Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[TRik]

The thing is, their roster really isn't anything special outside of their top 2 players. What I didn't see coming is Maxey playing at an MVP-level, in addition to Embiid continuing to play at that level. Anyone really going to say they are not top heavy?

I mean you called Maxey a sieve on D and that was a real issue worth discussing.

Maxey has more than made up for his D issues with insanely efficient offense that not many people saw coming to this extent. But credit to him, I like being wrong about guys like him because he seems like a really good dude.

i have to disagree with you here.

a player can never make up for his D issues even with efficient offense. i like Maxey, but he will always be targeted on D, especially in the playoffs. i also prefer bigger guards for this very reason.

Maxey is average height for a PG with decent bulk and elite speed. IMO I don’t think he’s going to be targeted of D more than other average sized PGs. His defensive rating is also slightly lower than the league average for point guards this year.

I’d take him defensively on the Raptors that’s for sure.

[wegotthabeet]

I mean you called Maxey a sieve on D and that was a real issue worth discussing.

Maxey has more than made up for his D issues with insanely efficient offense that not many people saw coming to this extent. But credit to him, I like being wrong about guys like him because he seems like a really good dude.

i have to disagree with you here.

a player can never make up for his D issues even with efficient offense. i like Maxey, but he will always be targeted on D, especially in the playoffs. i also prefer bigger guards for this very reason.

Maxey is average height for a PG with decent bulk and elite speed. IMO I don’t think he’s going to be targeted of D more than other average sized PGs. His defensive rating is also slightly lower than the league average for point guards this year.

I’d take him defensively on the Raptors that’s for sure.

wait for the playoffs. he will be targeted. and he's undersized for this era. not FVV small, but on the shorter side.

[Airmiess]

Because Jamal Murray and Steph Curry won titles being great defenders..

or maybe great offense makes everything else easier. Maybe more possessions with great offense gives you a better chance at winning..who knows.

Player defence has always been overrated in the NBA. Good team defence can easily mask positional defensive weaknesses. Like you said, look at Curry, and more recently, Jokic. These guys can't defend anyone one-on-one, yet they're two of the most dominant players of the last 10 years. It's much easier to build a great team defence than it is to find elite offensive talent. Defensive role players can be found in the bargain bin every season.

A lot of fans still have the old school lunch pale ideology ingrained in their heads, that you gotta play a certain way to win. Its even more pronounced with Canadian sports fans because of the puckhead culture.

Now dont get me wrong, if a player is not adequate enough on offense then you will not be able to overlook below average defense.

[Duffman100]

That was reported from the PHI side though and I don't believe anything that comes from Morey.

This was a pure lie spewed by Morey due to sourness at not being able to close the deal IMO. That is why I firmly distrust any "reports" and rumors of what was offered for Lowry back then especially when it comes to Sixers.

Look at what Morey came up as backup deal to failed Lowry trade in George Hill and low value garbage he gave up to get him. No doubt Morey lowballed on the offer for Lowry and didn't offer much of anything. So not sure why people keep bringing this thread back from the dead when this had little to do with Maxey.

anything they offered is better than precious.

I mean maybe, in hindsight.

[TRik]

i have to disagree with you here.

a player can never make up for his D issues even with efficient offense. i like Maxey, but he will always be targeted on D, especially in the playoffs. i also prefer bigger guards for this very reason.

Maxey is average height for a PG with decent bulk and elite speed. IMO I don’t think he’s going to be targeted of D more than other average sized PGs. His defensive rating is also slightly lower than the league average for point guards this year.

I’d take him defensively on the Raptors that’s for sure.

wait for the playoffs. he will be targeted. and he's undersized for this era. not FVV small, but on the shorter side.

Yeah it could be trending towards taller PGs. But the average PG height this season I believe is 6’2, and he’s 6’2.

[wegotthabeet]

Maxey is average height for a PG with decent bulk and elite speed. IMO I don’t think he’s going to be targeted of D more than other average sized PGs. His defensive rating is also slightly lower than the league average for point guards this year.

I’d take him defensively on the Raptors that’s for sure.

wait for the playoffs. he will be targeted. and he's undersized for this era. not FVV small, but on the shorter side.

Yeah it could be trending towards taller PGs. But the average PG height this season I believe is 6’2, and he’s 6’2.

average is fair like you said. Maxey is really good too.

[disoblige]

hindsight
maxey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achiuwa
maxey will be all-star. achiuwa will never be one.

[TRik]

wait for the playoffs. he will be targeted. and he's undersized for this era. not FVV small, but on the shorter side.

Yeah it could be trending towards taller PGs. But the average PG height this season I believe is 6’2, and he’s 6’2.

average is fair like you said. Maxey is really good too.

Mate… Him and Scottie are friends. Imagine that duo together. Lol pipe dreams.

[WaltFrazier]

He was already on his way last season and Philly wouldn't trade Maxey if we say offered FVV. Well maybe if we offered to trade FVV for Maxey in the summer of 2022, they might've entertained it.

In the summer of 2022 we had just played a series where Maxey was lighting us up. Not sure anyone would have made that trade by then

I was anti-FVV for this team in the future and saw that Maxey was getting to the hoop at will.

Of course yes. I meant no way Philly does that trade.

[YogurtProducer]

This was a pure lie spewed by Morey due to sourness at not being able to close the deal IMO. That is why I firmly distrust any "reports" and rumors of what was offered for Lowry back then especially when it comes to Sixers.

Look at what Morey came up as backup deal to failed Lowry trade in George Hill and low value garbage he gave up to get him. No doubt Morey lowballed on the offer for Lowry and didn't offer much of anything. So not sure why people keep bringing this thread back from the dead when this had little to do with Maxey.

anything they offered is better than precious.

I mean maybe, in hindsight.

Precious is getting a bad rep over a bad start.

Precious > Thybulle, which is more realistically what was offered

[WaltFrazier]

anything they offered is better than precious.

I mean maybe, in hindsight.

Precious is getting a bad rep over a bad start.

Precious > Thybulle, which is more realistically what was offered

When has he ever proved that?

[WaltFrazier]

I mean maybe, in hindsight.

Precious is getting a bad rep over a bad start.

Precious > Thybulle, which is more realistically what was offered

When has he ever proved that?

Ok sorry I shouldn't pile on like this but so far in Wizards game Precious is not better than Thybulle, or most NBA players

[Chandan]

No just no.

[WaltFrazier]

Is that 3 shot clock violations on us?

[Los_29]

I’m actually a bit surprised this thread would get bumped considering the fact that some people still want to believe Maxey was available at the trade deadline.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Masai being too greedy. it seems that every trade is always turned down because Masai asks for too much.

wondering now, what is the timeline of the Melo trade for the Nuggets. did those assets he get back turn into anything that resulted into the current championship team?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Is that 3 shot clock violations on us?

asked for 1 additional first rounder got us here lmao

[Los_29]

This aged well

To be fair Precious without is a higher ceiling, lower floor, type of player. They were picked back to back #20/#21 in 2020.

Neither were "cant miss" prospects and that is why when you read old Maxey there are exactly zero people saying "he will probably average 29/7 in his 4th year"

This thread is from 2022. I recall arguing that Maxey was a budding great scoring guard back then too, because I saw the combo of lightning quickness attacking closeouts and stop on a dime threes. No one may have said he'd average 29/7 back then but he was already dropping 30+ on us back then. Not sure about 2020 but in 2022 when this thread started, I can't imagine many thinking Precious had a higher ceiling by then. But maybe I'm jaded by the fact he's barely inproved since then. (Still hoping though).


I've had lots of bad takes before but I've been unwavering in being high on Maxey.

Certainly not looking like it now. But I stand by what I said that Maxey was always the better player but that Achiuwa had the higher ceiling if everything hit. There is a reason Pat Riley drafted Precious over Maxey.

[WaltFrazier]

To be fair Precious without is a higher ceiling, lower floor, type of player. They were picked back to back #20/#21 in 2020.

Neither were "cant miss" prospects and that is why when you read old Maxey there are exactly zero people saying "he will probably average 29/7 in his 4th year"

This thread is from 2022. I recall arguing that Maxey was a budding great scoring guard back then too, because I saw the combo of lightning quickness attacking closeouts and stop on a dime threes. No one may have said he'd average 29/7 back then but he was already dropping 30+ on us back then. Not sure about 2020 but in 2022 when this thread started, I can't imagine many thinking Precious had a higher ceiling by then. But maybe I'm jaded by the fact he's barely inproved since then. (Still hoping though).


I've had lots of bad takes before but I've been unwavering in being high on Maxey.

Certainly not looking like it now. But I stand by what I said that Maxey was always the better player but that Achiuwa had the higher ceiling if everything hit. There is a reason Pat Riley drafted Precious over Maxey.

It's not about the draft year. This thread was from 2022 when Maxey was breaking out. It was clear Maxey was miles ahead of Precious by then

[JN]

This thread is from 2022. I recall arguing that Maxey was a budding great scoring guard back then too, because I saw the combo of lightning quickness attacking closeouts and stop on a dime threes. No one may have said he'd average 29/7 back then but he was already dropping 30+ on us back then. Not sure about 2020 but in 2022 when this thread started, I can't imagine many thinking Precious had a higher ceiling by then. But maybe I'm jaded by the fact he's barely inproved since then. (Still hoping though).


I've had lots of bad takes before but I've been unwavering in being high on Maxey.

Certainly not looking like it now. But I stand by what I said that Maxey was always the better player but that Achiuwa had the higher ceiling if everything hit. There is a reason Pat Riley drafted Precious over Maxey.

It's not about the draft year. This thread was from 2022 when Maxey was breaking out. It was clear Maxey was miles ahead of Precious by then

Precious had a number of nice flashes to close that 2022 season and I believe in the playoffs to give us some hope moving forward. Nowhere near Maxey hope, but some decent hope.
Maxey by that point in spring of 2022 was already causing us nightmares.