[Charania] Jakob Extended - 4 Years $104m

[CPT]

Bobby's GM style:

Y’all wanted Masai gone

Enjoy Bobby Blunder era

I never quite understood the people who wanted Masai gone but didn't want to totally clean house.

Like the situation is just objectively worse.

Bobby was already here, so we just lost Masai's expertise, connections, brand image, etc.

[PhilBlackson]

Bobby's GM style:

Y’all wanted Masai gone

Enjoy Bobby Blunder era

Not that I’m saying I believe in Bobby but both IQ & Yak’s overpays were on Masai’s watch/lead.

Again I’m not saying that as an endorsement for Bobby because I feel like this CMB pick was his. Rumblings were Masai really liked Maluach which supports all his earlier claims he wanted a “young big to develop”. But Rich Paul has a close relationship with Masai and likely asked him how likely it would be that Masai remains here and you know how that turned out.

Bobby to me strikes me as the more “analytically driven” than emotional attachments like Masai & took CMB because he was bit of an analytical darling and it “fit” (ironically doesn’t really) in Bobby’s extremely broad vision of being “OKC like”. Regardless they both may have fumbled because they had BOTH Queen & Coward in for multiple workouts and that could start Bobby’s tenure with a bit of a miss and personally I don’t like hearing the so called “solution” is to pursue Sabonis or aging AD.

Webster is under a ton of pressure so I’ll be pretty shocked if we have a quiet deadline. Ochai being moved is pretty much a given but I think Bobby is going to look to make a move to “solidify” himself and that’s when we’ll really see how he operates (to be fair though he actually spearheaded the greatest Rap trade of all time, Kawhi)…

[Thaddy]

Bobby's GM style:

Y’all wanted Masai gone

Enjoy Bobby Blunder era

Not that I’m saying I believe in Bobby but both IQ & Yak’s overpays were on Masai’s watch/lead.

Again I’m not saying that as an endorsement for Bobby because I feel like this CMB pick was his. Rumblings were Masai really liked Maluach which supports all his earlier claims he wanted a “young big to develop”. But Rich Paul has a close relationship with Masai and likely asked him how likely it would be that Masai remains here and you know how that turned out.

Bobby to me strikes me as the more “analytically driven” than emotional attachments like Masai & took CMB because he was bit of an analytical darling and it “fit” (ironically doesn’t really) in Bobby’s extremely broad vision of being “OKC like”. Regardless they both may have fumbled because they had BOTH Queen & Coward in for multiple workouts and that could start Bobby’s tenure with a bit of a miss and personally I don’t like hearing the so called “solution” is to pursue Sabonis or aging AD.

Webster is under a ton of pressure so I’ll be pretty shocked if we have a quiet deadline. Ochai being moved is pretty much a given but I think Bobby is going to look to make a move to “solidify” himself and that’s when we’ll really see how he operates (to be fair though he actually spearheaded the greatest Rap trade of all time, Kawhi)…

I'm starting to think that trading Poeltl and IQ for AD might actually be a good thing. It would help us move two massive contracts and makes us better. If we let Davis expire we'd have more space for the young guys.

[Indeed]

Bobby's GM style:

Y’all wanted Masai gone

Enjoy Bobby Blunder era

Not that I’m saying I believe in Bobby but both IQ & Yak’s overpays were on Masai’s watch/lead.

Again I’m not saying that as an endorsement for Bobby because I feel like this CMB pick was his. Rumblings were Masai really liked Maluach which supports all his earlier claims he wanted a “young big to develop”. But Rich Paul has a close relationship with Masai and likely asked him how likely it would be that Masai remains here and you know how that turned out.

Bobby to me strikes me as the more “analytically driven” than emotional attachments like Masai & took CMB because he was bit of an analytical darling and it “fit” (ironically doesn’t really) in Bobby’s extremely broad vision of being “OKC like”. Regardless they both may have fumbled because they had BOTH Queen & Coward in for multiple workouts and that could start Bobby’s tenure with a bit of a miss and personally I don’t like hearing the so called “solution” is to pursue Sabonis or aging AD.

Webster is under a ton of pressure so I’ll be pretty shocked if we have a quiet deadline. Ochai being moved is pretty much a given but I think Bobby is going to look to make a move to “solidify” himself and that’s when we’ll really see how he operates (to be fair though he actually spearheaded the greatest Rap trade of all time, Kawhi)…

Non sense, Maluach does not meet Ujiri drafting matrices, which were discussed during the draft thread. CMB is more a Ujiri pick.
I wouldn't be surprised Trent and Quickley are Webster doing the contract negotiation, where he based on the needs on the team, instead of really knowing the scouting report. The contract Ujiri gave to DeRozan and Lowry were more reasonable and to their skill level back in the days.

[DelAbbot]

I'm starting to think that trading Poeltl and IQ for AD might actually be a good thing. It would help us move two massive contracts and makes us better. If we let Davis expire we'd have more space for the young guys.

I too think that trading my 10 year+ beater Corolla and Subaru Outback for a used Tesla Model X might actually be a good thing.

Both IQ and Poeltl contracts are negative value assets. How about you post that trade proposal on the Mavs board or Trade board and see how many people consider it a possibility.

[Merit]

I'm starting to think that trading Poeltl and IQ for AD might actually be a good thing. It would help us move two massive contracts and makes us better. If we let Davis expire we'd have more space for the young guys.

I too think that trading my 10 year+ beater Corolla and Subaru Outback for a used Tesla Model X might actually be a good thing.

Both IQ and Poeltl contracts are negative value assets. How about you post that trade proposal on the Mavs board or Trade board and see how many people consider it a possibility.

Seeing how many people hate Elon and Teslas and the complexities of modern vehicles (see subscription costs in Toyotas) this trade would absolutely happen.

Car value aside, this analogy isn’t the best.

[Thaddy]

I'm starting to think that trading Poeltl and IQ for AD might actually be a good thing. It would help us move two massive contracts and makes us better. If we let Davis expire we'd have more space for the young guys.

I too think that trading my 10 year+ beater Corolla and Subaru Outback for a used Tesla Model X might actually be a good thing.

Both IQ and Poeltl contracts are negative value assets. How about you post that trade proposal on the Mavs board or Trade board and see how many people consider it a possibility.

Davis is also a negative value player. No one wants to sign him to an extension. The same way no one of Poeltl or IQs caliber will sign with the Mavs to play with a 20 year old and unproven franchise player.

Posting it on their trade board isn't an indication of what will happen in real life.

[Duffman100]

Bobby's GM style:

Not sure the initial trade is an overpay.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Bobby's GM style:

Not sure the initial trade is an overpay.

they traded a 1st round pick with crap protection for a mediocre center that stopped us from tanking in the Wemby draft. He was also going to be a free agent in the off season... Moronic trade. This guy isn't a great rim protector and is a liability on the court since he's a poor FT shooter and shooter in general..

We should have all known the contract was a disaster since most the people in this thread thought it was a good deal.. A strong signal that it was horrific.

[Duffman100]

Bobby's GM style:

Not sure the initial trade is an overpay.

they traded a 1st round pick with crap protection for a mediocre center that stopped us from tanking in the Wemby draft. He was also going to be a free agent in the off season... Moronic trade. This guy isn't a great rim protector and is a liability on the court since he's a poor FT shooter and shooter in general..

We should have all known the contract was a disaster since most the people in this thread thought it was a good deal.. A strong signal that it was horrific.

The timing and other factors of the trade doesn't dictate if it was an overpay. A first round pick for a center we then reupped to a very reasonable extension was a fair value deal.

The timing of the trade was bad for sure.

[PushDaRock]

Not sure the initial trade is an overpay.

they traded a 1st round pick with crap protection for a mediocre center that stopped us from tanking in the Wemby draft. He was also going to be a free agent in the off season... Moronic trade. This guy isn't a great rim protector and is a liability on the court since he's a poor FT shooter and shooter in general..

We should have all known the contract was a disaster since most the people in this thread thought it was a good deal.. A strong signal that it was horrific.

The timing and other factors of the trade doesn't dictate if it was an overpay. A first round pick for a center we then reupped to a very reasonable extension was a fair value deal.

The timing of the trade was bad for sure.

Yeah, value was fine, timing wasn't great with hindsight.

Who knows, maybe things would have went differently if we didn't get beat by a little girl screaming her lungs out.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Not sure the initial trade is an overpay.

they traded a 1st round pick with crap protection for a mediocre center that stopped us from tanking in the Wemby draft. He was also going to be a free agent in the off season... Moronic trade. This guy isn't a great rim protector and is a liability on the court since he's a poor FT shooter and shooter in general..

We should have all known the contract was a disaster since most the people in this thread thought it was a good deal.. A strong signal that it was horrific.

The timing and other factors of the trade doesn't dictate if it was an overpay. A first round pick for a center we then reupped to a very reasonable extension was a fair value deal.

The timing of the trade was bad for sure.

We could have just drafted a center with the pick we gave up on a ROOKIE DEAL!!!!! Instead we're paying a mediocre AT BEST center deep into his 30s. the 1st round pick is more valuable than Poeltl will ever be. HORRIFIC TRADE.

[Tor_Raps]

The timing of the trade definitely impacts the overall judgment of the trade. Teams laughed at us when we made the trade because we were a bad team that put extremely light protections on the pick.

That means you are conveying a potential top 10 pick, which is exactly what happened. Its similar (not as bad) as the Pelicans trading an unprotected pick for Queen.

[Shakril]

they traded a 1st round pick with crap protection for a mediocre center that stopped us from tanking in the Wemby draft. He was also going to be a free agent in the off season... Moronic trade. This guy isn't a great rim protector and is a liability on the court since he's a poor FT shooter and shooter in general..

We should have all known the contract was a disaster since most the people in this thread thought it was a good deal.. A strong signal that it was horrific.

The timing and other factors of the trade doesn't dictate if it was an overpay. A first round pick for a center we then reupped to a very reasonable extension was a fair value deal.

The timing of the trade was bad for sure.

We could have just drafted a center with the pick we gave up on a ROOKIE DEAL!!!!! Instead we're paying a mediocre AT BEST center deep into his 30s. the 1st round pick is more valuable than Poeltl will ever be. HORRIFIC TRADE.

That statement already has been debunked several times. Repeating it wont make it true.

[CPT]

We could have just drafted a center with the pick we gave up on a ROOKIE DEAL!!!!! Instead we're paying a mediocre AT BEST center deep into his 30s. the 1st round pick is more valuable than Poeltl will ever be. HORRIFIC TRADE.

That statement already has been debunked several times. Repeating it wont make it true.

Which parts have been debunked?

Every sentence is true with the possible exception of the first round pick being more valuable than Poeltl will ever be. I mean, it would probably take a first round pick to get rid of him now, but that wasn’t always true, so you can have that moral victory I guess.

The trade was horrible and this extension is arguably worse.

Pretending it isn’t is such a weird hill to die on.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

The timing and other factors of the trade doesn't dictate if it was an overpay. A first round pick for a center we then reupped to a very reasonable extension was a fair value deal.

The timing of the trade was bad for sure.

We could have just drafted a center with the pick we gave up on a ROOKIE DEAL!!!!! Instead we're paying a mediocre AT BEST center deep into his 30s. the 1st round pick is more valuable than Poeltl will ever be. HORRIFIC TRADE.

That statement already has been debunked several times. Repeating it wont make it true.

If we didn't make that trade we could have had these guys on the cheap. that year all i heard was "Raptors need a center!!" now this year all i hear is "Raptors need a center" Better not trade our first round pick again... What's it matter since our draft record as of late is horrendous anyways.

[ItsDanger]

It's a lonely time to be in the Poeltl fanclub still.

[LoveMyRaps]

It's a lonely time to be in the Poeltl fanclub still.

Shakril:

[Clutch0z24]

Worst deal that set us back and is having an impact on us years later....Costed us 2 good draft picks and now costing us a year where we suppose to "compete"....This is just Karma to all the fans that advocated so strongly for this deal in the first place....

Yak deal basically costed us
Good pick in 2023 = Gradey
Good pick in 2024 = missing out on Edey/Ware and got Jakobe
Made our record better than it needed to be last year when we were tanking for Flagg/Harper/Edgecombe So made us miss out on that
Yak has yet to help us even reach the playoffs after giving up so much potential We are yet to have a playoff series that he made any impact on...
Now his back is cooked and he is on a big contract....

What in the world can you take positive from that trade at all? Anyone that is actually trying to defend the trade is either a troll or knows nothing about basketball asset management...