With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

[HumbleRen]

Might be a flop of a pick at the moment.

Good vision in transition but his touch is completely ass and that’s not a good thing when you have no semblance of a jumper.

He has a lot of work to do in the 905.

[Got Nuffin]

I'm high on some of the other guys we saw play - Dick, Shead, even Chomche was.. interesting? But Mogbo i can barely remember what he was doing after watching the entire game and that's not a good thing. Need to see more to even understand what he is.

[OakleyDokely]

Any dude with a 7'4 wingspan who can put up 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal and 1 block in 19 mins...there's something there.

[Indeed]

I'm high on some of the other guys we saw play - Dick, Shead, even Chomche was.. interesting? But Mogbo i can barely remember what he was doing after watching the entire game and that's not a good thing. Need to see more to even understand what he is.

Tied for highest assists, no?

[Basketball_Jones]

Kind of a Precious clone. Which, if he turns out as good as him I’d love that. Seems less shot happy and more under control, but obviously that has downsides too.

[mademan]

Kind of a Precious clone. Which, if he turns out as good as him I’d love that. Seems less shot happy and more under control, but obviously that has downsides too.

He kind of looks like Precious, but he plays nothing like him. Dude actually makes good decisions with the ball

[Scase]

Kind of a Precious clone. Which, if he turns out as good as him I’d love that. Seems less shot happy and more under control, but obviously that has downsides too.

If someone gave precious a brain and nothing else, he would be in 6moty conversations. I'll happily take that.

[Vorticity]

Kind of a Precious clone. Which, if he turns out as good as him I’d love that. Seems less shot happy and more under control, but obviously that has downsides too.

Go wash your mouth!

Remember,, Darko talking about using Precious as offensive hub to initiate at the elbows etc. as a passer in last year's pre-season camp and how it died within 1 game? lol look at him since the trade in NY, same ****.

[potential of ] Precious with a brain + BBIQ is what Masai wanted in the lowry trade. just cuz he looks like him, their games are not the same.

[YogurtProducer]

Any dude with a 7'4 wingspan who can put up 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal and 1 block in 19 mins...there's something there.

And I love that we have concluded he cant finish based off.... 5 pre-season shot attempts. He shot 60% in summer league in limited playing time, and 64% in college as a Jr.

We are seriously saying he cant finish because of 5 shots attempts in a pre-season game

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=0012400007&PlayerID=1642367&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Pre%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

Definitely hope he can start hitting some of these, but these are not exactly like "gimmes" he was missing here. All were decently contested.

IMO - it looks like right now he is initiating contact, probably because in College he could out power most guys, but that does not work here. He will need to work on a bit of finesse but will be fine. Lets not forget, even a guy like Siakam was not the same threat around the hoop as a rookie as he became.

[TimeForChange]

Kind of a Precious clone. Which, if he turns out as good as him I’d love that. Seems less shot happy and more under control, but obviously that has downsides too.

He is nothing like Precious.

Precious has absolutely 0 BB IQ. Mogbo is probably top-5 on the Raps in terms of BB IQ alrerady.

[TimeForChange]

I cannot believe how many of you rate a player based on scoring

[HumbleRen]

I cannot believe how many of you rate a player based on scoring

Idk how you can watch this team and league over the last several years and not realize how important spacing is.

It’s undoubtedly important, even more so as a bench/rotation player. Mogbo could overcome it due to his passing ability for his size but it’s not exactly a great starting point for him as a 23 year old.

[Boogie!]

has nothing to do with stat stuffing, but he just kind of looks invisible. like he doesn't look tenacious on the boards, outhustling guys, doesn't really finish well in traffic. any time i see a guy with limited offensive skill, but with athleticism, i always expect him to be the most intense guy on the floor, battling for rebounds, finishing hard in the paint. but mogbo just looks invisible. in fact this is exactly why i've always been so high on boucher. everyone talks **** about his shot selection and dumb decisions, but he always found a way to be involved in plays he had no business being involved in, or just routinely made something out of nothing by his hustle. he'd draw loose ball fouls, beat guys to loose balls, move to the right places to get open for a basket, it's stuff that no one really notices that doesn't show up on the box score. but everyone just dwells on his negatives. no one else on the team does the **** boucher does. so whenever i see these no skill, athletes come into the league those are always my bare minimum expectations, but it turns out that hustle really is a skill in itself. in summation, mogbo hasn't been impressive to me not in summer league and so far not in preseason.

[HumbleRen]

has nothing to do with stat stuffing, but he just kind of looks invisible. like he doesn't look tenacious on the boards, outhustling guys, doesn't really finish well in traffic. any time i see a guy with limited offensive skill, but with athleticism, i always expect him to be the most intense guy on the floor, battling for rebounds, finishing hard in the paint. but mogbo just looks invisible. in fact this is exactly why i've always been so high on boucher. everyone talks **** about his shot selection and dumb decisions, but he always found a way to be involved in plays he had no business being involved in, or just routinely made something out of nothing by his hustle. he'd draw loose ball fouls, beat guys to loose balls, move to the right places to get open for a basket, it's stuff that no one really notices that doesn't show up on the box score. but everyone just dwells on his negatives. no one else on the team does the **** boucher does. so whenever i see these no skill, athletes come into the league those are always my bare minimum expectations, but it turns out that hustle really is a skill in itself. in summation, mogbo hasn't been impressive to me not in summer league and so far not in preseason.

It’s literally all of the worst traits in year 2 Scottie and like the worst case scenario for Scottie coming into the draft.

I’d be completely fine with him if he had a Draymond Green type motor but he’s timid and that’s just not use to any team if you can’t shoot or space.

[Scase]

has nothing to do with stat stuffing, but he just kind of looks invisible. like he doesn't look tenacious on the boards, outhustling guys, doesn't really finish well in traffic. any time i see a guy with limited offensive skill, but with athleticism, i always expect him to be the most intense guy on the floor, battling for rebounds, finishing hard in the paint. but mogbo just looks invisible. in fact this is exactly why i've always been so high on boucher. everyone talks **** about his shot selection and dumb decisions, but he always found a way to be involved in plays he had no business being involved in, or just routinely made something out of nothing by his hustle. he'd draw loose ball fouls, beat guys to loose balls, move to the right places to get open for a basket, it's stuff that no one really notices that doesn't show up on the box score. but everyone just dwells on his negatives. no one else on the team does the **** boucher does. so whenever i see these no skill, athletes come into the league those are always my bare minimum expectations, but it turns out that hustle really is a skill in itself. in summation, mogbo hasn't been impressive to me not in summer league and so far not in preseason.

It’s literally all of the worst traits in year 2 Scottie and like the worst case scenario for Scottie coming into the draft.

I’d be completely fine with him if he had a Draymond Green type motor but he’s timid and that’s just not use to any team if you can’t shoot or space.

Lol it's been like 3 SL games and 1 pre season, he might end up being useless, but lets give it a minute.

[HumbleRen]

has nothing to do with stat stuffing, but he just kind of looks invisible. like he doesn't look tenacious on the boards, outhustling guys, doesn't really finish well in traffic. any time i see a guy with limited offensive skill, but with athleticism, i always expect him to be the most intense guy on the floor, battling for rebounds, finishing hard in the paint. but mogbo just looks invisible. in fact this is exactly why i've always been so high on boucher. everyone talks **** about his shot selection and dumb decisions, but he always found a way to be involved in plays he had no business being involved in, or just routinely made something out of nothing by his hustle. he'd draw loose ball fouls, beat guys to loose balls, move to the right places to get open for a basket, it's stuff that no one really notices that doesn't show up on the box score. but everyone just dwells on his negatives. no one else on the team does the **** boucher does. so whenever i see these no skill, athletes come into the league those are always my bare minimum expectations, but it turns out that hustle really is a skill in itself. in summation, mogbo hasn't been impressive to me not in summer league and so far not in preseason.

It’s literally all of the worst traits in year 2 Scottie and like the worst case scenario for Scottie coming into the draft.

I’d be completely fine with him if he had a Draymond Green type motor but he’s timid and that’s just not use to any team if you can’t shoot or space.

Lol it's been like 3 SL games and 1 pre season, he might end up being useless, but lets give it a minute.

I am, it’s why I said he has a lot of work to do in the 905.

I’m just less forgiving of players who are 23 years old lol. They’re supposed to be win now players, not projects. This isn’t a Siakam scenario where he’s completely raw due to lack of experience. He’s an American born player who played ball his entire life.

I’m this harsh on him because I do think he can contribute to winning basketball in his rookie year. I just didn’t expect him to be this timid.

[Scase]

It’s literally all of the worst traits in year 2 Scottie and like the worst case scenario for Scottie coming into the draft.

I’d be completely fine with him if he had a Draymond Green type motor but he’s timid and that’s just not use to any team if you can’t shoot or space.

Lol it's been like 3 SL games and 1 pre season, he might end up being useless, but lets give it a minute.

I am, it’s why I said he has a lot of work to do in the 905.

I’m just less forgiving of players who are 23 years old lol. They’re supposed to be win now players, not projects. This isn’t a Siakam scenario where he’s completely raw due to lack of experience. He’s an American born player who played ball his entire life.

I’m this harsh on him because I do think he can contribute to winning basketball in his rookie year. I just didn’t expect him to be this timid.

Nobody drafts a player with the 31st pick and expects them to contribute to anything in their rookie year lol. Even ignoring that, it's been like 5 games total, and not even a real NBA game, there's adjustments to be made. If you're expecting him to come in and help the team out, you need to check your expectations.

[HumbleRen]

Lol it's been like 3 SL games and 1 pre season, he might end up being useless, but lets give it a minute.

I am, it’s why I said he has a lot of work to do in the 905.

I’m just less forgiving of players who are 23 years old lol. They’re supposed to be win now players, not projects. This isn’t a Siakam scenario where he’s completely raw due to lack of experience. He’s an American born player who played ball his entire life.

I’m this harsh on him because I do think he can contribute to winning basketball in his rookie year. I just didn’t expect him to be this timid.

Nobody drafts a player with the 31st pick and expects them to contribute to anything in their rookie year lol. Even ignoring that, it's been like 5 games total, and not even a real NBA game, there's adjustments to be made. If you're expecting him to come in and help the team out, you need to check your expectations.

I expect rookies who are 23 to be ready to contribute in some shape or form. That’s the entire appeal of drafting older rookies who aren’t from overseas.

My expectation is for him to have a learning curve and eventually contribute in a small way to the team in the 2nd half. That’s an entirely fair expectation of an older rookie.

[Scase]

I am, it’s why I said he has a lot of work to do in the 905.

I’m just less forgiving of players who are 23 years old lol. They’re supposed to be win now players, not projects. This isn’t a Siakam scenario where he’s completely raw due to lack of experience. He’s an American born player who played ball his entire life.

I’m this harsh on him because I do think he can contribute to winning basketball in his rookie year. I just didn’t expect him to be this timid.

Nobody drafts a player with the 31st pick and expects them to contribute to anything in their rookie year lol. Even ignoring that, it's been like 5 games total, and not even a real NBA game, there's adjustments to be made. If you're expecting him to come in and help the team out, you need to check your expectations.

I expect rookies who are 23 to be ready to contribute in some shape or form. That’s the entire appeal of drafting older rookies who aren’t from overseas.

My expectation is for him to have a learning curve and eventually contribute in a small way to the team in the 2nd half. That’s an entirely fair expectation of an older rookie.

Maybe one drafted in the mid first round, SRPs are always crap shoots. And even FRPs at that point are no guarantee, look no further than Ochai, 22.5y when he was drafted, 4 year college player, 2 years into the league, still sucks.

[YogurtProducer]

I am, it’s why I said he has a lot of work to do in the 905.

I’m just less forgiving of players who are 23 years old lol. They’re supposed to be win now players, not projects. This isn’t a Siakam scenario where he’s completely raw due to lack of experience. He’s an American born player who played ball his entire life.

I’m this harsh on him because I do think he can contribute to winning basketball in his rookie year. I just didn’t expect him to be this timid.

Nobody drafts a player with the 31st pick and expects them to contribute to anything in their rookie year lol. Even ignoring that, it's been like 5 games total, and not even a real NBA game, there's adjustments to be made. If you're expecting him to come in and help the team out, you need to check your expectations.

I expect rookies who are 23 to be ready to contribute in some shape or form. That’s the entire appeal of drafting older rookies who aren’t from overseas.

My expectation is for him to have a learning curve and eventually contribute in a small way to the team in the 2nd half. That’s an entirely fair expectation of an older rookie.

Most 23 year old rookies did not play their freshman college season at "Independence Community College" of the NJCAA, transfer to Northeastern Oklahoma A&M Athletics in D2, and only make a D1 school as a Junior.

So he has played 64 D1 basketball games. Siakam, for reference, played 68.

Looking at age is a pretty elementary way of evaluating experience. Mogbo was 5'9" as a high school freshman, so really his experience in a 6'8" frame is pretty limited.