2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[Basketball_Jones]

Okay, Bailey got me convinced now lol. He's got a bit of OG in him. The stiff weird running movements and all, and perhaps some gritty defensive potential. Like, if OG could coordinate himself for the type of bad shots he sometimes takes. That's Bailey, but he can hit them.

[PushDaRock]

The biggest reason he fails to get to the basket or get by his man is because he has super stiff hips. I don't see that changing either.

His gait reminds me of John Henson, both are really good athletes but played upright and lacked fluidity in their movement so everything they threw up at the rim looks awkward.

[Los_29]

VJ Edgecombe is very intriguing. Excellent athlete, tons of stocks, not a bad AST/TO ratio for a freshman, and his shot isn’t broken. I need to see more of him but I’d rather take him over some guys who are more developed offensively but don’t have the athleticism to develop into elite players.

[mademan]

If we want a scorer, ill take Fears every time over Bailey

[Syd-TK3]

The biggest reason he fails to get to the basket or get by his man is because he has super stiff hips. I don't see that changing either.

I think the handle is clearly a much bigger reason and that can change

[Scase]

That was an unbelievable take. Just a blatant disregard for history thinking that Scottie can do something that only two players in NBA history has ever done. lol.

He would easily be averaging a triple double if we had even just some more competent players on the roster.

It's an unbelievable take that a player who was averaging 23/10/9, could manage a triple double on a team with actual talent in that 7 game span?

Nah, it's just easier for people like you to completely ignore any context of a comment so you can make inflammatory posts. Maybe, just maybe, you look at the context of the post instead of getting your panties in a bunch, grow up.

IQ came back and he was the one with 15 assists. Scottie 5 assists. How's he gonna get a triple double with IQ stealing his assists? It was probably easier for Scottie to get more assists with terrible teammates. IQ is supposed to be more of an off-ball player too. Imagine if we get an even better on-ball player.

Same thing with Bailey. They can't admit that he has a weakness for some reason, he'd have so many more assists if Dylan Harper was playing!

Same thing with RJ. He averaged 8.75 assists over 4 games. If only he had better teammates, he'd get a triple double!

Same thing with Bargnani. He'd average so many assists with better teammates!

It's an excuse commonly spammed by dumb homers. Everyone's averaging a triple double with great teammates. Got it.

I guess I should have known better than to expect you to try and manage a discussion without resorting to insults, carry on.

[Son Goku 25]

Bailey dribbles like Bosh a bit when he was in college lol he's got a sf body, game like a modern day center.

[RoteSchroder]

It's an unbelievable take that a player who was averaging 23/10/9, could manage a triple double on a team with actual talent in that 7 game span?

Nah, it's just easier for people like you to completely ignore any context of a comment so you can make inflammatory posts. Maybe, just maybe, you look at the context of the post instead of getting your panties in a bunch, grow up.

IQ came back and he was the one with 15 assists. Scottie 5 assists. How's he gonna get a triple double with IQ stealing his assists? It was probably easier for Scottie to get more assists with terrible teammates. IQ is supposed to be more of an off-ball player too. Imagine if we get an even better on-ball player.

Same thing with Bailey. They can't admit that he has a weakness for some reason, he'd have so many more assists if Dylan Harper was playing!

Same thing with RJ. He averaged 8.75 assists over 4 games. If only he had better teammates, he'd get a triple double!

Same thing with Bargnani. He'd average so many assists with better teammates!

It's an excuse commonly spammed by dumb homers. Everyone's averaging a triple double with great teammates. Got it.

I guess I should have known better than to expect you to try and manage a discussion without resorting to insults, carry on.

And who insulted you? It’s not like you constantly spammed this for every single player

I don’t have any problems with Scottie or Bailey or you, I have a pet peeve with the excuse being used cause I see it so often. Everyone uses it and it’s poor logic. If it applies to every player, then it kind of loses it’s meaning.

If you don’t get it, then you’re insulting yourself, not me. If you do get it, then it’s fine. If you have a reasonable come back or evidence that proves you’re right, then even better, maybe I can learn something new.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Bailey wars are crazy Most polarizing prospect that's not even projected top2 by anyone?

Most of it is people trying to justify why he was supposed to go this high. Then shot creation gets crazy overrated on here. I was right here fighting off all the James Bouknight truthers (who are still here).

[ash_k]

If we want a scorer, ill take Fears every time over Bailey

I dont understand why would anyone feel this way.

Thankfully, Masai would go for the 6'8+ guy with the 7+foot Wingspan over the PG...again!

[Jstock12]

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[Yallbecrazy]

If we want a scorer, ill take Fears every time over Bailey

I dont understand why would anyone feel this way.

Thankfully, Masai would go for the 6'8+ guy with the 7+foot Wingspan over the PG...again!

Thankfully Masai has a whole analytics department that would tell him to steer miles clear of Bailey unless his game shows DRASTIC improvement the rest of the season.

[ash_k]

If we want a scorer, ill take Fears every time over Bailey

I dont understand why would anyone feel this way.

Thankfully, Masai would go for the 6'8+ guy with the 7+foot Wingspan over the PG...again!

Thankfully Masai has a whole analytics department that would tell him to steer miles clear of Bailey unless his game shows DRASTIC improvement the rest of the season.

Thankfully, analytics have never been the main factor in drafting NBA players.(never will be)
The last player at that age with that kind of height/wingspan, with this kind of shot-making ability, with picture mechanics&elevation was probably Kevin Durant..Ingram and Tatum did not have that kind of shot-making ability at that age.

[ArthurVandelay]

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Bam sticks out like a sore thumb in that list.

In the NBA his rookie assist % was 11, career average is 19.1, has been as high as 26.9, and this year is 21.8.

College guys do what they are asked to do not necessarily what they can do…like Edey hoisting 3s this year after a college career on the block.

I like analytics a lot, but the eye test matters too. It might have been cool for top talents like Harper and Ace to pick a lesser known school like Rutgers, but I don’t think they’ve done themselves many favours with the supporting cast. Maybe I’m wrong on that, it certainly isn’t going to hurt their draft stock but it definitely hurts their chances to win.

[PushDaRock]

IQ came back and he was the one with 15 assists. Scottie 5 assists. How's he gonna get a triple double with IQ stealing his assists? It was probably easier for Scottie to get more assists with terrible teammates. IQ is supposed to be more of an off-ball player too. Imagine if we get an even better on-ball player.

Same thing with Bailey. They can't admit that he has a weakness for some reason, he'd have so many more assists if Dylan Harper was playing!

Same thing with RJ. He averaged 8.75 assists over 4 games. If only he had better teammates, he'd get a triple double!

Same thing with Bargnani. He'd average so many assists with better teammates!

It's an excuse commonly spammed by dumb homers. Everyone's averaging a triple double with great teammates. Got it.

I guess I should have known better than to expect you to try and manage a discussion without resorting to insults, carry on.

And who insulted you? It’s not like you constantly spammed this for every single player

I don’t have any problems with Scottie or Bailey or you, I have a pet peeve with the excuse being used cause I see it so often. Everyone uses it and it’s poor logic. If it applies to every player, then it kind of loses it’s meaning.

If you don’t get it, then you’re insulting yourself, not me. If you do get it, then it’s fine. If you have a reasonable come back or evidence that proves you’re right, then even better, maybe I can learn something new.

lmao the irony in saying "don't get your panties in a bunch" and to "grow up" but then feeling insulted by the "dumb homers" comment.

[PushDaRock]

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Bam sticks out like a sore thumb in that list.

In the NBA his rookie assist % was 11, career average is 19.1, has been as high as 26.9, and this year is 21.8.

College guys do what they are asked to do not necessarily what they can do…like Edey hoisting 3s this year after a college career on the block.

I like analytics a lot, but the eye test matters too. It might have been cool for top talents like Harper and Ace to pick a lesser known school like Rutgers, but I don’t think they’ve done themselves many favours with the supporting cast. Maybe I’m wrong on that, it certainly isn’t going to hurt their draft stock but it definitely hurts their chances to win.

That list is mostly C's with a couple PF's. If you're a wing and on that list too, there is likely more to it than just role IMO.

I think evaluating players on losing teams is a bit more difficult, because you have to make a judgement on how much things can be attributed to the environment vs the actual player.

[ArthurVandelay]

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Bam sticks out like a sore thumb in that list.

In the NBA his rookie assist % was 11, career average is 19.1, has been as high as 26.9, and this year is 21.8.

College guys do what they are asked to do not necessarily what they can do…like Edey hoisting 3s this year after a college career on the block.

I like analytics a lot, but the eye test matters too. It might have been cool for top talents like Harper and Ace to pick a lesser known school like Rutgers, but I don’t think they’ve done themselves many favours with the supporting cast. Maybe I’m wrong on that, it certainly isn’t going to hurt their draft stock but it definitely hurts their chances to win.

That list is mostly C's with a couple PF's. If you're a wing and on that list too, there is likely more to it than just role IMO.

I think evaluating players on losing teams is a bit more difficult, because you have to make a judgement on how much things can be attributed to the environment vs the actual player.

You’re right on the list composition.

It’s tough to keep track of everyone and who says what, but many references have been made to Ace and Jabari Smith, which I think is ridiculous. Ace is a forward…small or power up for debate, I’d say small.

Passing highlights start at 2:30. The wrap around at 2:40 is nice

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[mademan]

I dont understand why would anyone feel this way.

Thankfully, Masai would go for the 6'8+ guy with the 7+foot Wingspan over the PG...again!

Thankfully Masai has a whole analytics department that would tell him to steer miles clear of Bailey unless his game shows DRASTIC improvement the rest of the season.

Thankfully, analytics have never been the main factor in drafting NBA players.(never will be)
The last player at that age with that kind of height/wingspan, with this kind of shot-making ability, with picture mechanics&elevation was probably Kevin Durant..Ingram and Tatum did not have that kind of shot-making ability at that age.

no the last player was GG jackson. Pretty similar analytics too, and he's buried on Memphis's bench. Another clear comp is current MPJ. Cant beat anyone off the dribble but just rises up every time he has the ball, and he's universally considered a bad contract

KD and Tatum can actually move on the court and beat people off the dribble

[billy_hoyle]

Thankfully Masai has a whole analytics department that would tell him to steer miles clear of Bailey unless his game shows DRASTIC improvement the rest of the season.

Thankfully, analytics have never been the main factor in drafting NBA players.(never will be)
The last player at that age with that kind of height/wingspan, with this kind of shot-making ability, with picture mechanics&elevation was probably Kevin Durant..Ingram and Tatum did not have that kind of shot-making ability at that age.

no the last player was GG jackson. Pretty similar analytics too, and he's buried on Memphis's bench. Another clear comp is current MPJ. Cant beat anyone off the dribble but just rises up every time he has the ball, and he's universally considered a bad contract

KD and Tatum can actually move on the court and beat people off the dribble

GG has been injured all year. He may, or may not be destined for a deep bench role. Based on his rookie season, I'd expect them to play him.

[Yallbecrazy]

Watching Zvonimir Ivisic and his height is impactful on defense, but he makes Bargnani look like Rodman on the glass. He's rarely in position too. He will not be playing in the NBA without significant improvement (just to be in the league).

Also, Calipari is such an awful coach it's kind of ridiculous. He definitely makes his players look worse than they are.