2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

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NBA ready, NBA moves, NBA body and will step up in the clutch. If Masai took him at 13 I wouldn't even care.

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You can see the confidence and assertiveness that he plays with, he gets to his spots and knows that nobody is gonna mess with him. 85-90% of the 19-20-21 year olds in this draft will not get to his level by the time they hit 22.

It honestly disgusts me how people have him in the 40's in the draft. Absolutely clueless.

[ItsDanger]

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Better work this guy out and take a long hard look, 6'6 combo guards aren't that common. I think his handles are good enough to take lead PG role. I get the advanced stats aren't there but he passes the eye test. Doesn't have that elite burst, questionable efficiency, offhand?, defense? Like all the non-elite prospects there are some weaknesses. Consider what his stats would be in sophomore season.

[grant101]

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NBA ready, NBA moves, NBA body and will step up in the clutch. If Masai took him at 13 I wouldn't even care.

I'm with you on Sasser. The kid's a winner and takes nothing off the table. That said, 13 is a little too high for me. I'd also want to see us move on from Flynn before bringing on Sasser. Sasser can contribute next year, but I'd be worried about Flynn stealing his minutes cause this org seems to still believe in his upside despite multiple chances.

[DreamTeam09]

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Better work this guy out and take a long hard look, 6'6 combo guards aren't that common. I think his handles are good enough to take lead PG role. I get the advanced stats aren't there but he passes the eye test. Doesn't have that elite burst, questionable efficiency, offhand?, defense? Like all the non-elite prospects there are some weaknesses. Consider what his stats would be in sophomore season.

I like this kid a lot, I just didn't like the fact he had no athletic abilities while being 6'6. I think he had like 2 dunks all year and a low FTR no?

[WuTang_CMB]

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Better work this guy out and take a long hard look, 6'6 combo guards aren't that common. I think his handles are good enough to take lead PG role. I get the advanced stats aren't there but he passes the eye test. Doesn't have that elite burst, questionable efficiency, offhand?, defense? Like all the non-elite prospects there are some weaknesses. Consider what his stats would be in sophomore season.

I like this kid a lot, I just didn't like the fact he had no athletic abilities while being 6'6. I think he had like 2 dunks all year and a low FTR no?

JHS would be ideal in the 20s not at 13 IMO

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Is BK the main target here with #21 and #22 for #13.

I feel like there biggest need is at PG. They can groom one until they are ready to usurp Dinwiddie and Mills. They will probably target Cason Wallace or Nick Smith Jr.

Possibly the full trade is #13, Malachi Flynn and Otto Porter for #21, #22 and Patty Mills?

PG Dinwiddie - #13/Flynn
SG Mikal - Thomas/Harris
SF Cameron - DFS - Harris
PF Simmons? - Otto/Cameron
C Claxton - Sharpe

These are teams that have multiple picks lower than us:

BRK: 21/22
UTA: 16/28
IND: 26/29/33

I wouldn't do the Indy trade.

If Wallace isn't there and neither is Dick I would trade down to Brooklyn and hope to get Cissoko/Podz with a fall back of Bufkin/Leonard Miller or even Coulibaly if they are all gone.

16 and 28 lets you get Cissoko and possibly Podz, but probably not. Leonard Miller and Coulibaly will probably be available @28.

You think exactly like I do. I've seen a mock where Cissoko goes as high as #15. I think he'll be there at #16. I think tall guard Smith paired with Sexton works decent.

Aingle is going to ask for #13...and Barnes for #16/28.

I don't think Masai has ever traded up or down (can't remember his time in DEN clearly though) so it's probably likely we stay put.

Well, Masai traded #22 and Khem Birch for #33 and Thaddeus Young.

Masai could also trade up if he really likes a player. OG + 13 could probably get you really high if you like a certain guy beyond Wemby.

Would rather trade Pascal for #2 or #3.

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Better work this guy out and take a long hard look, 6'6 combo guards aren't that common. I think his handles are good enough to take lead PG role. I get the advanced stats aren't there but he passes the eye test. Doesn't have that elite burst, questionable efficiency, offhand?, defense? Like all the non-elite prospects there are some weaknesses. Consider what his stats would be in sophomore season.

Cissoko is a 6'7 combo guard, that dunks on people.

[WuTang_CMB]

Nice listen

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000611481884

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Nice listen

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000611481884

Isn't Chad Ford the one that edited/changed his mock draft after the draft?

[WuTang_CMB]

Nice listen

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast/id1503591370?i=1000611481884

Isn't Chad Ford the one that edited/changed his mock draft after the draft?

Retired few yrs ago living out in hawaii now

barlow took over

[bboyskinnylegs]

who gets drafted first, Hendricks or Walker?

[Morse Code]

Thoughts on Brice Sensabaugh? A friend of mine is very high on him. Thinks he’s a future first option. What do you guys think?

[Clutch0z24]

Thoughts on Brice Sensabaugh? A friend of mine is very high on him. Thinks he’s a future first option. What do you guys think?

Hes my pick if hes there at 13....I see offensive star in his future...Cause his jumpshot looks so smooth already at his age....Remember DeMar how raw he was and had a wonky jumpshot as a rookie...He was an athletic beast though but Brice has that DeRozan offensive package and looks way more polished at his age...

DeMar was a gym rat but if Brice can be a gym rat and grows with Barnes i could see a good duo there....We need a guy who can just get you buckets ....This board is low on him due to his defense and lack of athletic ability but imo hes the perfect pick at 13 cause i can see him being one of the better offensive players in this class at the end of the day....

But we shall see...Imo if he develops more could be an easy 25 PPG scorer in his future.....Lots here will call him Dion waiters or something but thats just the people who look at his floor rather than his ceiling.

[Yallbecrazy]

Thoughts on Brice Sensabaugh? A friend of mine is very high on him. Thinks he’s a future first option. What do you guys think?

Hes my pick if hes there at 13....I see offensive star in his future...Cause his jumpshot looks so smooth already at his age....Remember DeMar how raw he was and had a wonky jumpshot as a rookie...He was an athletic beast though but Brice has that DeRozan offensive package and looks way more polished at his age...

DeMar was a gym rat but if Brice can be a gym rat and grows with Barnes i could see a good duo there....We need a guy who can just get you buckets ....This board is low on him due to his defense and lack of athletic ability but imo hes the perfect pick at 13 cause i can see him being one of the better offensive players in this class at the end of the day....

But we shall see...Imo if he develops more could be an easy 25 PPG scorer in his future.....Lots here will call him Dion waiters or something but thats just the people who look at his floor rather than his ceiling.

Also his 1.2ast to 2.0 TOs a game. His assist rate for his usage is extremely low.
Terrible passer and defender, mediocre rebounder means I have a hard time liking him as a prospect.
Maybe he scores a lot as a rookie and you can trade him after 1 season for some better picks, but he projects to be too 1 dimensional.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

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NBA ready, NBA moves, NBA body and will step up in the clutch. If Masai took him at 13 I wouldn't even care.

I'm with you on Sasser. The kid's a winner and takes nothing off the table. That said, 13 is a little too high for me. I'd also want to see us move on from Flynn before bringing on Sasser. Sasser can contribute next year, but I'd be worried about Flynn stealing his minutes cause this org seems to still believe in his upside despite multiple chances.

I'm at the point where all I am really concerned about is the Raptors walking out of the draft with Marcus Sasser as a part of the organization no matter when and how that happens. He solves so many issues that have plagued this team and fits like a glove. It would seem to be crazy to say he's as good as Maxey but when you factor in his defensive ability to make up for whatever Maxey does better offensively they are similar value players.

An elite deep shooter who can play on and off ball while not being a defensive liability? Sounds like what the doctor ordered for Toronto. Such an easy decision to make to replace Gary Bricks Jr. with this kid.

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Thoughts on Brice Sensabaugh? A friend of mine is very high on him. Thinks he’s a future first option. What do you guys think?

Hes my pick if hes there at 13....I see offensive star in his future...Cause his jumpshot looks so smooth already at his age....Remember DeMar how raw he was and had a wonky jumpshot as a rookie...He was an athletic beast though but Brice has that DeRozan offensive package and looks way more polished at his age...

DeMar was a gym rat but if Brice can be a gym rat and grows with Barnes i could see a good duo there....We need a guy who can just get you buckets ....This board is low on him due to his defense and lack of athletic ability but imo hes the perfect pick at 13 cause i can see him being one of the better offensive players in this class at the end of the day....

But we shall see...Imo if he develops more could be an easy 25 PPG scorer in his future.....Lots here will call him Dion waiters or something but thats just the people who look at his floor rather than his ceiling.

His ceiling could be Glenn Robinson.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robingl01.html

A/T < 1
His ORtg is worse than his DRtg. Doesn't actually help you win. Ray Allen, Sam Cassel and Terrell Brandon were good. Glenn put in his 21ppg but was as effective as Derozan. It took Demar 6 seasons before becoming a Net Positive player. His 2nd half of his career was way better than Glenn Robinson's whole career.

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I'm at the point where all I am really concerned about is the Raptors walking out of the draft with Marcus Sasser as a part of the organization no matter when and how that happens. He solves so many issues that have plagued this team and fits like a glove. It would seem to be crazy to say he's as good as Maxey but when you factor in his defensive ability to make up for whatever Maxey does better offensively they are similar value players.

An elite deep shooter who can play on and off ball while not being a defensive liability? Sounds like what the doctor ordered for Toronto. Such an easy decision to make to replace Gary Bricks Jr. with this kid.

If Cason Wallace is drafted, then I guess if they think that Sasser is the main reason why Houston is #1 and not Jarace Walker, then I guess so. But he should only be drafted if they plan to sign and trade FVV.

[Clutch0z24]

Thoughts on Brice Sensabaugh? A friend of mine is very high on him. Thinks he’s a future first option. What do you guys think?

Hes my pick if hes there at 13....I see offensive star in his future...Cause his jumpshot looks so smooth already at his age....Remember DeMar how raw he was and had a wonky jumpshot as a rookie...He was an athletic beast though but Brice has that DeRozan offensive package and looks way more polished at his age...

DeMar was a gym rat but if Brice can be a gym rat and grows with Barnes i could see a good duo there....We need a guy who can just get you buckets ....This board is low on him due to his defense and lack of athletic ability but imo hes the perfect pick at 13 cause i can see him being one of the better offensive players in this class at the end of the day....

But we shall see...Imo if he develops more could be an easy 25 PPG scorer in his future.....Lots here will call him Dion waiters or something but thats just the people who look at his floor rather than his ceiling.

Also his 1.2ast to 2.0 TOs a game. His assist rate for his usage is extremely low.
Terrible passer and defender, mediocre rebounder means I have a hard time liking him as a prospect.
Maybe he scores a lot as a rookie and you can trade him after 1 season for some better picks, but he projects to be too 1 dimensional.

Fair point but imo i think our team has enough guys who do the little things good like rebounding/assists/defenders but our team lacks a guy who can make tough shots when it matters....That is my reasoning for the Raptors to draft Brice....Just because he fills what we need so badly....And if Brice develops into an offensive star he would fit in well next to Siakam/Barnes/OG type players....

What this board wants to do is add more of the Barnes/OG/Siakam type player with 13.

I think our team need if we had a guy who could get you 20-25 PPG and be a guy who can score at all 3 levels which Brice can do already and if you develop him more could even be higher as a scorer i think thats what we need most atm.

[Raptorfan2012]

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NBA ready, NBA moves, NBA body and will step up in the clutch. If Masai took him at 13 I wouldn't even care.

I'm with you on Sasser. The kid's a winner and takes nothing off the table. That said, 13 is a little too high for me. I'd also want to see us move on from Flynn before bringing on Sasser. Sasser can contribute next year, but I'd be worried about Flynn stealing his minutes cause this org seems to still believe in his upside despite multiple chances.

There is no such thing has 'too high'; you like the prospect, you pick him. Remember, the mock drafts we see as fans online is not the same kind of mock that the actual teams have. We may think guys like Sasser are available in the second round, but professional scouts may have other ideas.