2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Mattatron]

That VanVleet for Oladipo S&T is interesting. Follow that up by signing Aron Baynes with the MLE.

Lowry
Oladipo
Anunoby
Siakam
Baynes

Back in bid'ness

With you on Baynes but we are not trading Fred. Like we may not resign him (highly unlikely) but ill bet the house we dont sign and trade him.

Baynes and Giles are the two guys I want to round out our big man rotation. Both should come for the Mini MLE and vet min respectively. After that, you convert Brissett and Watson, maybe take a flier on dunn at the vet min assuming Chicago wont match (long shot but why not try)

Call it an off season

Why don't you believe in it? He once said he's thankful for the organization and ist the first team to talk about that stuff. They gave him the chance when no one believed in him.

[Mattatron]

I don't regret this season but we missed out on acquiring assets by starting the rebuild by the trade deadline. Raps obviously felt they could contend with this group so didn't make any trades. But it likely would've been in our long term interests to trade Ibaka, FVV, etc at the deadline. We now risk losing them for nothing.

I'm also concerned we don't have much going for us this off season and next season. Even "running it back" is not a good option. Next year the Celtics, Bucks, Nets, Heat will all be competitive. With no roster changes we're probably looking at being the 4-6 seed.

What assets do we have available this off season? Not many in my opinion. We likely aren't trading Lowry. I doubt we give up on Siakam. TD is a good project worth keeping. Don't think it makes sense to trade OG. Norm is the only guy we are likely willing to trade and who other teams will find valuable.

I think this off season and next season will be tough. We're looking at a border line playoff team with a peak of making it to the 2nd round again.

Nah no one said we can contend but these guys like masai said before the season started, they deserve it and earned the right to play together and it was a success. We're still in the same level as the heat, sixers and the Bucks. We don't rebuild under Ujiri. Go pack your stuff. It's just a retool. Only 2 teams can advance to the ecf.
I don't like the thinking that only winning it all or nothing is the way. As a organization you have responsibilities for the players, the city, the fans to give everything you can and stay winning. The spurs never thought about rebuilding as long their guys are playing or the Detroit pistons in the mid 2000. You have to try, year after year. That's the only way.

[ash_k]

Wiggins and Oubre??? disgusting, I'd rather take the best wing available with our 29th pick and give him 20 shots a game than have Masaii trade for either of those clowns.

You do realize that it is not NBA2K out there, right? you saw it yourself for 7 games against elite competition: scoring is the hardest thing to do in NBA..and you know what is harder than scoring? scoring consistently 20+ pts per game..Wiggins can do both (and plus he can defend.)

[Grew]

Wiggins and Oubre??? disgusting, I'd rather take the best wing available with our 29th pick and give him 20 shots a game than have Masaii trade for either of those clowns.

You do realize that it is not NBA2K out there, right? you saw it yourself for 7 games against elite competition: scoring is the hardest thing to do in NBA..and you know what is harder than scoring? scoring consistently 20+ pts per game..Wiggins can do both (and plus he can defend.)

Wiggins has never proven he can score 20+ efficiently on a good team, he has also never proven he can defend at a high level in the NBA for any length of time.

[Zeno]

The Lowry trade I was thinking of was to the Spurs. Lowry, Stanley for Patty Mills, Aldridge and the #12. Lowry and Demar back together again under Pop.

[Rapsfan07]

The Lowry trade I was thinking of was to the Spurs. Lowry, Stanley for Patty Mills, Aldridge and the #12. Lowry and Demar back together again under Pop.

I don't think the Spurs do it. With the direction the team is headed, I imagine #12 would be more valuable than an aging and expiring Lowry.

[MavCarter]

Toxic hindsight realgm know it alls love to arm coach gm/coach but then you read this thread and truly realize how awful a lot of people would be at the same job they criticize others for

[Zeno]

The Lowry trade I was thinking of was to the Spurs. Lowry, Stanley for Patty Mills, Aldridge and the #12. Lowry and Demar back together again under Pop.

I don't think the Spurs do it. With the direction the team is headed, I imagine #12 would be more valuable than an aging and expiring

I think they probably would and I was thinking that the Raptors should get more in the package. This isn’t a great draft. Pop does want to hang around rebuilding. Aldridge and Mills are expiring to but are really just marginal rotation guys at this point. It preserves our cap space for 2021, fills out the roster. I’m assuming Masai would have someone they really like at 12. Otherwise it’s not worth it.

[alienchild]

Just rename this thread Insanity Central.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I could see the Raptors trading up for Theo Maledon. Eventual successor to Lowry at PG.

[Son Goku 25]

Issue is that Lowry is in win now mode. I just cant see lowry being part of a bad retool unless we have another shot at winning the next couple of years. We likely go after win now players without messing with 2021 FA

[Clutch0z24]

this guy could be a steal in the draft......he has franchise player potential

Watch on YouTube

I liked him as well but idk if he will be on the board at 29

If i had my way id get that number 2 pick from Warriors for Siakam and Grab Lamelo Ball, trade our pick + a player for RJ Hampton and run 2 Demigod PGs at Pg and Sg ....and rebuild cause i do not see this team being Elite after Lowry is gone sadly...Siakam is a Bosh type player and we have no real guys who can become a star...I don't see us getting better in free agency unless we get Giannis Bascially Giannis or Bust at this point

[LoveMyRaps]

Note: Could also replace Reddick with Lonzo Ball in the deal.

[2019nbachamps]

I don't regret this season but we missed out on acquiring assets by starting the rebuild by the trade deadline. Raps obviously felt they could contend with this group so didn't make any trades. But it likely would've been in our long term interests to trade Ibaka, FVV, etc at the deadline. We now risk losing them for nothing.

I'm also concerned we don't have much going for us this off season and next season. Even "running it back" is not a good option. Next year the Celtics, Bucks, Nets, Heat will all be competitive. With no roster changes we're probably looking at being the 4-6 seed.

What assets do we have available this off season? Not many in my opinion. We likely aren't trading Lowry. I doubt we give up on Siakam. TD is a good project worth keeping. Don't think it makes sense to trade OG. Norm is the only guy we are likely willing to trade and who other teams will find valuable.

I think this off season and next season will be tough. We're looking at a border line playoff team with a peak of making it to the 2nd round again.

Nah no one said we can contend but these guys like masai said before the season started, they deserve it and earned the right to play together and it was a success. We're still in the same level as the heat, sixers and the Bucks. We don't rebuild under Ujiri. Go pack your stuff. It's just a retool. Only 2 teams can advance to the ecf.
I don't like the thinking that only winning it all or nothing is the way. As a organization you have responsibilities for the players, the city, the fans to give everything you can and stay winning. The spurs never thought about rebuilding as long their guys are playing or the Detroit pistons in the mid 2000. You have to try, year after year. That's the only way.

Spurs had a HOFer, had a horrible season and got a #1 overall pick, which they used to obtain the best PF of all time. That enabled them to win 2 titles. Through astute drafting they obtained 2 more HOFers in Parker and Ginobili. They surrounded them over the years with excellent all-star calibre pieces (eg Stephen Jackson) and future HOFers (eg Kawhi).

All this to say they started their dynasty with 2 of the best players ever (Robinson and Duncan).

We have some really good players but no one who can be the cornerstone of a title contender. We hope Siakam can be that guy by the jury is out. With our current assets I don't see us acquiring a superstar. Unless we land a superstar in free agency next summer I see us being in a cycle of "good" but not "good enough" over the foreseeable future.

[Rapsfan07]

How close is a S&T deal of Ibaka for Holiday? What else should either side add to make the value and math work?

[sogood]

Note: Could also replace Reddick with Lonzo Ball in the deal.

That's a homer ass trade lol. They wouldn't do that for Holiday and Redick, let alone include a lottery pick.

[Clutch0z24]

How close is a S&T deal of Ibaka for Holiday? What else should either side add to make the value and math work?

Why would they want Ibaka? They got Zion and Hayes if they were to trade Jrue they will get a bigger bag then Ibaka

[Mattatron]

The Lowry trade I was thinking of was to the Spurs. Lowry, Stanley for Patty Mills, Aldridge and the #12. Lowry and Demar back together again under Pop.

I don't think the Spurs do it. With the direction the team is headed, I imagine #12 would be more valuable than an aging and expiring

I think they probably would and I was thinking that the Raptors should get more in the package. This isn’t a great draft. Pop does want to hang around rebuilding. Aldridge and Mills are expiring to but are really just marginal rotation guys at this point. It preserves our cap space for 2021, fills out the roster. I’m assuming Masai would have someone they really like at 12. Otherwise it’s not worth it.

Doesn't make any sense. Spurs have a big backcourt rotation already with Murray set at the 1 and Lonnie Walker, Derrick white, Bryan Forbes. Those guys are young and hungry. Why should they trade for Lowry, they don't need him. Especially, even when the upcoming draft is not good, they are not trading the pick. This is nonsens

[Mattatron]

I don't regret this season but we missed out on acquiring assets by starting the rebuild by the trade deadline. Raps obviously felt they could contend with this group so didn't make any trades. But it likely would've been in our long term interests to trade Ibaka, FVV, etc at the deadline. We now risk losing them for nothing.

I'm also concerned we don't have much going for us this off season and next season. Even "running it back" is not a good option. Next year the Celtics, Bucks, Nets, Heat will all be competitive. With no roster changes we're probably looking at being the 4-6 seed.

What assets do we have available this off season? Not many in my opinion. We likely aren't trading Lowry. I doubt we give up on Siakam. TD is a good project worth keeping. Don't think it makes sense to trade OG. Norm is the only guy we are likely willing to trade and who other teams will find valuable.

I think this off season and next season will be tough. We're looking at a border line playoff team with a peak of making it to the 2nd round again.

Nah no one said we can contend but these guys like masai said before the season started, they deserve it and earned the right to play together and it was a success. We're still in the same level as the heat, sixers and the Bucks. We don't rebuild under Ujiri. Go pack your stuff. It's just a retool. Only 2 teams can advance to the ecf.
I don't like the thinking that only winning it all or nothing is the way. As a organization you have responsibilities for the players, the city, the fans to give everything you can and stay winning. The spurs never thought about rebuilding as long their guys are playing or the Detroit pistons in the mid 2000. You have to try, year after year. That's the only way.

Spurs had a HOFer, had a horrible season and got a #1 overall pick, which they used to obtain the best PF of all time. That enabled them to win 2 titles. Through astute drafting they obtained 2 more HOFers in Parker and Ginobili. They surrounded them over the years with excellent all-star calibre pieces (eg Stephen Jackson) and future HOFers (eg Kawhi).

All this to say they started their dynasty with 2 of the best players ever (Robinson and Duncan).

We have some really good players but no one who can be the cornerstone of a title contender. We hope Siakam can be that guy by the jury is out. With our current assets I don't see us acquiring a superstar. Unless we land a superstar in free agency next summer I see us being in a cycle of "good" but not "good enough" over the foreseeable future.

And exactly this is enough in a weaker eastern conference. The Nets are a wildcard with kd coming back of a Achilles Injury and Irving being a clown. Celtics are packed with their cap space, Miami is Miami and not really a great threat, they're on the same level. Bucks blowing it up in a year. The rotation of them sucks heavily. Sixers are stacked with the worst contract in the league und full of guys that can't shoot the ball. The eastern conference will be open for many years to come. I know the spurs had those guys, but they also got bounced out of the 1st round, Dallas too, with great teams, but they kept them together and grind it out. Every year. Was fine pre kawhu, but it hurts getting knocked out every by a guy called LeBron. I'd rather having a winning record and show everyone that this is a winning team that just needs to plug a star into the lineup than rebuild fully. I mean your take is a joke. You was thinking about trading og. The f*ck is wrong with u. This heat team got 44 wins. Philly was healthy all season long and was just the 6thseed.

[Mattatron]

this guy could be a steal in the draft......he has franchise player potential

Watch on YouTube

I liked him as well but idk if he will be on the board at 29

If i had my way id get that number 2 pick from Warriors for Siakam and Grab Lamelo Ball, trade our pick + a player for RJ Hampton and run 2 Demigod PGs at Pg and Sg ....and rebuild cause i do not see this team being Elite after Lowry is gone sadly...Siakam is a Bosh type player and we have no real guys who can become a star...I don't see us getting better in free agency unless we get Giannis Bascially Giannis or Bust at this point

Are you really comparing Siakam with Bosh? Bosh was more skillful. Siakam is nowhere in this tier