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720 wrote:Was watching our game vs KD where he had 51 points and we still won.
Look at our record, Kawhi still on the roster…good old days.
Hope we go back to that kind of glory within the next few years.
Mehar wrote:raptor jesus wrote:I've gone back to Kuminga tape several times, and I keep coming away underwhelmed. I know he's a work in progress from a skill and feel perspective, but even athletically he looks kinda slow to me, especially with the ball. Ok, he can blow by Henry Ellenson and Poku; but against speedier defenders, it really looks like a struggle for him as he has to spin away or back down guys. I just don't see the explosiveness some have talked about - I think he's gonna have to rely more on strength and craftiness.
I said this a couple of weeks to some posters who were saying the Raptors should draft Kuminga over Suggs. He has good potential, but no way the Raptors should draft him over Suggs at 4. I feel the same way about Scottie Barnes as well. Raptors should not draft Kuming or Barnes over Suggs at 4. It would be a long-term mistake.
720 wrote:Was watching our game vs KD where he had 51 points and we still won.
Look at our record, Kawhi still on the roster…good old days.
Hope we go back to that kind of glory within the next few years.
raptor jesus wrote:Mehar wrote:raptor jesus wrote:I've gone back to Kuminga tape several times, and I keep coming away underwhelmed. I know he's a work in progress from a skill and feel perspective, but even athletically he looks kinda slow to me, especially with the ball. Ok, he can blow by Henry Ellenson and Poku; but against speedier defenders, it really looks like a struggle for him as he has to spin away or back down guys. I just don't see the explosiveness some have talked about - I think he's gonna have to rely more on strength and craftiness.
I said this a couple of weeks to some posters who were saying the Raptors should draft Kuminga over Suggs. He has good potential, but no way the Raptors should draft him over Suggs at 4. I feel the same way about Scottie Barnes as well. Raptors should not draft Kuming or Barnes over Suggs at 4. It would be a long-term mistake.
I have Barnes above Kuminga because I think Barnes is a more functional athlete e.g. faster with the ball, and his skill and feel is well above that of Kuminga imo. I've seen jaw-dropping plays from Barnes like ridiculous cross-court passes and one-man fastbreaks; I haven't really seen those flashes of brilliance from Kuminga. I know the level of competition is different, but the game is the same.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
5 years? You smoking? This isnt a Bruno type prospect. I dont think you understand the type of prospect Mobley is. The guy dominated the NCAA this past year and had the best +/- since AD and Zion. Mobley is a crazy talent. He will make a major impact by his 2nd year. Adding mass will come but its not going to set him back until he does. He has a permiter game as well as a post up game.
We are not moving Fred and Siakam to a full blown rebuild if we get any of Suggs or Mobley. That doesnt make any sense. Both rookies will make an impact by season 2.
I think Mobley will need 2-3 years before he starts making an elite-level impact.
Thats what Im saying. Not 5.
Tor_Raps wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
I think Mobley will need 2-3 years before he starts making an elite-level impact.
Thats what Im saying. Not 5.
Ya I agree. Chris Bosh was weaker coming into the league still had a solid rookie year playing out of position at Center for us. He was impactful in Year 2 while becoming an allstar in year 3. No reason why Mobley can't follow that trajectory based on his current skill set.
That would bring Fred/Pascal to age 30, which is still their primes. It is good to have a mixture of youth and veteran players (e.g. see Suns right now).
HumbleRen wrote:720 wrote:Was watching our game vs KD where he had 51 points and we still won.
Look at our record, Kawhi still on the roster…good old days.
Hope we go back to that kind of glory within the next few years.
Watched every single game that year lol. It was surreal to have a top 3 player on the Raptors, I didn’t want to take it for granted.
WuTang_OG wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Thats what Im saying. Not 5.
Ya I agree. Chris Bosh was weaker coming into the league still had a solid rookie year playing out of position at Center for us. He was impactful in Year 2 while becoming an allstar in year 3. No reason why Mobley can't follow that trajectory based on his current skill set.
That would bring Fred/Pascal to age 30, which is still their primes. It is good to have a mixture of youth and veteran players (e.g. see Suns right now).
I think everyone also forgets OG. He improved drastically last season and will only get better the next two years. That will be 3 really solid players putting up 20 on any given night. If Mobley is added to that core and reaches his potential, its game over. We just need a bench.
Tor_Raps wrote:Add a legit [backup] SF to that mix and we're already in business there.
tecumseh18 wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:Add a legit [backup] SF to that mix and we're already in business there.
Unless we think Watson or Watanabe can handle the backup 3, I'd be tempted to bring Stanley back on a minimum one year deal to continue his development. If he plays well, then Raps would at least have his full Bird rights next summer.
SJ is not a productive player by any metric, but he does have the size you want to see out there if OG misses some games.
Raps in 4 wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
They wouldn't be able to play together. We'd need to trade one of the three.
They absolutely could play together. Probably not year one as you need Kuminga to develop more before he warrants time over other players, but as a team fit. Those three can work fine together.
The key is OG. OG can guard 1-5. He also doesn't need the ball in his hand to be efficient. You can have Kuminga and Pascal at the 3-4.
For this to work you probably need a starting 5 like Kelly O who is spread the floor guy. Until Kuminga proves he can hit the 3 teams will sag on him.
First year most of the offense is still going to run through Pascal and Siakam anyways so you wouldn't be asking Kuminga to do much other than defend, and hit open shots.
That is one of the beautiful things about our current roster. We have maximum flexibility.
Draft a PG? Fred can play the 2.
Draft a SG? Fred can play the 1.
Draft a SF? OG can play the 2-3-4.
Draft a PF? Small ball in crunch time.
Draft a C? Oh look we have an open spot.
There isn't a single draft prospect in the top 10 where we would have to adjust our roster to get them minutes.
Sure, they could play together, but they'd be a bad team. They all play the same position. It works with 2 of them since SF and PF are interchangeable with players of their size. But none of them have SG skills.
That would be an amazing draftPrinceAli wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Toronto Raptors: Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
Kyle Terada-USA TODAY Sports
Height: 6-4
Weight: 205 lbs.
Year: Freshman
Position: G
Suggs is highly touted for his ability to play both guard positions and his athleticism on the court. Certainly, his poise to hit the game-winning shot over UCLA in the Final Four backs up his winning mentality and ability to step up in crunch time.
Gonzaga teammate Corey Kispert may have said it best when describing Suggs recently.
“He is a crazy competitor, wants to win more than anything,” Kispert said. “He plays with amazing pace, doesn’t turn it over. All of the comparisons people make about him playing high school football and how he sees the court are all true. He sees the court really well, learns the game unbelievably for a 20-year-old. Whoever is fortunate enough to land Jalen is going to get a really good guy.”
Same mock has us taking
46. Toronto Raptors (via Memphis): Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
47. Toronto Raptors (via Golden State): Rokas Jokubaitis, Zalgiris
I remember kyle hitting the game clinching 3 pointer in front of the warriors bench and stared them/steph down while holding the follow through. Steph looked half impressed and half like he wanted to fight Kyle lol. I had the pic of the moment somewhere. Im sure it was all in good fun.tecumseh18 wrote:720 wrote:Was watching our game vs KD where he had 51 points and we still won.
Look at our record, Kawhi still on the roster…good old days.
Hope we go back to that kind of glory within the next few years.
Steph didn't play in that game, but IIRC Kyle was playing hurt and not very productive. Or maybe it was Pascal. And undoubtedly OG was out.
But it was a nationally televised game, and quite the barn burner. So nice to be relevant.
MavCarter wrote:Suggs being compared to brandon roy and dwyane wade and westbrook and dearon fox etc on here. He should definitely go #1
