the same as they were throughout the regular season. Again, he's a great player, but volume stats don't prove in any way that he's poised to become an MVP-level talent this year.

There you go again just brushing off every stat. You always have an excuse to discredit him its actually pretty hilarious how hard you're trying.

Volume stats don't need me to "brush them off". They've been proven time and time again to be irrelevant in determining player productivity.

They're even more irrelevant when you consider the small sample size.

[DreamTeam09]

Boston got the best player

Cavs got the best end of the deal

That`s how a good deal should play out.

[UneducatedFan86]

Short-term: Cavs got the better deal. They picked up two assets (Crowder and Nets pick) for someone who didn't want to be there any longer. Plus, Thomas allows them not to lose a beat at the PG position - if healthy, of course. But there is no guarantee what will happen next off-season.

Long-term: Celtics get the better overall player in this deal. Kyrie is younger, under contract for 2 more seasons at a reasonable deal (at least more reasonable than what Thomas was going to ask for), and is a better fit for the Celtics. This also allows the Celtics to go hard in FA next season because they won't have to worry so much about where Thomas was going. Plus they know exactly how much cap space they'll have. Losing Crowder will hurt but I still see them as a top-3/4 team in the East.

[ForeverTFC]

This is a win for both Boston and the Cavs.

Not only does Boston get a better player, they also get out of having to pay IT his money.

[Moose23]

We dominated the season series against them last year.

We also had the better point differential.

We were unquestionably the better team.

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

Boston was better according to what metric? We didn't face them in the playoffs, so there is no telling who would have won there. But in the only two areas we can compare (RS H2H and point differential), we were better.

How about we compare them where it matters? Wins.

[Psubs]

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

Boston was better according to what metric? We didn't face them in the playoffs, so there is no telling who would have won there. But in the only two areas we can compare (RS H2H and point differential), we were better.

How about we compare them where it matters? Wins.

Head to head wins?

[Fairview4Life]

I played 2k16 after updating the rosters today and played in Boston. All u gotta do is throw it to DeMar in the post every single possession. Use JV early in the game and early in the 2nd half like we do in real life. Then go small put Ibaka at the 5. Let Delon play big minutes and pair with Lowry + bench unit... let them youngins Delon Powell OG Siakam run in transition. Lowry spam 3 pointers. Siakam minutes at the 4

Lowry
Delon
Powell
OG
Ibaka

This lineup was crazy defensively holy ****

That......really seems like the 2k16 people interviewed Casey extensively while developing the game. or maybe he isn't actually a moron.

[Fairview4Life]

We also swept the h2h against Washington couple years back before they swept us in the playoffs. Regular season h2h is completely meaningless.

Boston was better last year than we were, and look to be even better this year.

Boston was better according to what metric? We didn't face them in the playoffs, so there is no telling who would have won there. But in the only two areas we can compare (RS H2H and point differential), we were better.

How about we compare them where it matters? Wins.

So they were better than Cleveland too?

[Moose23]

So according to regular season wins in h2h.

We are a worse them than phoenix 0-2 record
Atlanta 1-2 record
Chicago 1-2
Sacramento 0-2

And equal to last years
Charlotte and orlando

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