Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[bboyskinnylegs]

is justin jackson (MD) staying in the draft?

not known yet. The early entry withdrawal deadline is June 12th, so still quite a bit of time before he has to make a decision.

[And1Skip]

is justin jackson (MD) staying in the draft?

not known yet. The early entry withdrawal deadline is June 12th, so still quite a bit of time before he has to make a decision.

It must really suck to have the same exact name as another draft prospect (at the same position) that played for a bigger school (and champions) and is slotted higher than you on the draft boards. I hope that gives the MD one motivation to be the better JJ.

[CoachJReturns]

Perhaps next year I’ll make a chart to determine the value of each draft pick. I’d do it this year, but I don’t have time and I’m not excited about the guys we’re bringing in for workouts at all.
But next year something like a list of the number of all-stars and All NBA players at each selection might be useful. There are only 60 picks in an NBA draft anyway. A more detailed (but time consuming) version could take into account years of NBA experience, average minutes played etc. It could also help determine the likelihood of finding talent at specific positions.
I’ll probably start with just the number of all-stars and all-star appearances at each pick though.

[OAKLEY_2]

Perhaps next year I’ll make a chart to determine the value of each draft pick. I’d do it this year, but I don’t have time and I’m not excited about the guys we’re bringing in for workouts at all.
But next year something like a list of the number of all-stars and All NBA players at each selection might be useful. There are only 60 picks in an NBA draft anyway. A more detailed (but time consuming) version could take into account years of NBA experience, average minutes played etc. It could also help determine the likelihood of finding talent at specific positions.
I’ll probably start with just the number of all-stars and all-star appearances at each pick though.

23 seems to be our usual spot this era and a lot of players talked about last year we just passed on and went with Paskal. I never liked Ellenson for some of the reasons people do not like Leaf. Leaf just looks like the much MUCH better basketball player. Confident, smooth and very aware of his surroundings. A player who not only makes you better on the perimeter but also could be a point forward. I really think if he is there he is the guy. I cannot see us in a circumstance where we are going point guard because there is no argument the BPA is a PG and our not to mention 4 point guard depth chart assuming dominoes don't fall with a KL exit.

So staying at 23 is as follows:

1. Leaf
2. Diallo
3. Ferguson
4. Hartenstein

[Psubs]

Perhaps next year I’ll make a chart to determine the value of each draft pick. I’d do it this year, but I don’t have time and I’m not excited about the guys we’re bringing in for workouts at all.
But next year something like a list of the number of all-stars and All NBA players at each selection might be useful. There are only 60 picks in an NBA draft anyway. A more detailed (but time consuming) version could take into account years of NBA experience, average minutes played etc. It could also help determine the likelihood of finding talent at specific positions.
I’ll probably start with just the number of all-stars and all-star appearances at each pick though.

23 seems to be our usual spot this era and a lot of players talked about last year we just passed on and went with Paskal. I never liked Ellenson for some of the reasons people do not like Leaf. Leaf just looks like the much MUCH better basketball player. Confident, smooth and very aware of his surroundings. A player who not only makes you better on the perimeter but also could be a point forward. I really think if he is there he is the guy. I cannot see us in a circumstance where we are going point guard because there is no argument the BPA is a PG and our not to mention 4 point guard depth chart assuming dominoes don't fall with a KL exit.

So staying at 23 is as follows:

1. Leaf
2. Diallo
3. Ferguson
4. Hartenstein

I would switch Diallo and Ferguson, just because Ferguson could play SG or SF wheres Diallo is strictly a SG.

[vanhill]

He's not really a big 4, he doesn't have the long range jumper down yet, he's almost 22. But even with that I see him as a first rounder.

Lord please save us from the potential of taking TJ Leaf.

What's wrong with Leaf? He looks like a good pick based on what I've read.

He's going to struggle mightily on the defensive side of the ball in the NBA, and in order to get his offense off he'll need to be wide open or crafty as hell. I don't see what he does better than a guy like Doug McDermott for example.

If we are drafting a PF, i would rather have someone who can score down low, than someone like Channing Frye who is waiting to shoot corner 3.
I think Leaf is an OK player, at least on the paper. I still think we can draft someone who has strong presence in the paint, rebound and block some shots.
if we are drafting a big man. Here is my list, Strong, Big, Good Rebounder and can create shots for his teammate. We struggle to score in the paint, JV have limited touches and minutes. Both Swanigan and Adebayo can improve these areas and both seems to be a much better rebounder than Ibaka.
1. Swanigan
2. Adebayo
3. Giles/Rabb/Jeanne
If we are drafting a player who can shoot the 3 and dish the ball. There isn't much good candidate at that range. It would be better for us to sign someone in the NBA instead.
1. None
2. Lydon / Kennard / Justin Jackson.

[BoyzNTheHood]

A name to keep an eye on is Thomas Bryant. I've mentioned him a couple of times in our draft threads to no avail.

19 year old (almost 20) sophomore, stretch 5, who played at Indiana

6'10.75" tall
248 lbs
7'6" wingspan
9'4" standing reach

28.1 Minutes
12.6 PPG
6.6 RPG
1.5 BLK
55.6 FG%
38.3 3P%
73 FT%

He's pretty much a hustle 5. Don't ask him to score in the post. Very awkward. Just ask him to work hard and pull the opposing 5 away from the bucket on occasion.

[RaptorsLife]

A name to keep an eye on is Thomas Bryant. I've mentioned him a couple of times in our draft threads to no avail.

19 year old (almost 20) sophomore, stretch 5, who played at Indiana

6'10.75" tall
248 lbs
7'6" wingspan
9'4" standing reach

28.1 Minutes
12.6 PPG
6.6 RPG
1.5 BLK
55.6 FG%
38.3 3P%
73 FT%

He's pretty much a hustle 5. Don't ask him to score in the post. Very awkward. Just ask him to work hard and pull the opposing 5 away from the bucket on occasion.

Reminds me of diamond stone last year

[CoachJReturns]

What's wrong with Leaf? He looks like a good pick based on what I've read.

He's going to struggle mightily on the defensive side of the ball in the NBA, and in order to get his offense off he'll need to be wide open or crafty as hell. I don't see what he does better than a guy like Doug McDermott for example.

If we are drafting a PF, i would rather have someone who can score down low, than someone like Channing Frye who is waiting to shoot corner 3.
I think Leaf is an OK player, at least on the paper. I still think we can draft someone who has strong presence in the paint, rebound and block some shots.
if we are drafting a big man. Here is my list, Strong, Big, Good Rebounder and can create shots for his teammate. We struggle to score in the paint, JV have limited touches and minutes. Both Swanigan and Adebayo can improve these areas and both seems to be a much better rebounder than Ibaka.
1. Swanigan
2. Adebayo
3. Giles/Rabb/Jeanne
If we are drafting a player who can shoot the 3 and dish the ball. There isn't much good candidate at that range. It would be better for us to sign someone in the NBA instead.
1. None
2. Lydon / Kennard / Justin Jackson.

You actually named at least one guy with the potential to shoot and pass in Swanigan. Rabb is a decent passer too, though his shot has a ways to go(though it has improved).

[CoachJReturns]

A name to keep an eye on is Thomas Bryant. I've mentioned him a couple of times in our draft threads to no avail.

19 year old (almost 20) sophomore, stretch 5, who played at Indiana

6'10.75" tall
248 lbs
7'6" wingspan
9'4" standing reach

28.1 Minutes
12.6 PPG
6.6 RPG
1.5 BLK
55.6 FG%
38.3 3P%
73 FT%

He's pretty much a hustle 5. Don't ask him to score in the post. Very awkward. Just ask him to work hard and pull the opposing 5 away from the bucket on occasion.

If the thought process of Masai and Weltman is to just bring in bigs who can shoot he'll get a look. I'd pass though. Seems soft as hell.

[BoyzNTheHood]

A name to keep an eye on is Thomas Bryant. I've mentioned him a couple of times in our draft threads to no avail.

19 year old (almost 20) sophomore, stretch 5, who played at Indiana

6'10.75" tall
248 lbs
7'6" wingspan
9'4" standing reach

28.1 Minutes
12.6 PPG
6.6 RPG
1.5 BLK
55.6 FG%
38.3 3P%
73 FT%

He's pretty much a hustle 5. Don't ask him to score in the post. Very awkward. Just ask him to work hard and pull the opposing 5 away from the bucket on occasion.

If the thought process of Masai and Weltman is to just bring in bigs who can shoot he'll get a look. I'd pass though. Seems soft as hell.

Not sure he's soft, but there are a lot of red flags. Being a hustler with that size, he should dominate the glass but he doesn't. And he doesn't block a lot of shots either.

Another guy I had my eye on was DJ Wilson from Michigan. He has outstanding measurables, but he's soft as hell too. His appeal is potentially being able to play the 3 at his size. But in order to do so he needs to tighten up that handle. But if he's a 4 in the NBA I pass easily.

[vanhill]

He's going to struggle mightily on the defensive side of the ball in the NBA, and in order to get his offense off he'll need to be wide open or crafty as hell. I don't see what he does better than a guy like Doug McDermott for example.

If we are drafting a PF, i would rather have someone who can score down low, than someone like Channing Frye who is waiting to shoot corner 3.
I think Leaf is an OK player, at least on the paper. I still think we can draft someone who has strong presence in the paint, rebound and block some shots.
if we are drafting a big man. Here is my list, Strong, Big, Good Rebounder and can create shots for his teammate. We struggle to score in the paint, JV have limited touches and minutes. Both Swanigan and Adebayo can improve these areas and both seems to be a much better rebounder than Ibaka.
1. Swanigan
2. Adebayo
3. Giles/Rabb/Jeanne
If we are drafting a player who can shoot the 3 and dish the ball. There isn't much good candidate at that range. It would be better for us to sign someone in the NBA instead.
1. None
2. Lydon / Kennard / Justin Jackson.

You actually named at least one guy with the potential to shoot and pass in Swanigan. Rabb is a decent passer too, though his shot has a ways to go(though it has improved).

Right. I was looking at the those players who is playing in the league(av ~ 30mins) and average more than 10 rebounds for their last season in the NCAA. Many of them can actually translate it to the NBA.

1. Julius Randle -10.4 reb(2014 NCAA) NBA: 2015 - 10.2reb, 2016 8.6 reb
2. Draymond Green - 10.6 reb(2012 NCAA) NBA: 2013 - 3.3reb, 2014 -5.2reb , 2015 -8.2reb, 2016- 9.5reb, 2017- 7.9reb
3. Anthony Davis 10.4 reb(2012 NCAA) 2013 - 8.2reb, 2014- 10reb , 2015 -10.2reb, 2016 -10.3reb, 2017 -11.8reb

Both Swanigan and Rabb are good rebounders. Love to see them playing for us who both can strengthen our rebound and passing areas

[CoachJReturns]

A name to keep an eye on is Thomas Bryant. I've mentioned him a couple of times in our draft threads to no avail.

19 year old (almost 20) sophomore, stretch 5, who played at Indiana

6'10.75" tall
248 lbs
7'6" wingspan
9'4" standing reach

28.1 Minutes
12.6 PPG
6.6 RPG
1.5 BLK
55.6 FG%
38.3 3P%
73 FT%

He's pretty much a hustle 5. Don't ask him to score in the post. Very awkward. Just ask him to work hard and pull the opposing 5 away from the bucket on occasion.

If the thought process of Masai and Weltman is to just bring in bigs who can shoot he'll get a look. I'd pass though. Seems soft as hell.

Not sure he's soft, but there are a lot of red flags. Being a hustler with that size, he should dominate the glass but he doesn't. And he doesn't block a lot of shots either.

Another guy I had my eye on was DJ Wilson from Michigan. He has outstanding measurables, but he's soft as hell too. His appeal is potentially being able to play the 3 at his size. But in order to do so he needs to tighten up that handle. But if he's a 4 in the NBA I pass easily.

Wilson is athletic if nothing else, but yeah he doesn't look like a 4 even in this era of small ball.
I'm pretty much set on Diallo, or my very unpopular choice of Rabb(hoping he continues to improve his shot) because I am not at all impressed by most of the guys available. Seems like Masai is focusing on bigs that can shoot though, which is basically addressing a need.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Swanigan or Bell seem like great value picks to me. Frank Jackson, Harry Giles, D.J. Wilson, Josh Hart, Jawun Evans, as well.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If the thought process of Masai and Weltman is to just bring in bigs who can shoot he'll get a look. I'd pass though. Seems soft as hell.

Not sure he's soft, but there are a lot of red flags. Being a hustler with that size, he should dominate the glass but he doesn't. And he doesn't block a lot of shots either.

Another guy I had my eye on was DJ Wilson from Michigan. He has outstanding measurables, but he's soft as hell too. His appeal is potentially being able to play the 3 at his size. But in order to do so he needs to tighten up that handle. But if he's a 4 in the NBA I pass easily.

Wilson is athletic if nothing else, but yeah he doesn't look like a 4 even in this era of small ball.
I'm pretty much set on Diallo, or my very unpopular choice of Rabb(hoping he continues to improve his shot) because I am not at all impressed by most of the guys available. Seems like Masai is focusing on bigs that can shoot though, which is basically addressing a need.

I think Rabb will be picked before we have a chance to select him. A guy who's really intriguing me of late is Jeanne. I think if he adds strength he'll be a steal, but he also might be taken before us. But he just fits our needs so perfectly. If we're going to keep trying to win we can stash him, and if not send him to the 905, or even bring him in for spot minutes like Lucas got this past season.

[HeadtopChunes]

Swanigan or Bell seem like great value picks to me. Frank Jackson, Harry Giles, D.J. Wilson, Josh Hart, Jawun Evans, as well.

I really like bell if his shot can be fixed. He's defense is good and his athleticism is nice too. Is also say he's underrated as a passer. If he's a 4 I'm fine with it if he's a 5 I'll pass.

[CoachJReturns]

Not sure he's soft, but there are a lot of red flags. Being a hustler with that size, he should dominate the glass but he doesn't. And he doesn't block a lot of shots either.

Another guy I had my eye on was DJ Wilson from Michigan. He has outstanding measurables, but he's soft as hell too. His appeal is potentially being able to play the 3 at his size. But in order to do so he needs to tighten up that handle. But if he's a 4 in the NBA I pass easily.

Wilson is athletic if nothing else, but yeah he doesn't look like a 4 even in this era of small ball.
I'm pretty much set on Diallo, or my very unpopular choice of Rabb(hoping he continues to improve his shot) because I am not at all impressed by most of the guys available. Seems like Masai is focusing on bigs that can shoot though, which is basically addressing a need.

I think Rabb will be picked before we have a chance to select him. A guy who's really intriguing me of late is Jeanne. I think if he adds strength he'll be a steal, but he also might be taken before us. But he just fits our needs so perfectly. If we're going to keep trying to win we can stash him, and if not send him to the 905, or even bring him in for spot minutes like Lucas got this past season.

I wouldn't mind Jeanne as a stash pick.

[OAKLEY_2]

Wilson is athletic if nothing else, but yeah he doesn't look like a 4 even in this era of small ball.
I'm pretty much set on Diallo, or my very unpopular choice of Rabb(hoping he continues to improve his shot) because I am not at all impressed by most of the guys available. Seems like Masai is focusing on bigs that can shoot though, which is basically addressing a need.

I think Rabb will be picked before we have a chance to select him. A guy who's really intriguing me of late is Jeanne. I think if he adds strength he'll be a steal, but he also might be taken before us. But he just fits our needs so perfectly. If we're going to keep trying to win we can stash him, and if not send him to the 905, or even bring him in for spot minutes like Lucas got this past season.

I wouldn't mind Jeanne as a stash pick.

No way we pick Jeanne apparently raw is an understatement. A lot seem to want thenperrenial pick of a man in a man's league type player resembling the physiques of your Jae Crowders and Taurean Princes. Enter Swanigan, who I might add, has had weight issues. How can players have weight issues burning those kinds of calories at age 20? Boggles the mind. I cannot remember the last time somebody advocated a rebounding post beast whose biggest claim to fame was ball IQ. Not Montrezl, Not Prince and not Swanigan. Leaf is a whole different category of player than Swanigan but so was Rudy Fernandez and Lance Stephenson. How many here would pick Stephenson over Rudy even though Lance is monster head case? Probably most on here would pick Lance because in some minds he looks the part.

[MavCarter]

Swanigan or Bell seem like great value picks to me. Frank Jackson, Harry Giles, D.J. Wilson, Josh Hart, Jawun Evans, as well.

I really like bell if his shot can be fixed. He's defense is good and his athleticism is nice too. Is also say he's underrated as a passer. If he's a 4 I'm fine with it if he's a 5 I'll pass.

With the way the league is going 4s that cant stretch the floor are going to be forced to play the 5

[HeadtopChunes]

Swanigan or Bell seem like great value picks to me. Frank Jackson, Harry Giles, D.J. Wilson, Josh Hart, Jawun Evans, as well.

I really like bell if his shot can be fixed. He's defense is good and his athleticism is nice too. Is also say he's underrated as a passer. If he's a 4 I'm fine with it if he's a 5 I'll pass.

With the way the league is going 4s that cant stretch the floor are going to be forced to play the 5

Yeah which is why I'd avoid him if he can't shoot. I like his defensive potential but the risk would be more acceptable in the 2nd round. Bell is too small to be a center maybe small ball sometimes.