Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

[fredericklove]

Btw, one question for all y'all, Beal or River? And why?

[Tough Tony D]

Btw, one question for all y'all, Beal or River? And why?

For me its definetly Beal. Taller, better athlete, better defender, better rebounder, better FT shooter. Almost 1 full year younger. (Rivers is aug. 1 1992, Beal is June 28 1993)

[ty123]

Ohhh just thought some of you guys would like to see this HL on Lamb just to see that he does probably have the best handles out of the wing propects...I know I'm going HL crazy tonight but whatever lol

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxbtin3UBjw&feature=related[/youtube]

That first step looks average. Rivers will probably be a better pro.

[DreamTeam09]

Lamb is & will be better den rivers imho...

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

You guys remember Kerry Kittles? Does anybody see a little Kerry Kittles in Jeremy Lamb?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aozbobpU54&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Kittles was supposed to a big time player if I remember correctly, but injuries derailed his career. I'd take a pre-injury Kittles from Lamb.

[gojoorange]

Btw, one question for all y'all, Beal or River? And why?

Beal for sure. Rivers is the next Quincy Douby.

[sunny]

Ohhh just thought some of you guys would like to see this HL on Lamb just to see that he does probably have the best handles out of the wing propects...I know I'm going HL crazy tonight but whatever lol

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxbtin3UBjw&feature=related[/youtube]

He has the best handle in this class imo, and since this league lacks star guard, I can see him bust out the 20 pts mark and contribute across the board and perhaps makes the all star reserve in the East or West wherever he ends up, and have a poor mans brandon roy type of career. It sucks that he cant lead the uconn team this year tho, idk how that will affect his draft stock but nonetheless, I see him going as high as the 3rd pick in this draft. This kid is going to have a bright future for sure.

The situation right now for Uconn is extremely difficult. I don't think theres any player in the country who could lead them and I don't think its something you can judge Lamb on.
The big east is damn tough. Playing without your coach is near impossible. Being forced to focus 100% on D, play a system and play on offense with people who won't pass sucks too.

Remember how horrible Uconn was last year before their run and outside of Kemba?

[Steely Reserve]

You see, the fact 98.2% of you have Harrison Barnes higher on your board than MKG is nothing shocking to me. You were the same people claiming for months Drummond was a top pick and worthy of drafting and taking minutes from Valancuinas.

You were the same people who had Barnes as the #1 pick before the media told you to like Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond.

Look, the draft is always about having a defined scouting eye. Knowing what you're looking for and then contrasting that to the talent you already have on your team. During the summer the media told you to like Harrison Barnes, and you did. Two weeks into the season the media told you to like Anthony Davis, and you did. Same with Drummond. You're starting to do it with Thomas Robinson.

You all are parrots -- at least a vast majority of you are.

I know that sounds blunt but I'm not here to be anyone's friend. It's about wins. I may hurt feelings along the way but I'm damn good at this stuff. My draft board for you guys will hold up through the next five months. I don't need Chad Ford. I don't need DraftExpess.

But more importantly, I don't need your love.

[sunny]

You see, the fact 98.2% of you have Harrison Barnes higher on your board than MKG is nothing shocking to me. You were the same people claiming for months Drummond was a top pick and worthy of drafting and taking minutes from Valancuinas.

You were the same people who had Barnes as the #1 pick before the media told you to like Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond.

Look, the draft is always about having a defined scouting eye. Knowing what you're looking for and then contrasting that to the talent you already have on your team. During the summer the media told you to like Harrison Barnes, and you did. Two weeks into the season the media told you to like Anthony Davis, and you did. Same with Drummond. You're starting to do it with Thomas Robinson.

You all are parrots -- at least a vast majority of you are.

I know that sounds blunt but I'm not here to be anyone's friend. It's about wins. I may hurt feelings along the way but I'm damn good at this stuff. My draft board for you guys will hold up through the next five months. I don't need Chad Ford. I don't need DraftExpess.

But more importantly, I don't need your love.

whats your 2013 big board. I wan't to be ahead of the curve so when you're gone, I know who to cheer for.

[CunningLinguist]

You see, the fact 98.2% of you have Harrison Barnes higher on your board than MKG is nothing shocking to me. You were the same people claiming for months Drummond was a top pick and worthy of drafting and taking minutes from Valancuinas.

You were the same people who had Barnes as the #1 pick before the media told you to like Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond.

Look, the draft is always about having a defined scouting eye. Knowing what you're looking for and then contrasting that to the talent you already have on your team. During the summer the media told you to like Harrison Barnes, and you did. Two weeks into the season the media told you to like Anthony Davis, and you did. Same with Drummond. You're starting to do it with Thomas Robinson.

You all are parrots -- at least a vast majority of you are.

I know that sounds blunt but I'm not here to be anyone's friend. It's about wins. I may hurt feelings along the way but I'm damn good at this stuff. My draft board for you guys will hold up through the next five months. I don't need Chad Ford. I don't need DraftExpess.

But more importantly, I don't need your love.

Aren't you the same guy would said Kyrie Irving was vastly overrated by members of this board prior to last year's draft? (Answer: YES)

That would be the same Kyrie Irving who's scoring 18 PPG in only 30 minutes on 50% shooting and 40% from 3. I'm sure you're not enjoying having him on your Cavs team.

You sir are a legend only in your own mind.

And yes, apparently you do require love and attention. I think your mother may have neglected you as a child. The only other explanation is an extreme case of small penis syndrome.

[nelabai]

Loving Michael Gilchrist, looks like James Johnson with an offensive game.

To me MGK looks like smaller, faster version of James Johnson. Offensive game? no. Guy has pretty ugly shooting form. He has been shooting .289% from downtown. Most of his points are garbage putbacks, layups, fastbreak dunks, little midrage game. Guy is also undersized to play SF on nba level and hasn't got the skills to play SG.

Sure he is exciting player to have, but let's be realistic, he is not a type of player that takes your team to the next level. We desperately need a player like Barnes, Lamb. Guys that are real leaders and guys that you look at when that last shot has to be taken.

[wanker]

Loving Michael Gilchrist, looks like James Johnson with an offensive game.

To me MGK looks like smaller, faster version of James Johnson. Offensive game? no. Guy has pretty ugly shooting form. He has been shooting .289% from downtown. Most of his points are garbage putbacks, layups, fastbreak dunks, little midrage game. Guy is also undersized to play SF on nba level and hasn't got the skills to play SG.

Sure he is exciting player to have, but let's be realistic, he is not a type of player that takes your team to the next level. We desperately need a player like Barnes, Lamb. Guys that are real leaders and guys that you look at when that last shot has to be taken.

Not sure if you are serious. MKG is the standout leader on the top team in the country, Barnes and Lamb aren't leading anyone to anything.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I don't know about leadership skills but MKG has some pretty big question marks, too. He's between positions, or at least he's not big enough to guard the top 3s, and I don't know what he can do in the half-court on offense. A baller, no doubt, but nobody is trying to win a top-3 to get a peripheral player and I think 6-7 is more likely.

You guys remember Kerry Kittles? Does anybody see a little Kerry Kittles in Jeremy Lamb? Kittles was supposed to a big time player if I remember correctly, but injuries derailed his career. I'd take a pre-injury Kittles from Lamb.

I've seen the Kittles comparison around, and it depends on wherer you think Lamb is an on-ball player or off but there are definitely some similarities, particularly physical. I don't really like it, different approaches IMO, though I liked Kittles, who I remember as a smart player, a shooter and very good perimeter defender (how his knees went) but did not create much off the dribble though he could keep it alive. He was an excellent transition player on both sides, one of the best, and I'm not sure that's Lamb's mode.

Could you guys stop quoting that Steamy Rubbish guy?

[Rapsfan07]

Even guys like Wroten and Ross could be special and I think are lottery talent.

I think me, you and Swag have been high on Wroten before the season even started but I dunno why I always forget about Ross?!? I definitely think he can be a stud at the next level and really makes me feel better about our options if BC can trade Davis + something for a late lotto.

If we don't win the draft I will be ecstatic if we come out of the draft with some combo of Barnes/MKG/PJ3/(healthy) Miller and Lamb/Beal/Ross/Rivers.

Lol I know right?! There's just something about Wroten that I think he can be a star if he's got the right coach. He can pass really well, has a good/elite first step, gets to the basket at will and looks like he has the body to be a good defender and a good rebounder at his position. If we could snag a pick to get him I'd be very happy. I wouldn't mind any of those combos you named except for Rivers But Ross I think is going to be very good as well. I see a lot of Jason Richardson there and he's a total steal if he develops that way and is drafted outside of the Top 10 IMO. They look like very solid pieces.

I don't know about leadership skills but MKG has some pretty big question marks, too. He's between positions, or at least he's not big enough to guard the top 3s, and I don't know what he can do in the half-court on offense. A baller, no doubt, but nobody is trying to win a top-3 to get a peripheral player and I think 6-7 is more likely.

I kind of agree with this. I wouldn't exactly mind MKG but if we left the draft with just him, I'd be disappointed. This team needs a leader. A go-to guy. And to me, he looks like another "piece". I believe that we gotta swing for the fences here because this could be a our last trip to the Top 5 for a very long time so we gotta make the best of it. He's a baller no doubt but he's got question marks on an NBA level. I think he's a great fit for SAC or NOLA.

Btw, one question for all y'all, Beal or River? And why?

For me its definetly Beal. Taller, better athlete, better defender, better rebounder, better FT shooter. Almost 1 full year younger. (Rivers is aug. 1 1992, Beal is June 28 1993)[/quote]

This. I think Rivers could be a Barbosa in his prime type guy but that's about it. Could be wrong though but that's what I think.

Does anyone on here know why Steely thinks he's God? Like I don't get. His post are f*ckin annoying

[Marvin!]

Kerry Kittles is the guy I see when watching Lamb as well. As far as leadership goes, not sure how anyone can say Lamb is clearly a leader given the crappy season that UCon is having... not seeing much in the way of leadership there at all personally.

I think Lamb is highly overrated on this board

[wtcantfw]

Kerry Kittles is the guy I see when watching Lamb as well. As far as leadership goes, not sure how anyone can say Lamb is clearly a leader given the crappy season that UCon is having... not seeing much in the way of leadership there at all personally.

I think Lamb is highly overrated on this board

Wow, the Kerry Kittles comparison is bang on.

[Reignman]

You see, the fact 98.2% of you have Harrison Barnes higher on your board than MKG is nothing shocking to me. You were the same people claiming for months Drummond was a top pick and worthy of drafting and taking minutes from Valancuinas.

You were the same people who had Barnes as the #1 pick before the media told you to like Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond.

Look, the draft is always about having a defined scouting eye. Knowing what you're looking for and then contrasting that to the talent you already have on your team. During the summer the media told you to like Harrison Barnes, and you did. Two weeks into the season the media told you to like Anthony Davis, and you did. Same with Drummond. You're starting to do it with Thomas Robinson.

You all are parrots -- at least a vast majority of you are.

I know that sounds blunt but I'm not here to be anyone's friend. It's about wins. I may hurt feelings along the way but I'm damn good at this stuff. My draft board for you guys will hold up through the next five months. I don't need Chad Ford. I don't need DraftExpess.

But more importantly, I don't need your love.

Honestly, you're ruining one of the best draft threads in Realgm. You've been proven wrong over and over again and your flavour of the month scouting style is damn annoying.

Please stay off this board and go wax poetic with the other morons on the draft board, that's where you belong.

If you want to gain some knowledge that you desperately need then just read this thread and refrain from clicking the "post" button or the "reply" button.

Your "skills" are not needed here. What a joke.

[tdotrep2]

How is this kid not banned for trolling?

[CunningLinguist]

You see, the fact 98.2% of you have Harrison Barnes higher on your board than MKG is nothing shocking to me. You were the same people claiming for months Drummond was a top pick and worthy of drafting and taking minutes from Valancuinas.

You were the same people who had Barnes as the #1 pick before the media told you to like Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond.

Look, the draft is always about having a defined scouting eye. Knowing what you're looking for and then contrasting that to the talent you already have on your team. During the summer the media told you to like Harrison Barnes, and you did. Two weeks into the season the media told you to like Anthony Davis, and you did. Same with Drummond. You're starting to do it with Thomas Robinson.

You all are parrots -- at least a vast majority of you are.

I know that sounds blunt but I'm not here to be anyone's friend. It's about wins. I may hurt feelings along the way but I'm damn good at this stuff. My draft board for you guys will hold up through the next five months. I don't need Chad Ford. I don't need DraftExpess.

But more importantly, I don't need your love.

Honestly, you're ruining one of the best draft threads in Realgm. You've been proven wrong over and over again and your flavour of the month scouting style is damn annoying.

Please stay off this board and go wax poetic with the other morons on the draft board, that's where you belong.

If you want to gain some knowledge that you desperately need then just read this thread and refrain from clicking the "post" button or the "reply" button.

Your "skills" are not needed here. What a joke.

I've reported him to the mods. Others may want to likewise express their displeasure.

[Alfred]

You see, the fact 98.2% of you have Harrison Barnes higher on your board than MKG is nothing shocking to me. You were the same people claiming for months Drummond was a top pick and worthy of drafting and taking minutes from Valancuinas.

You were the same people who had Barnes as the #1 pick before the media told you to like Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond.

Look, the draft is always about having a defined scouting eye. Knowing what you're looking for and then contrasting that to the talent you already have on your team. During the summer the media told you to like Harrison Barnes, and you did. Two weeks into the season the media told you to like Anthony Davis, and you did. Same with Drummond. You're starting to do it with Thomas Robinson.

You all are parrots -- at least a vast majority of you are.

I know that sounds blunt but I'm not here to be anyone's friend. It's about wins. I may hurt feelings along the way but I'm damn good at this stuff. My draft board for you guys will hold up through the next five months. I don't need Chad Ford. I don't need DraftExpess.

But more importantly, I don't need your love.

You are really starting to get on my nerves. Calling other people "parrots" for disagreeing with you, and generally insulting anyone who disagrees with your opinions is a great way to get suspended or even banned from the Raptors board. If you don't wise up and start playing nice with the other posters in this thread, action will be taken.