Damian Lillard Trade Request Part 3

[HumbleRen]

I just don't understand how MIA thinks they can pivot and offer the same assets for better players like Giannis and Luka.

This is there chance to land a top 15 player by basically giving up only depth assets. Other organizations are better positioned to make much better offers for players like Giannis, Luka, Embiid if they come on the market.

Lillard is still great but his price is reduced due to salary/age reasons and MIA should take advantage of this quickly.

Keeping their cards open for Donavan Mitchell IMO.

[OakleyDokely]

I just don't understand how MIA thinks they can pivot and offer the same assets for better players like Giannis and Luka.

This is there chance to land a top 15 player by basically giving up only depth assets. Other organizations are better positioned to make much better offers for players like Giannis, Luka, Embiid if they come on the market.

Lillard is still great but his price is reduced due to salary/age reasons and MIA should take advantage of this quickly.

Keeping their cards open for Donavan Mitchell IMO.

I know he's younger, but I'd much rather have Lillard given their current window. Butler's already 34 and their window of contention is only as long as Butler's continued greatness which might be only a season or two more.

[WaltFrazier]

ya, I don't think teams are interested in OG based on what he can be. They're interested in what he already is, which is an all-defensive caliber player who can guard 1-5 and hit 3s at a good clip. Those skills alone have tremendous value, especially for a contending team that need support players for their superstars.

Contending team, yes. I don't see why Portland would want him on a rebuilding team, especially since he wouldn't be an exciting flashy scorer type. And given his contract status

I think OG would be a seamless fit on POR because they desperately need defense and shooting around Scoot/Sharpe. OG also fits their timeline since he's still only 26.

In terms of money, with Lillard gone, they need to spend their money on someone.

Sure, he's a seamless fit on every team in the league. But as you said, best for a contender. And I don't think he'd want to stay in Portland on a team farther from contention than Toronto even.

[HumbleRen]

I just don't understand how MIA thinks they can pivot and offer the same assets for better players like Giannis and Luka.

This is there chance to land a top 15 player by basically giving up only depth assets. Other organizations are better positioned to make much better offers for players like Giannis, Luka, Embiid if they come on the market.

Lillard is still great but his price is reduced due to salary/age reasons and MIA should take advantage of this quickly.

Keeping their cards open for Donavan Mitchell IMO.

I know he's younger, but I'd much rather have Lillard given their current window. Butler's already 34 and their window of contention is only as long as Butler's continued greatness which might be only a season or two more.

Sure but Donavan gives them the bridge in a post Jimmy Butler world. Mitchell and Bam can be a foundation for a playoff team for the next several years. They're both practically the same age too.

Jimmy and Dame are entering the wrong side of 30 now. Would they love to have Dame ? Of course but is it the end all be all for the Heat ? I don't believe so.

[BDE]

On my way to breakfast. Keep you fellas posted!

[ropjhk]

Contending team, yes. I don't see why Portland would want him on a rebuilding team, especially since he wouldn't be an exciting flashy scorer type. And given his contract status

I think OG would be a seamless fit on POR because they desperately need defense and shooting around Scoot/Sharpe. OG also fits their timeline since he's still only 26.

In terms of money, with Lillard gone, they need to spend their money on someone.

Sure, he's a seamless fit on every team in the league. But as you said, best for a contender. And I don't think he'd want to stay in Portland on a team farther from contention than Toronto even.

I think OG will chase contract money over a winning situation. If Portland is willing to pay up I think he'll stay. I don't think they'll have any trouble trading him in the future if they want.

[MiamiSPX]

I will add that even though I am certain he goes to the Heat, I would love nothing more than to be wrong because of the ensuing meltdown from Heat fans and U.S. media. I live here and am heavily involved in basketball via my sons, so obviously always around hoops-loving folks. The hubris and entitlement from Heat fans is off the charts. (Sidenote - all have agreed that Riley likely has a direct line to Dame. That he has tampered is just naturally assumed. Anecdotal, I know.)

"Yeah but what is he going to do on the Raptors? Is Siakam good enough to be a sidekick?"
"Why would you guys bother with this?"
"Herro is better than anything any team can offer"

So sick of it. Honestly, I want him more for that meltdown than I do for the fact that he improves the team. Is that petty? Of course it is.

[Mak]

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-dame-trade-hostage-crisis-a-lethal-browns-d/id1043699613?i=1000629288738

Bill making a case for the trade.

[OakleyDokely]

Keeping their cards open for Donavan Mitchell IMO.

I know he's younger, but I'd much rather have Lillard given their current window. Butler's already 34 and their window of contention is only as long as Butler's continued greatness which might be only a season or two more.

Sure but Donavan gives them the bridge in a post Jimmy Butler world. Mitchell and Bam can be a foundation for a playoff team for the next several years. They're both practically the same age too.

Jimmy and Dame are entering the wrong side of 30 now. Would they love to have Dame ? Of course but is it the end all be all for the Heat ? I don't believe so.

Bam/Mitchell is a solid core, but those guys are #2/#3 guys on a championship level team and you'd still lack a #1 which will be very difficult to acquire without cap space or big trade chips.

I think you need to maximize Butler's window and Lillard does this the best. MIA is probably the favorite in the East with Lillard. I'd try to win now while it's wide open and if doesn't work out, move out Butler's, Lillard's big deals, create cap space and go after the best FAs.

[InfraRedshaw]

I will add that even though I am certain he goes to the Heat, I would love nothing more than to be wrong because of the ensuing meltdown from Heat fans and U.S. media. I live here and am heavily involved in basketball via my sons, so obviously always around hoops-loving folks. The hubris and entitlement from Heat fans is off the charts. (Sidenote - all have agreed that Riley likely has a direct line to Dame. That he has tampered is just naturally assumed. Anecdotal, I know.)

"Yeah but what is he going to do on the Raptors? Is Siakam good enough to be a sidekick?"
"Why would you guys bother with this?"
"Herro is better than anything any team can offer"

So sick of it. Honestly, I want him more for that meltdown than I do for the fact that he improves the team. Is that petty? Of course it is.

I respect the pettiness tbh

[OakleyDokely]

Contending team, yes. I don't see why Portland would want him on a rebuilding team, especially since he wouldn't be an exciting flashy scorer type. And given his contract status

I think OG would be a seamless fit on POR because they desperately need defense and shooting around Scoot/Sharpe. OG also fits their timeline since he's still only 26.

In terms of money, with Lillard gone, they need to spend their money on someone.

Sure, he's a seamless fit on every team in the league. But as you said, best for a contender. And I don't think he'd want to stay in Portland on a team farther from contention than Toronto even.

From what I've read/heard, I don't think it's POR's intention to be bad for long. They want to develop the young guys, but also surrounding them with quality older players is probably the right strategy instead of going the HOU direction of losing 60 games.

[HumbleRen]

I know he's younger, but I'd much rather have Lillard given their current window. Butler's already 34 and their window of contention is only as long as Butler's continued greatness which might be only a season or two more.

Sure but Donavan gives them the bridge in a post Jimmy Butler world. Mitchell and Bam can be a foundation for a playoff team for the next several years. They're both practically the same age too.

Jimmy and Dame are entering the wrong side of 30 now. Would they love to have Dame ? Of course but is it the end all be all for the Heat ? I don't believe so.

Bam/Mitchell is a solid core, but those guys are #2/#3 guys on a championship level team and you'd still lack a #1 which will be very difficult to acquire without cap space or big trade chips.

I think you need to maximize Butler's window and Lillard does this the best. MIA is probably the favorite in the East with Lillard. I'd try to win now while it's wide open and if doesn't work out, move out Butler's, Lillard's big deals, create cap space and go after the best FAs.

People didn't believe Jimmy could be a #1 option. The Heat did.

I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I'm just simply giving my take on why Heat haven't been as desperate as they should be in regards to Dame.

[HumbleRen]

I think OG would be a seamless fit on POR because they desperately need defense and shooting around Scoot/Sharpe. OG also fits their timeline since he's still only 26.

In terms of money, with Lillard gone, they need to spend their money on someone.

Sure, he's a seamless fit on every team in the league. But as you said, best for a contender. And I don't think he'd want to stay in Portland on a team farther from contention than Toronto even.

From what I've read/heard, I don't think it's POR's intention to be bad for long. They want to develop the young guys, but also surrounding them with quality older players is probably the right strategy instead of going the HOU direction of losing 60 games.

Plus if OG truly does want more opportunities with the ball in his hand then Portland is a no brainer. No contender will be giving OG a role outside of 3&D.

[OakleyDokely]

Sure but Donavan gives them the bridge in a post Jimmy Butler world. Mitchell and Bam can be a foundation for a playoff team for the next several years. They're both practically the same age too.

Jimmy and Dame are entering the wrong side of 30 now. Would they love to have Dame ? Of course but is it the end all be all for the Heat ? I don't believe so.

Bam/Mitchell is a solid core, but those guys are #2/#3 guys on a championship level team and you'd still lack a #1 which will be very difficult to acquire without cap space or big trade chips.

I think you need to maximize Butler's window and Lillard does this the best. MIA is probably the favorite in the East with Lillard. I'd try to win now while it's wide open and if doesn't work out, move out Butler's, Lillard's big deals, create cap space and go after the best FAs.

People didn't believe Jimmy could be a #1 option. The Heat did.

I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I'm just simply giving my take on why Heat haven't been as desperate as they should be in regards to Dame.

MIA can afford to be patient because they're MIA but for me this is kinda of a too good to be true type deal for them to pass on, much like the Raps with Kawhi.

They basically get to keep the core that got them to the finals and add Dame to that.

[OakleyDokely]

Sure, he's a seamless fit on every team in the league. But as you said, best for a contender. And I don't think he'd want to stay in Portland on a team farther from contention than Toronto even.

From what I've read/heard, I don't think it's POR's intention to be bad for long. They want to develop the young guys, but also surrounding them with quality older players is probably the right strategy instead of going the HOU direction of losing 60 games.

Plus if OG truly does want more opportunities with the ball in his hand then Portland is a no brainer. No contender will be giving OG a role outside of 3&D.

OG's going to the team that gives him the most money imo.

[Mak]

It will be funny when OG is making as much as Dame was while playing in Portland. It's fine though just like the Rockets they can afford it with younger players on rookie contracts.

[KP730]

Read on Twitter

it’s Grange so…this gotta be the confirmation that TOR got Dame, right??

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps +360

Heat -210

[ATLTimekeeper]

There has been so much chatter about Raps being front runners, but little about Dame talking to Raps management. I feel like this would really be the key towards a dealing even happening. It should be pretty simple. Raps and Blazers have a deal in principle. Toronto gets a call with Dame and his people. Either go or no go. Not sure what’s the hold up. Also don’t see anything from Drake. He is normally all over this stuff and would drop some cookie crumbs or comments.

The Raptors traded for Kawhi without knowing he would show up. The backchannel stuff is for extensions.

But, to your concern, Marc Spears is from Oakland and he said Dame will show up.

[M3tro]

Masai can't keep waiting on the sidelines to jump into the double dutch game.

There likely won't be a better opportunity to add a top 10-15 player for this low of a price.