Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[hillbilly hare]

Yeah, anyone who doesn't see the underlying philosophical issues with our corporate ownership needs to wake up. Rogers, Bell, Tanenbaum, MLSE, whatever. They're all part of the problem. This is solely a business venture for them. Here's the #1 reason why BC hasn't been canned yet, and may very well not be canned in the future:

How can anyone say that those financial results are because of Colangelo? What exactly has he himself done to achieve those results, in the sense what's his unique part in achieving them? How would the results have been any different from those under another GM? And why? The team has been horrendous. We haven't had an entertaining losing team, like, say, the run and gun GS Warriors of the past. We haven't had a human highlight reel guy who could entertain fans while the team was losing, e.g. Vince so long ago. The point being, how can anyone honestly say that any other GM capable of putting a very bad, boring, losing team onto the floor wouldn't have been able to achieve similar financial results?

[overdose]

this entire team needs to get blown up , keep Val, DD, lowry. ship everyone else out of town.

[BD12]

Seems like the consensus is he needs to go so now answer the important question. Who should replace him and why?

There was alot of GM changes this past offseason. I think they really missed out on some candidates...such as Dennis Lindsey, Neil Oshley, Rob Hennigan and etc.

I would try to target maybe Troy Weaver and Mark Warkentien.

[Pusha-T]

Seems like the consensus is he needs to go so now answer the important question. Who should replace him and why?

There was alot of GM changes this past offseason. I think they really missed out on some candidates...such as Dennis Lindsey, Neil Oshley, Rob Hennigan and etc.

I would try to target maybe Troy Weaver and Mark Warkentien.

fire Warkentien ...kinda has a ring to it

[ATLTimekeeper]

Profits have little to do with it. The Leafs rake in the dough and MLSE has switched up management before based on results. They want to win. It hasn't happened. My guess as to why he hasn't been fired yet because he's on the last year of his deal and the season is just underway. Also, their star point guard who came out of the gates like a house on fire missed the last two and a half games. Thirdly, the team this year was a bubble playoff team at best, so a slow start isn't all that crazy. Should we get off to one of those ungodly 3-17 type starts where we're out of the picture by December, I think you might see him canned.

[Neutral 123]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

He's had absolutely no guts. Guts would be being honest about needing a real rebuild. He's been cowardly his entire tenure.

[Scase]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

You might wanna invest in a bulldozer, shoveling all that sht must get mighty tiring by hand.

[T-Ross the Boss]

How the hell has BC made MLSE all this crazy money? He has fielded 1 decent team since his tenure here. Bosh is gone and there's no face anymore.

Someone actually tell me WHAT IS HE DOING to give them profits now? Because I can't see it at all.

[fredericklove]

The remaining BC apologists on this board should feel ashamed. Even I was once a BC nutgrabber, but gone on full firebc mode. I've even change my fantasy team's name to #FireBC Movement. F Brian. He is sinking this ship and we have to sink with him, this blows cow man.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

BC will probably need to make a miraculous trade soon

[fredericklove]

The remaining BC apologists on this board should feel ashamed. Even I was once a BC nutgrabber, but gone on full firebc mode. I've even change my fantasy team's name to #FireBC Movement. F Brian. He is sinking this ship and we have to sink with him, this blows cow man.

[Pusha-T]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

You might wanna invest in a bulldozer, shoveling all that sht must get mighty tiring by hand.

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

[West Rouge]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

You might wanna invest in a bulldozer, shoveling all that sht must get mighty tiring by hand.

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

So you are saying we should just embrace BC's losing formula?? Do you have proof it will be worse without him. Because quite frankly I don't see the same value you do.

If we are that hopeless lets just pay a student minimum wage. For the millions he makes to put a product on the court. He has not earned his keep. I cannot say whether then next guy can do better or worse. Odds are they cant do much worse.

[whysoserious]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

Have a perfect track record? That's putting it mildly. The guy is almost the complete opposite since joining Toronto.

Yes, we don't have stars and we're not a prime destination. That doesn't mean you can't build a good team. Detroit it not a prime destination, they built a winner and eventually got guys to want to join that team. Build a winner or a team that looks like it can win, and players will come.

As for the different country and take years, we've been in the league 18 years. This would make sense in the early years, not so much now. Do players still have misconceptions of Toronto or crossing the border and taxes and finances playing in Canada? Sure, but it doesn't stop guys from coming if you have a winning organization that players want to be a part of.

BC has been here 7 years, when has he shaken things up. It's been almost 5 years since we were even .500 team and some of you actually believe he was in full on rebuild because he said he was but his moves just don't line up with a guy that was trying to rebuild. Now he's in job saving mode and this could set us back even further.

[whysoserious]

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

We could absolutely fire BC and hire someone that's even worse. That's not a reason though to stick with what has been a poor performance of building a team for 7 years in Toronto.

[West Rouge]

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

We could absolutely fire BC and hire someone that's even worse. That's not a reason though to stick with what has been a poor performance of building a team for 7 years in Toronto.

We could also hire someone better. Odds are greater that they will improve us

[Raps in 4]

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

We've been in the league for 16 years, how long does this process take?

[Raps in 4]

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

We could absolutely fire BC and hire someone that's even worse. That's not a reason though to stick with what has been a poor performance of building a team for 7 years in Toronto.

We could also hire someone better. Odds are greater that they will improve us

What a terrible argument. "Let's stick with this idiot, because the next guy could be even worse."

The apologists are getting desperate.

[whysoserious]

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

We could absolutely fire BC and hire someone that's even worse. That's not a reason though to stick with what has been a poor performance of building a team for 7 years in Toronto.

We could also hire someone better. Odds are greater that they will improve us

Absolutely, but my point is the replacement doesn't matter. Even if he turns out worse it doesn't matter. At this point in 7 years, BC has proven to not be up to the job here. He could very well get another job somewhere in the league and regain his magic. But in Toronto, he has FAILED! That shouldn't even be a question at this point.

[toast]

I would take a middle of the road approach. I do think that he needs to be fired, or more realistically just allowed to walk at the end of his contract this year. The board can block any deals that it feels are quick fix sell the youth to save his job type deals, so I am not worried about that.

The truth is that the next step cannot be taken with him at the helm.

That said I think that he will have left a decent part of a foundation for the next GM to take that step. Yes he has made mistakes that have been discussed ad noseaum in this thread. Yet he does leave Valacunias, DD, Lowry, and (though many will disagree) Ross as very good foundation pieces. He also has Bargnani, Davis and Johnson as good solid role or trading pieces.

He has been horrendous at contract sighing but has been decent/ good at drafting and decent at low level trading.