2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[docholliday99]

Will Lou on Scoot:

Downtin had better numbers in gleague. If I squint maybe I can see a top prospect

This guy gets paid to talk about basketball for a living lmfao

Jesus

His parter with that horrendous cartoon laugh lol

that show is hot garbage with zero basketball insight

I don't know if I'd go that far, he has his opinions and I wouldn't take him any more seriously than posters here - like myself

Still, regarding Scoot, TBH for all the hype, I wasn't overly impressed. Sure he had some moments but overall he's very inefficient and didn't seem to have that defensive edge that I like to see (that's just me though).

As for the Dowtin comparison by Lou, well, not only is Dowtin a bit physically bigger, he had comparable stats with much less usage, was far more efficient and was a better defender - though he is 26 and probably topped out. Good thing Scoot is only 19 but honestly, I was far more impressed with Black, Smith and Cason.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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[docholliday99]

This Bilal fellow, didn't know much about him as I haven't seen a mock draft rating him higher than 17th (on NBADraft). I like what I've read about him though - especially the OG comparison and a generational type defender.

Is he worth a 13th pick?

[Thaddy]

How I guess it will go

1 - Spurs - Wembanyama
2 - Hornets - B. Miller
3 - Blazers - Henderson
4- Rockets - Amen Thompson
5 - Pistons - Whitmore
6 - Magic - Hendricks
7- Pacers - Ausar Thompson
8 - Wizards - Walker
9 - Jazz - Black
10 - Mavs - Hawkins
11 - Magic - Dick
12 - Thunder - L. Miller / Rupert
13 - Raptors - Coulibaly / Wallace
14 - Pelicans - George

My draft board for the Raptors:

1- Wembanyama
2 - Henderson
3 - B. Miller
4 - Whitmore
5 - Coulibaly
6 - Amen
7 - Hendricks
8 - Ausar
9 - Black
10 - Walker
11 - Wallace
12 - Cissoko
13 - Hawkins
14 - L. Miller

We usually go with length and playmaker, with great physical tools. Bilal checks all that off and he's a strong fit with Barnes. I would guess we try to develop him like he's a guard.

Extra note: I am pretty sure Miller will be a bust but he's pretty high in other draft boards so maybe it's just me.

[ItsDanger]

Zach Edey jump shoot form looks good.

[Kevin Willis]

I got to think OKC will prioritize a PF at their spot.

Chet!!! Poku not developing? Trade Isaiah Joe for Precious Achiuwa. They should draft BPA. Jaylin Williams looks like he could be a solid option at C like Al Horford Light. That would allow Chet to play PF like KAT does, floating around the perimeter.

Too much work just to draft Bilal. He's good but he's not that good or he would be top 5. Chet will be a rookie. Poku needs a couple more years. Precious is not the answer at PF / C or we wouldn't be trying to get rid of him. Most likely get a player that has a higher floor and go for a pure project with one of their lower picks. Get a solid PG at 13 instead of redundancy.

Also Dieng was a SG / SF that kept on growing. He's only an inch taller than Giddey who is SG at 6'8". That's the joke about OK roster, you can have a lineup that averages 6"9' - 6'10" with everyone in the natural position.

[docholliday99]

Extra note: I am pretty sure Miller will be a bust but he's pretty high in other draft boards so maybe it's just me.

Why's that? Gut?

For myself I see Scoot as a bust, he has shades of DSJ for me.

[docholliday99]

Precious is not the answer at PF / C or we wouldn't be trying to get rid of him.

We are? He's a Masai favorite since Basketball Without Borders and a player MU really went after. You have me curious there.

[WuTang_CMB]

Will Lou on Scoot:

Downtin had better numbers in gleague. If I squint maybe I can see a top prospect

This guy gets paid to talk about basketball for a living lmfao

Jesus

His parter with that horrendous cartoon laugh lol

that show is hot garbage with zero basketball insight

I don't know if I'd go that far, he has his opinions and I wouldn't take him any more seriously than posters here - like myself

Still, regarding Scoot, TBH for all the hype, I wasn't overly impressed. Sure he had some moments but overall he's very inefficient and didn't seem to have that defensive edge that I like to see (that's just me though).

As for the Dowtin comparison by Lou, well, not only is Dowtin a bit physically bigger, he had comparable stats with much less usage, was far more efficient and was a better defender - though he is 26 and probably topped out. Good thing Scoot is only 19 but honestly, I was far more impressed with Black, Smith and Cason.

his opinions aren't good for someone who follows the team closely. it's a waste of time to listen to him.

[docholliday99]

His parter with that horrendous cartoon laugh lol

that show is hot garbage with zero basketball insight

I don't know if I'd go that far, he has his opinions and I wouldn't take him any more seriously than posters here - like myself

Still, regarding Scoot, TBH for all the hype, I wasn't overly impressed. Sure he had some moments but overall he's very inefficient and didn't seem to have that defensive edge that I like to see (that's just me though).

As for the Dowtin comparison by Lou, well, not only is Dowtin a bit physically bigger, he had comparable stats with much less usage, was far more efficient and was a better defender - though he is 26 and probably topped out. Good thing Scoot is only 19 but honestly, I was far more impressed with Black, Smith and Cason.

his opinions aren't good for someone who follows the team closely. it's a waste of time to listen to him.

Meh, no different than anyone else. Still, he really wasn't off about Scoot.

[WuTang_CMB]

I don't know if I'd go that far, he has his opinions and I wouldn't take him any more seriously than posters here - like myself

Still, regarding Scoot, TBH for all the hype, I wasn't overly impressed. Sure he had some moments but overall he's very inefficient and didn't seem to have that defensive edge that I like to see (that's just me though).

As for the Dowtin comparison by Lou, well, not only is Dowtin a bit physically bigger, he had comparable stats with much less usage, was far more efficient and was a better defender - though he is 26 and probably topped out. Good thing Scoot is only 19 but honestly, I was far more impressed with Black, Smith and Cason.

his opinions aren't good for someone who follows the team closely. it's a waste of time to listen to him.

Meh, no different than anyone else. Still, he really wasn't off about Scoot.

Not even talking about Scoot. They are both really bad.

[docholliday99]

his opinions aren't good for someone who follows the team closely. it's a waste of time to listen to him.

Meh, no different than anyone else. Still, he really wasn't off about Scoot.

Not even talking about Scoot. They are both really bad.

LMAO totally fair and my bad

[C_Money]

Leonard Miller projects to be a good shooter in the NBA. I don’t see any bust potential with him like I do some of the others.

[gbball]

For those who want Bilal, I wonder if OKC takes the Canadian (Miller) over the French player, having had success with SGA and Dort, and not so much success with Maledon.

Either of those two seems like a good pickup for them. I like Bilal, but I can see OKC picking him. Especially if he's really 6'8. He might still be growing too. He was 5'11 at 16.

I'll be bummed if we don't get him.

There are a lot of nice consolation players to take if he's gone though. Miller being one of them. He's not what we need, but he's an intriguing talent too. You can't argue with his mix of upside, production and recent development.

It'd be tough to miss out on Shaedon one year and then Bilal the next.

[WuTang_CMB]

Leonard Miller projects to be a good shooter in the NBA. I don’t see any bust potential with him like I do some of the others.

This would be an insane thing to say 12 months ago. Credit to him as he's come a long way.

[gbball]

My genuine opinion on which players look like dogs to me (because I'm only listing one guy that's actually on desired list to draft)

Scoot - we all seen how he was trying to take it to Vic, making big shots all game long and going at Vic's chin
Vic - BUT he was every bit the dog too because he came back like nnnyeeeeah eh?! lol and dusted him with big shots to close them out
George - I just don't see a scared bone in his body *actually 3rd on my list because of that it factor, just plays with a swagger & fearlessness to his game
Sasser - just plays with an intensity & goes at his opponent, always seems ready to compete
Miller - off court stuff aside, he answered the call at most of his big games he was in which says something

I mean I think I see it in my favorite pick too, Coulibaly by the defensive energy he brings and doesn't back down but his role is obviously waaaay too small to be able to say that definitively. So it's a maybe for me but I won't lie I'm just very lured by his physical gifts and raw potential that you can just see he has but I won't derail because this is about who looks like "dogs" & to me those guys standout for me.

I see it in Coulibaly too. He's got a fearlessness and tenacity to his game.

[ArthurVandelay]

This Bilal fellow, didn't know much about him as I haven't seen a mock draft rating him higher than 17th (on NBADraft). I like what I've read about him though - especially the OG comparison and a generational type defender.

Is he worth a 13th pick?

If you’re willing to be patient for a season or two, yes. I hope Raps get him.

[Clutch0z24]

imo the only way we draft Bilal is if we move Siakam and or OG to the Blazers for their 3rd pick and get Scoot/Simons.....If we just stand pat we are more than likely drafting a guard since we are possibly going to lose FVV/GTJR for nothing and have Flynn/Banton as the only guards left on the team....

We have no way of upgrading our guard depth in Free agency so yeah we either Trade OG for an elite guard and draft Bilal to replace OG or we stand pat and take one of the talented guards at 13 so we at least have someone to play PG or SG next season...

Atm we have Barnes/OG/Siakam with a few depth guys like Boucher/Precious/Otto Porter.....Adding another wing with raw offensive ability would just stack us at forwards with no guards at all and FVV who played 40 mins a game cause we lacked guard depth....I do not wanna see that again....But who even knows if FVV is back...

You can't run a good basketball team with no guard depth or guard play...Especially in todays NBA where the guards are so important to team success...

[Rodrickle]

Leonard Miller projects to be a good shooter in the NBA. I don’t see any bust potential with him like I do some of the others.

I said before he's a very low risk pick because he's got some very translatable skills and good feel. I feel that he will get good backup min feom day 1. But I dont know if he projects to be a good shooter. His form needs work.

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[WuTang_CMB]

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