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Re: Derozan interview on ESPN, Tues 10pm EST (TONIGHT!) 

Post#461 » by Truthrising » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:44 pm

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This board is full of chest pumping types who act like they were wronged by arguably our best player of the last 5 years. You don't like him. His game. Move on. Enough. Show some respect for commitment and ability. What he did on and off the court.


Maybe you should tell the chest bumping DeRozan fanboys that are complaining that Masai is a snake and that the organization is s*** to move on.


I do not think Masai is a snake because business is business. I think Demar is just a person who wears his heart on his sleeve. Is what it is and fans need to remember that for managers and players this is a business. For fans it is fun and games with high ticket prices.


I think DeRozan is in the wrong here, as you said. He should know that this is business, he should be a little more professional about the situation instead of crying to the public and the media about it and trying to tarnish the organization that gave him the opportunity and the salary he has now.
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Post#462 » by HiMyNameIsTrey » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:44 pm

guess_wh0 wrote:Masai, who keeps being sold as the best smooth talker in the NBA, really **** up in that press conference.

If a backhanded apology wasn't enough this quote stings:
" I kept giving them chances."

You're pretty much putting complete blame on Casey & Derozan, and even if true there's no reason to say that about your most loyal, loved and clearly upset star, who you btw clearly lied to.

Something generic would've sufficed.

" love demar but when an opportunity like this comes...."

" we believe it was time for a change...."

Etc etc

The trade was a no brainer, not even upset about the lie(there's no reason to notify players of talks that might not turn into trades) but the press conference was cringe worthy and probably infuriated Demar to take this interview. Still, he tried to keep it classy, for the most part.


The frustration about losing came out I respect that about Masai. Casey and Demar were the 1a and 1b reasons this team has been a flop in the playoffs. Casey and Demar were given chances every year and they failed spectacularly. He can only be patient for so long with those 2 losers.
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Post#463 » by StopitLeo » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:46 pm

First and foremost I want to say that I feel bad for DeRozan and how the trade went down from his perspective. What he has done for the Raptors certainly earned him the courtesy of being told he was going to be traded if that was possible. I can totally see why he would feel disrespected and lied to even though I think the scenario by which the trade happened probably didn't allow him to be told he was about to be traded.

Woj said this in an interview a few months back:

“One thing about Masai Ujiri: He has never been afraid to talk about his star players in trade talks,” Wojnarowski said. “He’s not going to tell you anybody’s untouchable, and teams around the league know that. So they’ll talk about almost anything with this roster.”


Woj doesn't say things that aren't true these days. There is no way that the players and agents are not aware of this. It isn't to suggest Masai was actively trying to move anyone but simply that anyone could be traded if the right deal came along.

Based on what Masai and DeMar have said, DeMar was at least aware that his name had come up in trade discussion this summer. At the time he and Masai spoke in summer league he was told that he was not being traded (not to say he was promised he would not be traded) and there was nothing imminent (which again suggests his name had been discussed). That could have been 100% true; Masai said they were 4th or something with respect to teams making offers to the Spurs. It isn't unreasonable that the Raptors didn't think they were out of the running for Kawhi.

Information from Danny Green's podcast suggests that that agreement on the trade came together quickly. Green said that in a previous season he was told by the Spurs that if they signed KD he might be traded (I'm paraphrasing) but that he was blindsided by this trade. Did the Spurs suddenly decide to be jerks about it or more likely did they not have the opportunity to tell Green he was about to be traded? I think it is obviously the latter. Moreover, when the Raptors had agreed to trade Lowry to the Knicks Kyle never said anything about being surprised by the trade. He had his bags packed and ready to go and thought it was a done deal. I think if he was blindsided it would have come out and/or he would have been pissed and certainly not re-sign here.

If the Raptors thought they were out of the trade discussions but then Buford calls to accept an offer previously discussed, or makes an offer Masai can't refuse, there is no opportunity for either executive to tell their players that they are about to be traded. It sucks for the players and the teams because neither wants the relationship to end in that way.

I'm just tired of this whole discussion about DeMar being lied to. Is it so hard to see a scenario where he feels lied to but the team didn't actually lie to him? It's not something sinister like they told him he wasn't being traded at summer league but at the same time Masai had his blackberry behind his back texting Buford at the same time.
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Re: Derozan interview on ESPN, Tues 10pm EST (TONIGHT!) 

Post#464 » by djsunyc » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:49 pm

i still think the logistics of working this deal from africa played a part. dude was rubbing elbows with obama and building schools while working out this deal - tough to have convos with everyone.
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Post#465 » by arneil » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:49 pm

I just saw the interview. Being born and raised in TO and being a Raptor fan since the Ratpors were born, if you don't feel for DeMar after this interview then I don't know. DeMar specifically said he wanted to rep Toronto and Canada. Toronto was a second home to him and he wanted to remove that stigma of players not wanting to sign in Toronto. DeMar loved Toronto and I love him back for doing what he did here. We all know that keeping high profile players in TO is hard and out of all the stars that have been in TO DeMar has been the most loyal. And to me, loyalty means a lot to me and DeMar gave all his loyalty to us. With that said, it still a buisness and I can't fault Masai for doing what he did. Im not a firm believer YET in Kwahi Leonard. Kwahi is a two way player which is rare, and yea he was a MVP in the finals against LeBron. But Kwahi was also part of the Spurs which is notoriously known for making players better because of the system they have there. So...Im curious to see how Kwahi plays outside of that Spurs system. I also don't think Masai is a bad guy or a snake. Masai has said, in his press conference that he could of handled the situation better. He might of said things in a much better way to better inform DeMar. So when someone actually admits they mishandled a situation, that's not a snake. A snake bite you and hides to never be seen again. Masai didn't do that. So my take on this whole situation is, both Masai and DeMar were dedicated to the team and the city of Toronto and it's just hard when things change. It's like breaking up with a girlfriend/boyfriend. Sometimes it just happens. Nothing wrong with either side but sometimes its just time to move on. So for people who say that DeMar is trying to play the victim. I don't think thats true. DeMar has said that all he wanted was to be told what was going on, and Masai has admitted that he mishandled things. So...it is a hard situation but I don't think any of these guys are bad people.
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Post#466 » by StopitLeo » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:51 pm

mashiach wrote:I love Demar and everything. But the line that made me quit on him was a couple months ago :

"Maybe they just have our number"

that was the comment that proved he was never going to be a leader. He's an all-star, a very good player, but he just can't push a team to the top.


That line is probably part of why he is so upset. They had 3 chances at LeBron and failed but now that LeBron is gone from the East DeMar probably felt that with one more chance the team could make the Finals. He's always talked about wanting to stay on one team and ride through the rough times and be part of getting the team to higher levels of success. Making the Finals would have been the penultimate achievement for him as a Raptor.
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Post#467 » by RIP Kobe » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:51 pm

ruckus wrote:
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I'm convinced most people on this board don't watch the videos and don't read the articles. They're all a bunch of Stephen A Smith/Skip Bayless hot take wannabes.

Most franchises would be lucky to have a player that repped the city and franchise as hard as Demar did for Toronto. Hell, he's still wearing his Raptors hat!


they don't even watch games just spit out whatever stats support their opinion.


I wouldn't go that far. It's the blind hate of Demar at this point that really irks me. On the flip side, the blind hate of Masai is a headscratcher as well. The problem is this hot take culture where everyone has to pick a side and defend their point until everyone is exhausted from all the crappy rhetoric being thrown around.

At the end of the day, it's a good trade for all parties involved. The Spurs got what they want. The Raptors got what they wanted. Kawhi and Demar didn't really get what they wanted but I think when the dust settles, they'll see that they got what they needed.


my hate for masai isn't blind. i've met him numerous times and he's actually an **** (confirmed by DD last night in his interview). don't be confused by what he portrays himself as to the media.
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Post#468 » by Lateral Quicks » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:54 pm

Hackett wrote:This is how you turn a 59 win club into garbage.


The entitled fans already turned on Derozan, and they have not had one game with their new boy. Hope every single player that wanted to sign here sees this. So they can do their best to avoid this trash heap.


Most of the knowledgeable fans turned on DD as a player long ago. The casuals that rarely watched games evidently think he was a superstar. This perspective is largely the result of the Raptors marketing him as such, despite never having deserved it.

The biggest reason for this team's success the last half decade is Kyle Lowry. And fortunately he's still with the team.

BTW, it's important to distinguish between the person and the player. I don't hate DD the person - he actually seems like a pretty good dude (aside from how he's handling this trade, that is). I've been immensely frustrated with DD the player for many years.
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Post#469 » by MavCarter » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:57 pm

DeKobe10 wrote:
ruckus wrote:
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they don't even watch games just spit out whatever stats support their opinion.


I wouldn't go that far. It's the blind hate of Demar at this point that really irks me. On the flip side, the blind hate of Masai is a headscratcher as well. The problem is this hot take culture where everyone has to pick a side and defend their point until everyone is exhausted from all the crappy rhetoric being thrown around.

At the end of the day, it's a good trade for all parties involved. The Spurs got what they want. The Raptors got what they wanted. Kawhi and Demar didn't really get what they wanted but I think when the dust settles, they'll see that they got what they needed.


my hate for masai isn't blind. i've met him numerous times and he's actually an **** (confirmed by DD last night in his interview). don't be confused by what he portrays himself as to the media.


yeah ok dekobe10 we believe you
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Post#470 » by MavCarter » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:58 pm

Did dekobe stans have this much energy after game 4 of the cavs series?
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Post#471 » by Sherlock » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:58 pm

Double Helix wrote:I’m not going to put too much into his use of the word sacrifice or try to spin it. We all know Derozan ain’t no wordsmith. ;-)

I truly suspect he uses sacrifice more to mean that he left it all out on the court and worked hard and gave summers and long hours to become better and make the team better and due to time spent doing that and staying patient during some of the low times... he wishes he had been given more transparency.

We need to remember that he’s seen some of his friends more involved in the trade talk process than he was. Lowry knew he was headed to New York for a time. It sounded like Carroll and reps were involved with talks. Rudy may have been as well.

This was a unique situation involving a top 6 NBA player though and we weren’t the ones with leverage or the ones who had been asked to move our guy. If things had fallen through Derozan would have been pissed and as Ujiri said... the Raptors were at one point told they had put forth the 4th best offer. Something Haynes conveniently omitted.


I agree with everything you wrote, but I truly believe Kyle is a much more level-headed guy than DeMar is. It's clear that DeMar is a more emotional guy -- it's hard to imagine a situation where Masai told him he *might* be traded but then the trade not going through wouldn't have a materially detrimental effect on his relationship with the franchise and maybe even his play on the court.

After Lowry thought he was going to NYC and the deal got scuttled, he was completely fine to unzip his suitcase, unpack his clothes and head back to the ACC to play and play well. I really doubt DeMar would have had the same mental fortitude. Maybe it's a function of Lowry already having been traded multiple times prior and understanding the business side of things first-hand. Same w/ Gay and Carroll and others.

DeMar's situation is akin to a straight-A student getting a 'C' on an exam for the first time. A mediocre student would take the 'C' and keep moving. But the straight 'A' student can't handle the rejection that it implies as he's never dealt with it prior. It sucks for DeMar, but he just grew up quickly in the last week.

That all said, if there's anyone who'll be able to get through to him and help him through this, it's Pop. He'll get over this and be fine in San Antonio.
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Post#472 » by Morse Code » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:01 pm

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Morse Code wrote:So happy DeMar is gone. His self entitlement and lack of accountability for his failures always infuriated me. Now this? This is like a high school girl getting dumped for a supermodel and he's trying to throw shade cuz he's hurt. **** off.


He gave his heart and soul to this team... lack of accountability?? Thats all you bro. Fans like you have destroyed this club. We will be **** for a decade because of these short sighted moves.

Free agents are seeing how we treat those that give us their all. We ARE TRASH. Any player/coach that gives his loyalty to this team should have their heads checked.

Khwai, do what is best for you.... the snake in the office certainly wont.


Spare us the histrionics. We gave Casey another three years after the Washington playoff loss debacle, when most other teams would have fired him on the spot. We gave DD well above market value on all his contracts, and a greater role than he ever deserved (I would still argue he would have been developed as a 6th man on just about any other team). As for giving his "heart and soul", he clearly liked it here. Great. But his play didn't remotely live up to his contract when it mattered most - in the playoffs - and it was time for him to go. The Raptors showed incredible loyalty by giving Casey and DD so many kicks at the can.

Masai even said it in the is conference that he gave these guys many more chances than most teams would, in other words. Not to mention the entirety of the Canadian sports media saying nobody is untouchable. Only a moron would assume he's exempt from that. Who's the real snake here? The guy who said "nothing is imminent", or the guy who's acting like a baby because something happened that pretty much every Canadian knew was likely.
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Post#473 » by bon » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:13 pm

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Chandan wrote: But he gifted us with getting rid of derozans presence. Thats enough for me.

This whole fiasco just proved what a loser derozan is.



This team will never smell success the likes they had when they had Derozan again.... for a decade maybe two... this will go down in history as the turning point, and you will change your alias before this new season is up, because you were part of the problem not the solution.


Just save yourself the time and say "I don't watch basketball"
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Post#474 » by Hero » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:14 pm

Wonder how many of the people hating on DeMar are the same ones crying for Vince to be signed.
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Post#475 » by everdiso » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:15 pm

three takeaways from that interview for me:

1. Demar wasn't told he wasn't going to be traded. Masai never said that to him.

2. Demar doesn't want to take the blame for the team's failures. Even though it's well deserved. "You put the blame on just me and Casey? Because obviously we are the only two who had to suffer from the loss that we had in the Cleveland series." Yes, Demar, consider that you and Casey are the ones that deserve almost all of the blame.

3."But it's only one team that we lost to in the postseason -- and that team went to the [NBA] Finals every single year. With an opportunity approaching itself, my mindset and the rest of my teammates' mindset was the only guy who was in the way of making that happen leaves. Now we got a great opportunity to do something that we haven't been able to" THANK CHRIST this loser is gone. what a horrendously pathetic approach. it would be bad enough if the raps had actually played well in any other playoff series, but the fact that they (and he) sucked in all of them makes it even worse. good riddance.
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Post#476 » by bon » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:15 pm

HiMyNameIsTrey wrote:Lmao, Derozan talking about sacrificing his years here? This guy really is clueless and the way he mentions Lebron shows once again he doesn’t have a winner’s mentality. Masai should have traded this bum 5 years ago


The "sacrifice" angle is ridiculous anyway you look at it. He's almost 30 and he STILL hasn't become better at the 2 things that would benefit the team around him (defense and 3 point shooting).
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Post#477 » by Live Free » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:19 pm

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kj_ wrote:I just watched the entire interview. I have been a Demar supporter as a person, for how he’s represented the raptors and toronto and for what he’s brought to the basketball floor. I’ve appreciated his dedication and hard work and that he has improved his game every single year he’s been in the league. I appreciate his role in “helping” to move the team from terrible to very good. I say “helping” because he was a part of it, not the entire thing. He was a big part of it and deserves credit for that.

Now... that video made me sad for Demar.

He sees himself as the victim in this and fails to see any other point of view. His big issue with Masai was that didn’t give him any indication he might be involved in a trade and that’s the part he has a problem with.

Well Demar, everyone that’s been following this team even a little bit has been well aware “no player is untouchable” ... you are a part of that. That was your heads up. Also, every Kawhi trade rumour involving the raptors included your name ... there’s another heads up.

Your public campaign (this interview, Instagram posts) to play the victim and try to angle yourself as the poor innocent player who was treated badly in an attempt to paint Masai as the villain here is immature, childish and more importantly unprofessional.

This was a basketball transaction that was very foreseeable and there isn’t a good guy and a bad guy. Your treating this like a break up where the person dumped talks badly about the other publicly to get everyone on there side so they can feel better about themselves. It’s a childish way to deal with a break up. One day you will realize that the relationship you had with the raptors and Masai was mutually beneficial but also had run its course for both parties. Life will go on, so will basketball, you were not mistreated and there doesn’t always need to be a victim and a villain when personal relationships change.

Grow up Demar, it’s time.


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Beautiful post. This should be stickied so that all the DeRozan fanboys and casuals can comprehend the situation.


In the same interview you watched to come up with this conclusion, demar specifically says he spoke to masai 2 days prior to the trade.. strictly because of the rumors kicking around. My comprehension from his interview is he understands the business of basketball and understands nothing lasts forever... just wanted his trust in management to not being taken advantage of, which did. Yes there were rumors, but there are rumors all day every day all season.. this is when player-gm trust is key.

Seems like he feels he deserves just enough respect from masai to let him mentally prepare from essentially being kicked outta home instead of being blindsided.

Then again you guys are right also, it's nba, cold game... so boo-hoo demar, pack your bags and keep it moving we got sexy kawhi coming or a rebuild.
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Post#478 » by agentzero2010 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:19 pm

Hes still wearing Comp10...the feels man
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Post#479 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:21 pm

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Most of the knowledgeable fans turned on DD as a player long ago. The casuals that rarely watched games evidently think he was a superstar. This perspective is largely the result of the Raptors marketing him as such, despite never having deserved it.


Like the casuals who picked him 2nd team ALL NBA?
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Post#480 » by Mikistan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:23 pm

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