[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[TheRaptor!]

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

And are people this sensitive? Good grief

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LMAO i cant believe what i just read.

This is the internet....lmao

[TheRaptor!]

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

And how do you kill two birds with one stone?

That paints a very disturbing mental image, please refrain from using such phrase.

Thank you

[2019nbachamps]

I think GTJ is most likely to be traded. Raps management is very high on OG and FVV.

[mihaic]

I think GTJ is most likely to be traded. Raps management is very high on OG and FVV.

If it were up to me and I had to trade one of them, then that would be my choice too. But it would have to improve the team.

Sometimes I wonder how our team would fare if we replaced Gtj with Demar. This team needs a volume scorer IMO.

[mihaic]

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

And how do you kill two birds with one stone?

Easier than you may think. You can go pick up the stone that killed the first bird.

[And1+2]

This thread, lol.

[Tacoma]

I think GTJ is most likely to be traded. Raps management is very high on OG and FVV.

If it were up to me and I had to trade one of them, then that would be my choice too. But it would have to improve the team.

Sometimes I wonder how our team would fare if we replaced Gtj with Demar. This team needs a volume scorer IMO.

With a player option next summer, this will essentially be GTJ's contract year. GTJ will either continue improving or not. If he does, then no team is likely to offer much in return to rent GTJ for 1 year (or less). If he doesn't improve, no team is going to make a material offer, period. Thus I don't see trading GTJ any greater unless it's an offer Masai can't refuse, but this applies to all players.

I see the most likely scenario to be continuing to build from within and trying to find diamonds in the rough via FA or draft. Either way, GTR will be re-signed from asset management perspective. I don't think an OG trade is likely. I see Masai/Nurse looking at a future Barnes/OG pairing similar to Tatum/Brown and building on already positive culture that can attract future free agents.

[Young Moosehead]

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

And how do you kill two birds with one stone?

Easier than you may think. You can go pick up the stone that killed the first bird.

Option 2) Ricochet

Option 3) Really big stone. Birds standing kinda close.

[alan_156]

OG in a deal for Myles Turner makes us better.

[Parataxis]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

At least in terms of how to skin a cat, as I learned in OAC Biology, unless you want to lose marks, there is actually only one way to skin a cat.

[JustWin]

OG the most overrated Raptors player in a long, long time...

[TGM]

OG you don't trade man. This guy is a unicorn. He doesn't have that obnoxious demeanor, but he wins us games.

No one is untouchable maybe except for Scottie, but if you get a kings ransom you need to consider the trade.

Do you know what the word unicorn means?

I'm not being fickle like most of you changing your stance on a player over who is the flavor of the month.

You that legit two way players like OG don't grow on trees? You might have guys that have amazing offense or defense, but playing the two way game OG can in the shadow of Kawhi is next level. He also has the body and athleticism to impact the game in the way the league is played now.

I'll give you an example, OG's value in the league is sort of like Jimmy Butler back with the Bulls. He is viewed as a good two way player, but not a go to guy. Look at Jimmy B now. Trading OG at the age he is act, is one of those things that you regret as a franchise 2-3 years later. Wiggins is sort of also going down that path slowly. Look at Demar. Some guys don't blossom as fast, but have an extended ceiling where you give time they keep on improving. That's who OG is.

Trent, sure let him go. Apart from get some steals, he actually isn't a great defender. Guys like him you can easily replace. What OG can become don't just give up.

Also, OG has one of those quiet demeanors. I'm sure if he was loud obnoxious like a Joel, right away people would think he is a better player. We saw what OG could do when he has the ball and can be a focal part of the offense. Its Nurse's job to figure out how to extract the most out of the guy. But don't question the talent.

[mihaic]

I think GTJ is most likely to be traded. Raps management is very high on OG and FVV.

If it were up to me and I had to trade one of them, then that would be my choice too. But it would have to improve the team.

Sometimes I wonder how our team would fare if we replaced Gtj with Demar. This team needs a volume scorer IMO.

With a player option next summer, this will essentially be GTJ's contract year. GTJ will either continue improving or not. If he does, then no team is likely to offer much in return to rent GTJ for 1 year (or less). If he doesn't improve, no team is going to make a material offer, period. Thus I don't see trading GTJ any greater unless it's an offer Masai can't refuse, but this applies to all players.

I see the most likely scenario to be continuing to build from within and trying to find diamonds in the rough via FA or draft. Either way, GTR will be re-signed from asset management perspective. I don't think an OG trade is likely. I see Masai/Nurse looking at a future Barnes/OG pairing similar to Tatum/Brown and building on already positive culture that can attract future free agents.

100% agree, like I said, unless we somehow trade him for a package that increased our chances to improve the team (i.e. high pick or "star" player) I would also prefer to keep GTJ.

I also hope the OG rumour is nothing, I am excited about our core as it is. But things can happen...

[mihaic]

And how do you kill two birds with one stone?

Easier than you may think. You can go pick up the stone that killed the first bird.

Option 2) Ricochet

Option 3) Really big stone. Birds standing kinda close.

lol

[Clutch0z24]

OG you don't trade man. This guy is a unicorn. He doesn't have that obnoxious demeanor, but he wins us games.

No one is untouchable maybe except for Scottie, but if you get a kings ransom you need to consider the trade.

Do you know what the word unicorn means?

I'm not being fickle like most of you changing your stance on a player over who is the flavor of the month.

You that legit two way players like OG don't grow on trees? You might have guys that have amazing offense or defense, but playing the two way game OG can in the shadow of Kawhi is next level. He also has the body and athleticism to impact the game in the way the league is played now.

I'll give you an example, OG's value in the league is sort of like Jimmy Butler back with the Bulls. He is viewed as a good two way player, but not a go to guy. Look at Jimmy B now. Trading OG at the age he is act, is one of those things that you regret as a franchise 2-3 years later. Wiggins is sort of also going down that path slowly. Look at Demar. Some guys don't blossom as fast, but have an extended ceiling where you give time they keep on improving. That's who OG is.

Trent, sure let him go. Apart from get some steals, he actually isn't a great defender. Guys like him you can easily replace. What OG can become don't just give up.

Also, OG has one of those quiet demeanors. I'm sure if he was loud obnoxious like a Joel, right away people would think he is a better player. We saw what OG could do when he has the ball and can be a focal part of the offense. Its Nurse's job to figure out how to extract the most out of the guy. But don't question the talent.

OG has a great ceiling but the problem we have right now is the fit on our roster......Scottie Barnes is now our guy for the next decade and we have Siakam who is better atm then OG ....Barnes/OG/Siakam do not fit together since they all play the same position/defend the same position/Have the same style of games...

OG is a good shooter but not an excellent 3 point shooter....OG is just an average 3 Point shooter and Siakam/Barnes are also not the best 3 point shooters as of yet....Also having all 3 in the starting lineup forces Siakam to start at the C position where that is just not his natural position and he really can't guard the C's in the league which is throwing things off...

So now you have to make a decision on what players you keep and which one you trade cause im not convinced the 3 can co exist together just cause their games are all too much alike....This is a team game so when you already have 3 guys who do roughly the same thing in your starting lineup your going to lack big time in other areas that are going to make your team not be as good as it could be....

This team lacking 3 point shooting/Spacing/Big man play/Rebounding/Rim protection (I could not stand how easy it was for the 76ers to get layups vs us)/Bench Depth

Now if your lacking so many things you have to try and make it better some way and the way you do that is by trading one of the 3 players that don't fit together....

Imo if i was in charge i would trade Siakam>OG just because OG is much younger and on a better contract and fits the Barnes timeline more...But im not in charge and Masai is and i can see him having Siakam>OG

If you can get either an elite big man to help with the need we have for a C with rim protection/rebounding then you can put Siakam back to his natural position at PF and Barnes has a Secure spot at the SF position....

If you can bring in bench depth + 3 Point shooting (Potential #7 Pick, Hart/Simons) Then you also can move Siakam/Barnes to Natural Position...

OG is a great player (Slightly overrated by Raps fans) but hes still going to have a chance to be a really good player in the NBA but as a team game you need to address other areas where we are weak at since we already are strong at the 3/4 spot with Siakam/Barnes there

[KenoP13]

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

Age 32 season and later:
Lowry - 2 AS appearance, 0 seasons of VORP > 3
Duncan - 5 AS appearance, 5 seasons of VORP > 3
Garnett - 4 AS appearance, 2 seasons of VORP > 3
Nowitzki - 4 AS appearance (excluding his "special" selection), 3 seasons of VORP > 3

Siakam's not those HOFer - less talented and he probably can't transition to C as easily. I think the bigger question, though, is what do you trade him for if you want to re-shuffle the timelines? I think a lotto pick could really backfire just as easily as losing him to age.

I never said they ceased being good players. Duncan was a fantastic player all up until his very last game. Garnett became a smarter player when he joined Boston. But, he clearly regressed in his last couple of years on the team. The same goes when he went to New Jersey. Nowitzki regressed in the last few years too.

Plus, there is the advantage generational players have in all start voting.. Also, the fact that there are fewer guys to compete with in the voting process. Not to take anything away from their all start selections. They were all well deserved.

Anyway, I think that is a very good question.. Who would we go for? It really depends on what is presented on the table. If we are serious about fast-tracking to make Barnes our franchise player.. I would say a top 5 pick.. If one was to become available.. And naturally a good rotation player or two.. Also, potential possibilities with disgruntled high scoring players. Guys like Donovan Mitchell..

There are potential scenarios to play out. Whether any of these are likely to occur.. I don't know.. But Ujiri can certainly explore possibilities.

[KenoP13]

Trading Pascal actually makes the least amount of sense because he’s our best player who is just entering his prime and plays such an important role on this team. We know at the very least he’s a 2nd option on a championship team. You don’t trade him for players that you hope to be as good as Pascal because the reality is it’s highly unlikely none of those picks or young prospects become as good as him.

It would also send the wrong message to players like Scottie and our other young players and could end up losing Scottie as a result. Players ultimately want to win and trading our best player would set this team back years.

I honestly can’t recall a time where trading an ALL-NBA talent entering his prime worked out for the teams that traded them.

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

Pascal is our best player and he just turned 28 years old. If you trade him you'll just be spending the next few years trying to get a player as good as he is. We didn't need to trade Lowry when he was 29 years old in 2015 and we don't need to trade Pascal. Pascal is an ALL-NBA caliber player who can easily be the 2nd option on a championship team.

Yes, it'd be great if Scottie became our franchise player but you don't force him to become one when he's not one at this point in time. And that also doesn't mean you trade everyone that is ahead of him on the pecking order. If Scottie truly becomes a franchise player then no moves will need to be made because he will take over the team and the other players will take on less responsibility.

I don't think people realize just how disastrous it is to trade ALL-NBA caliber players in their prime. It never works out and Scottie will be signing somewhere else in 3-4 years after numerous trips to the lottery because we traded our best players for picks and unproven prospects. LOL.

Trading ALL-NBA talent in their prime never happens because teams aren't dumb enough to trade them unless they request a trade LOL. Garnett and Pierce were in their mid-30's when they were dealt, not in their prime. The reason you don't see teams trade ALL-NBA players in their prime is because you're never going to get equal value for them. You can get back all the picks in the world but there is a 99% chance that those picks don't end up ever netting you a player as good as the player you are trading. The Garnett/Pierce trade was one of the worst trades in history simply because they were well past their prime and the Nets became a lottery team because of it. But if that trade was made even three years earlier, the Nets would've had some reasonably successful playoff runs and the Celtics would have never landed Brown and Tatum as they would've been picking in the late 20's instead of the high lottery.

Celtics are also a good example. They had Tatum/Brown but still went out and acquired Kyrie, signed Hayward and then when Kyrie wanted out they replaced him with Kemba. Notice how they not only didn't trade their best players but they actually went out and acquired more pieces. Do you think that hurt Tatum and Brown's development? I'd say it helped their development because they weren't given a ton of a responsibility earlier in their careers and were able to progress properly. Tatum/Brown don't know what it's like to lose. They've been a part of a winning culture their entire career.

There is too much to respond to here.. So, i'll just keep my response brief. I hope I don't miss anything.

A) Pascal is going to be turning 29 and his value is at an all time high. Selling high is a good decision. In comparison Garnett was turning 31 when he was dealt by the Timberwolves to the Celtics.

B) I think this notion that you should not trade a good player because expecting the returning player to be "as good" is very flawed. Players have different types of games. It's not simply a measure of how good you think the returning player will be... Not to mention.. If you trade for a 20 year old rookie and say he will likely never be as good as a guy who made the All Nba third team...
It's not some ridiculously high achievement that one should never expect a top guy in a draft to achieve.

C) I agree with the winning culture argument.. But, that doesn't mean you have to become stagnant and refuse to move any talent on your team. We have a championship coach.. One of the top defensive point guards in the league.. A rookie of the year.. OG who had an equally impressive playoff performance to Siakam... GTJ- a very efficient scoring guard.

Siakam is not some anchor that is impossible to replace. The man **** the bed two games in a row against Philly. Refusing to shoot in the second half of game 2..

[KenoP13]

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

Pascal is our best player and he just turned 28 years old. If you trade him you'll just be spending the next few years trying to get a player as good as he is. We didn't need to trade Lowry when he was 29 years old in 2015 and we don't need to trade Pascal. Pascal is an ALL-NBA caliber player who can easily be the 2nd option on a championship team.

Yes, it'd be great if Scottie became our franchise player but you don't force him to become one when he's not one at this point in time. And that also doesn't mean you trade everyone that is ahead of him on the pecking order. If Scottie truly becomes a franchise player then no moves will need to be made because he will take over the team and the other players will take on less responsibility.

I don't think people realize just how disastrous it is to trade ALL-NBA caliber players in their prime. It never works out and Scottie will be signing somewhere else in 3-4 years after numerous trips to the lottery because we traded our best players for picks and unproven prospects. LOL.

Trading ALL-NBA talent in their prime never happens because teams aren't dumb enough to trade them unless they request a trade LOL. Garnett and Pierce were in their mid-30's when they were dealt, not in their prime. The reason you don't see teams trade ALL-NBA players in their prime is because you're never going to get equal value for them. You can get back all the picks in the world but there is a 99% chance that those picks don't end up ever netting you a player as good as the player you are trading. The Garnett/Pierce trade was one of the worst trades in history simply because they were well past their prime and the Nets became a lottery team because of it. But if that trade was made even three years earlier, the Nets would've had some reasonably successful playoff runs and the Celtics would have never landed Brown and Tatum as they would've been picking in the late 20's instead of the high lottery.

Celtics are also a good example. They had Tatum/Brown but still went out and acquired Kyrie, signed Hayward and then when Kyrie wanted out they replaced him with Kemba. Notice how they not only didn't trade their best players but they actually went out and acquired more pieces. Do you think that hurt Tatum and Brown's development? I'd say it helped their development because they weren't given a ton of a responsibility earlier in their careers and were able to progress properly. Tatum/Brown don't know what it's like to lose. They've been a part of a winning culture their entire career.

It's like saying the Celts should've traded away Horford prior to the season because he's older than the core group and he'd take minutes away from Williams. Good teams have players in all age brackets and they have multiple good players at all positions.

Horford plays a very particular role on the team. He is not a high usage player taking 15-20 shots per game. I think they are very different situations.

[KenoP13]

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

Age 32 season and later:
Lowry - 2 AS appearance, 0 seasons of VORP > 3
Duncan - 5 AS appearance, 5 seasons of VORP > 3
Garnett - 4 AS appearance, 2 seasons of VORP > 3
Nowitzki - 4 AS appearance (excluding his "special" selection), 3 seasons of VORP > 3

Siakam's not those HOFer - less talented and he probably can't transition to C as easily. I think the bigger question, though, is what do you trade him for if you want to re-shuffle the timelines? I think a lotto pick could really backfire just as easily as losing him to age.

I feel like you can only trade Siakam for an instant impact type player, someone with star potential or a package of 2-3 1st rounders (the picks gotta be high so not a trade to a contender for picks).

As each year goes by and he’s 1 year older obviously depending on how he plays this’ll change. But atm he should warrant a big package of picks and or prospects.

This is why Ujiri needs to become best friends with Divac in the next few weeks. Take him out drinking.. Pamper him up.. And get him to give us their fourth pick, Davion Mitchell and a few more first rounds picks.. Knowing their dysfunctional management.. Those picks could all be in the top 10.

Update- Oh, I had no clue Divac was out.. That really puts a hamper on everything..

[nestea]

I think GTJ is most likely to be traded. Raps management is very high on OG and FVV.

If it were up to me and I had to trade one of them, then that would be my choice too. But it would have to improve the team.

Sometimes I wonder how our team would fare if we replaced Gtj with Demar. This team needs a volume scorer IMO.

DeMar spoke on that during free agency. Said that ship has sailed.