Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[BD12]

BC failed to correct the lineup with the lack of ball penetration.

Actually he did with Lowry.

The reason why we lost against the Nets in the '06 playoffs or whatever was because none of the wings could create. Guess what BC does. He goes out and signs Kapono. And what happens with Kapono? He gets benched for Moon (a training camp invitee), 6 games into the season. Your prized offseason signing that you give the MLE gets benched for a training camp invitee six games into the season. Just think about that for a second.

While Lowry is able to get into the paint and make plays, who else is able to do that on the team? Calderon rarely goes into the paint. John Lucas just looks for his shot. Alan Anderson is probably the second best player after Lowry at creating easy buckets and even then he looks to shoot most of the time.

[Kabookalu]

The reason why we lost against the Nets in the '06 playoffs or whatever was because none of the wings could create. Guess what BC does. He goes out and signs Kapono. And what happens with Kapono? He gets benched for Moon (a training camp invitee), 6 games into the season. Your prized offseason signing that you give the MLE gets benched for a training camp invitee six games into the season. Just think about that for a second.

While Lowry is able to get into the paint and make plays, who else is able to do that on the team? Calderon rarely goes into the paint. John Lucas just looks for his shot. Alan Anderson is probably the second best player after Lowry at creating easy buckets and even then he looks to shoot most of the time.

DeRozan is able to do that, more or less, but only if he's playing with Kyle Lowry. If you're looking for a player who can consistently beat a player off the dribble and look good doing it without having the need to play off of a superior player that list shrinks down to Corey Maggette.

[kirkwood]

Long time BC supporter but yes he has to go

He screwed up in trading Johnson and Bayless and added weaker players to replace them. We should of kept Johnson and bayless and not blown our money on players like Fields, Gray, Lucas, Mcguire, Anderson.

That and he has held on to young talent who clearly do not fit here nor will they ever be part of a championship team when he couldd be packaging them to get a star playeer in here. Namely guys like Derozan, one of davis/amir and bargnani.

[BD12]

The reason why we lost against the Nets in the '06 playoffs or whatever was because none of the wings could create. Guess what BC does. He goes out and signs Kapono. And what happens with Kapono? He gets benched for Moon (a training camp invitee), 6 games into the season. Your prized offseason signing that you give the MLE gets benched for a training camp invitee six games into the season. Just think about that for a second.

While Lowry is able to get into the paint and make plays, who else is able to do that on the team? Calderon rarely goes into the paint. John Lucas just looks for his shot. Alan Anderson is probably the second best player after Lowry at creating easy buckets and even then he looks to shoot most of the time.

DeRozan is able to do that, more or less, but only if he's playing with Kyle Lowry. If you're looking for a player who can consistently beat a player off the dribble and look good doing it without having the need to play off of a superior player that list shrinks down to Corey Maggette.

Huh? There are many wing players/point forwards that can/could create. OJ Mayo, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Lamar Odom. Hell even Dion Waiters is able to beat players off the dribble and create better than Demar at this point and I"m not even exaggerating.

It is rare to see DeRozan bringing the ball up the court because he's not comfortable doing it at all.

Evan Turner, JR Smith, Joe Johnson, Monta Ellis, Ginobili, James Harden, etc etc. All these guys can create and run plays if necessary without having to play off a superior player.

[Kabookalu]

Huh? There are many wing players/point forwards that can/could create. OJ Mayo, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Lamar Odom. Hell even Dion Waiters is a better creator than Demar DeRozan at this point and I"m not even exaggerating.

I wouldn't say Carter, McGrady, and Odom are the greatest examples, especially now. Odom needs to play in a city next to a beach to play good. McGrady's not even in the league anymore. Carter, yeah to a degree but he goes along with my response to Mayo.

I said players that can do that without needing to feed off of others. O.J. Mayo has been playing well in part because Collison has been great at setting him up with his penetration, and Mayo is more of a jumpshooter than a dribble drive kind of guy anyways.

Dion Waiters is playing well right now because he's scorching hot from 3. He's finishing at 50% around the rim, which is atrocious.

[BD12]

Huh? There are many wing players/point forwards that can/could create. OJ Mayo, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Lamar Odom. Hell even Dion Waiters is a better creator than Demar DeRozan at this point and I"m not even exaggerating.

I wouldn't say Carter, McGrady, and Odom are the greatest examples, especially now. Odom needs to play in a city next to a beach to play good. McGrady's not even in the league anymore. Carter, yeah to a degree but he goes along with my response to Mayo.

I said players that can do that without needing to feed off of others. O.J. Mayo has been playing well in part because Collison has been great at setting him up with his penetration, and Mayo is more of a jumpshooter than a dribble drive kind of guy anyways.

Dion Waiters is playing well right now because he's scorching hot from 3. He's finishing at 50% around the rim, which is atrocious.

They're not great examples because you mentioned playing off a superior player but even with Lowry in the lineup, I really don't see the court vision/creating part of his game. Before the Dallas game he had a total of 4 assists. He never really looked to pass/create in any of the games before the Mavs game.

I don't care about Dion Waiter's scoring - talking about his ability to create off the dribble. If CLE had better scoring options, there is no doubt in my mind that he would be averaging more assists than he is right now.

[JV4MVP]

Landry Fields was the last straw for me

[Kabookalu]

They're not great examples because you mentioned playing off a superior player but even with Lowry in the lineup, I really don't see the court vision you're talking about that DeRozan has. Before the Dallas game he had a total of 4 assists. He never really looked to pass in any of the games before the Mavs game.

I don't think assists are the be end of defining what a creator is. I consider Kevin Martin and Kevin Durant to be creators and they're mediocre at best setting up their teammates. If what you were saying is acquiring a playmaking wing, well yeah, DeRozan is far from that.

[BD12]

They're not great examples because you mentioned playing off a superior player but even with Lowry in the lineup, I really don't see the court vision you're talking about that DeRozan has. Before the Dallas game he had a total of 4 assists. He never really looked to pass in any of the games before the Mavs game.

I don't think assists are the be end of defining what a creator is. I consider Kevin Martin and Kevin Durant to be creators and they're mediocre at best setting up their teammates. If what you were saying is acquiring a playmaking wing, well yeah, DeRozan is far from that.

Yea I agree with the first sentence. Its not the end all be all but you don't often see DeRozan setting up plays for easy buckets or even getting a hockey assist if not a real assist.

[West Rouge]

They're not great examples because you mentioned playing off a superior player but even with Lowry in the lineup, I really don't see the court vision you're talking about that DeRozan has. Before the Dallas game he had a total of 4 assists. He never really looked to pass in any of the games before the Mavs game.

I don't think assists are the be end of defining what a creator is. I consider Kevin Martin and Kevin Durant to be creators and they're mediocre at best setting up their teammates. If what you were saying is acquiring a playmaking wing, well yeah, DeRozan is far from that.

Derozan should never be mentioned in comparison to Kevin Martin or Kevin Durant. Both those guys are/were amazing scorers. Derozan has hardly should glimpses of being in their light.

[Kabookalu]

Derozan should never be mentioned in comparison to Kevin Martin or Kevin Durant.

I wasn't.

[lucky777s]

Derozan should never be mentioned in comparison to Kevin Martin or Kevin Durant.

DD is much closer to a Maggette. Take a look at Maggette's career numbers. Some really good seasons but not a player that is respected, by fans at least.

Several seasons with 600+ FTA's. Good rebounder. Below average 3pt fg% although had a couple of good years and doesn't shoot them a ton.

Is Maggette a creator? He can make something out of nothing. Don't think he is a system player like DD who needs more help to get his. Good comparison though, I think.

[Kosta]

I haven't posted for a long time, but for this , fire him already and start fresh with the couple decent players left on the team. He has made bad draft pick, after bad signing, he's had enough time.

[Indeed]

I haven't posted for a long time, but for this , fire him already and start fresh with the couple decent players left on the team. He has made bad draft pick, after bad signing, he's had enough time.

The biggest problem is, we traded away our pick, which showed we want to be a playoffs team and trade our assets for veteran. His recent moves contradict himself, doesn't want to move off from the players he should, and hasn't adept to the new CBA.

[Strategist1]

Lowry trade was worth the risk... but he needed to support that trade with another big move. Now we are on a verge of a treadmill team that can be easily a bad team with no draft pick and little flexibility.

Lowry trade is good if you have a massive plan. Unfortunately, BC doesn't have 1.

BC needed to package Jose's expiring with one of Ed Davis, Amir, Kleiza or the 8th pick he used on Ross. He needed to also find a legit 6th man for the price he paid Fields.

He failed on all accounts. He needs to be fired.

[draft]

The pick is top 3 protected and we're not going to be worse than Detroit, Washington, New Orleans or Charlotte. So we're almost guaranteed to lose the pick this year. We can''t rebuild.

[Strategist1]

20+ million of our cap on Jose Calderon, Fields, Kleiza = FAIL

Jose is a good backup. But that's too much money for a backup PG. We needed a talent upgrade elsewhere in the starting unit.

[Inevitable]

The pick is top 3 protected and we're not going to be worse than Detroit, Washington, New Orleans or Charlotte. So we're almost guaranteed to lose the pick this year. We can''t rebuild.

Hey, you never know these next 20 games can get us way below .500, and with our history once were down we're out.

[Just Win Baby]

I'm pretty much neutral but I voted yes just because I wouldn't mind a shake up. Think we have options to move. We should try and get a late 1st rounder for Jose if possible. Trading Bargs is 50/50, IMO and I'm not entirely sure what his trade value is. Wouldn't mind if we stick with BC, either.

[James_Raptors]

He's tried different players, multiple coaches, several changes in management. He was unsuccessful at win-now and his version of a rebuild.

Simply put, what more can he fail at before he is fired?