Update: It is time to trade Scottie Barnes before it's too late!

[PushDaRock]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the flip-flopping lack of patience sensationalized must have instant gratification what have you done for me lately posts?

Ridiculous. It’s been 4 years. He’s on a max contract now. The scrutiny is deserved.

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

[NBA Sheady]

Scottie is going to be WAY better in the first real game. I'm not suggesting he's going to suddenly be a 40% 3-Point shooter but what we're seeing right now is not who he is.

[dballislife]

those 3s are gonna be there all game long cause scotties defender will just back the paint, and he stands out there for entire possessions...and when he does get the ball the first thing his defenders do is put their hands down and take a couple of steps back to give him even space to shoot...teams dare him jack it and he usually does and misses

[DreamTeam09]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the flip-flopping lack of patience sensationalized must have instant gratification what have you done for me lately posts?

Ridiculous. It’s been 4 years. He’s on a max contract now. The scrutiny is deserved.

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

[PushDaRock]

Ridiculous. It’s been 4 years. He’s on a max contract now. The scrutiny is deserved.

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

Pippen didn't start a single game during the regular season in his rookie season and he was also an NBA champion after year 4 as the #2 option so not sure how late bloomer applies to him?

[ishoy123]

Ridiculous. It’s been 4 years. He’s on a max contract now. The scrutiny is deserved.

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

And Scottie averaged 19-8-6 last year with a worse supporting cast. He is not a bum.

[causal_fan]

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

And Scottie averaged 19-8-6 last year with a worse supporting cast. He is not a bum.

He is not but he is trending that way!

[PushDaRock]

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

And Scottie averaged 19-8-6 last year with a worse supporting cast. He is not a bum.

[TheGeneral99]

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

And Scottie averaged 19-8-6 last year with a worse supporting cast. He is not a bum.

That's not good, but his TS in 2023-2024 was 56.6%.

[PushDaRock]

And Scottie averaged 19-8-6 last year with a worse supporting cast. He is not a bum.

That's not good, but his TS in 2023-2024 was 56.6%.

3 point shooting each season: 30.1%, 28.1%, 34.1%, 27.1% (Career 30%)

Not hard to notice which year was the outlier. If he regains that form, the outlook is obviously way different. Are we betting on that happening though based on his track record?

[YogurtProducer]

Ridiculous. It’s been 4 years. He’s on a max contract now. The scrutiny is deserved.

Something to keep in mind is it's also not just 4 years, it's 4 years where he has played starter minutes from day 1. He's had more than enough opportunity to show what he can do. People want to compare him to Lowry a lot saying how we should be patient but late bloomers aren't traditionally guys who play a ton of minutes in the NBA from the start. They're like Lowry who bounce around a bit and aren't starters right away, not usually Top 5 picks who have averaged 34 mpg in their first 4 seasons.

Scottie Pippen says hello and I'm sure there's plenty of others players can list

Scotty Pippen was an all star in year 3 and key piece of a championship team in year 4

[ConSarnit]

And Scottie averaged 19-8-6 last year with a worse supporting cast. He is not a bum.

That's not good, but his TS in 2023-2024 was 56.6%.

That’s still below league average. It’s also based on what’s looking like a fluke shooting hot streak from 3 to start the season. Once his 3pt shooting cooled off he was at 54% TS for the second half of the ‘23/24 season.

Do I think Barnes efficiency issues are fixable? Probably. Does that open up a host of other issues? Yes. If he has to cut down his 3’s that gives us zero shooting from the 4/5 (we are pretty much already there). If Barnes is league average efficiency on cuts, rim attempts, hustle plays, etc that’s still not good output for that type of scorer. The closer you are to garbage man type scorer the further away from league average efficiency you should be (in the positive sense). Getting Barnes efficiency up makes Barnes look better but I’m not even sure how much it really helps the team if it’s the final nail in getting any spacing from the Barnes/Poeltl pairing.

[TheAlchemist23]

I think the main crux seems to be he's geniuely cognitively slow.

When gets the ball up top, he doesn't move his feet on the dribble to probe or shift defenses (instead he plays traffic cop, barking at his teammates to shift positions ruining whatever flow), unlike most perimeter players who'll move around, he appears more like a big man preparing for a DHO.

On his drives he has no idea, either rushes to an early shot to avoid contact or throws up a wild, stiff attempt. Is it the lack of practice?

[ConSarnit]

That's not good, but his TS in 2023-2024 was 56.6%.

3 point shooting each season: 30.1%, 28.1%, 34.1%, 27.1% (Career 30%)

Not hard to notice which year was the outlier. If he regains that form, the outlook is obviously way different. Are we betting on that happening though based on his track record?

I’d have more confidence in him regaining that form if he was more consistent throughout ‘23/24. Post Jan. 1 2024 his shooting fell off a cliff and he never got it back. To me that suggests a hot streak as opposed to any real improvement. You’d think that if he actually improved he’d have had one solid month of good 3pt shooting since 2023. He hasn’t.

[PushDaRock]

That's not good, but his TS in 2023-2024 was 56.6%.

3 point shooting each season: 30.1%, 28.1%, 34.1%, 27.1% (Career 30%)

Not hard to notice which year was the outlier. If he regains that form, the outlook is obviously way different. Are we betting on that happening though based on his track record?

I’d have more confidence in him regaining that form if he was more consistent throughout ‘23/24. Post Jan. 1 2024 his shooting fell off a cliff and he never got it back. To me that suggests a hot streak as opposed to any real improvement. You’d think that if he actually improved he’d have had one solid month of good 3pt shooting since 2023. He hasn’t.

Yeah, it just doesn't look repeatable at all. What he did for 2 months is just so far out of the norm from what he's done the rest of his career. He was chucking up bricks like crazy to end the year and drop his percentage down to 34%, because it was way higher for most of the year.

[mihaic]

Scottie is going to be WAY better in the first real game. I'm not suggesting he's going to suddenly be a 40% 3-Point shooter but what we're seeing right now is not who he is.

I think so, and hope so. Rookie Barnes was better than this.

But will he be good enough to justify his max? We'll see, I guess

[DreamTeam09]

com on, the Scottie nay sayers can't be quiet now, keep the same energy

[MoneyBall]

Trade him now or it'll be too late!!!/s

[dballislife]

scottie messed with his develop by literally trying to score like ingram...hes not that type of scorer, he needs to attack like giannis and stop settling for long shots...he doesn't have to hit a single long distant shot and still play great basketball

[PushDaRock]

com on, the Scottie nay sayers can't be quiet now, keep the same energy

If he was able to do this every night, he would shut everyone up. Question is how often can he do it and whether he can do it at all against better teams?