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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#501 » by RapsFanInOhio » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:15 pm

Dalek wrote:I was thinking about the Knicks trade and how Toronto appears to value players who contribute now and have some upside.

Utah is in a similar position to Toronto record wise and has a lot of players who could fit well in Toronto. Outgoing would be Siakam and Trent Jr. both players Utah has discussed in the past.

John Collins - $25m depressed asset but one who can still shoot (37% from three) and rebound (13% rebound rate). Low defensive impact but could be a small ball C to spread the floor.

Kelly Olynyk - Just a good player to have on the bench who can spell Poeltl when he gets into foul trouble. Only a one year deal, so we could think about a future contract if he works out.

THT - Toronto has always been interested in him and Utah barely uses him. To me he can be excellent creating his own offense and could be a nice bench piece. He is still only 23 but his contract expires this year.

Ochai Agbagi - A bit underperforming as a SG, but the kid can defend and adds some toughness. Honestly, I thought Toronto had a lot of interest in him before during his draft cycle and the year's before, but it never worked out.

Pieces wise, sure, but I don’t know why Utah would want Siakam at this point other than just to add a good player. Siakam doesn’t push them into contention and they’re rebuilding, so I don’t see the fit.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#502 » by 720 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:17 pm

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Yeezus_ wrote:But the team with his bird rights can give him more over the 4 years. So he can wait it out if that's what he prefers but he'll be losing out on dollars.

Isn’t it in the 200 million range either way (194 million with incentives/ cap increase adjustments)?

I don’t think a few million will throw his decision off when we’re talking about almost 50 million a season either way.

Yeah I'm no cap expert so I don't know the exact difference in dollars that a team with bird rights vs FA will end up being.

I’m pretty sure (could be wrong) that a team like the sixers who have a lot of cap space coming up can offer him a max contract next offseason (4 years 196 million). Our advantage is that we can offer him 5 years instead of 4, which we haven’t shown to be willing to do (or else he would have signed it already).
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#503 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:26 pm

This is only if Dallas is still interested in Capela else I dont see them giving up that depth to maybe get marginally better.
Toronto does it to get JJ. ATL gets best player in deal in PS plus Grant, Josh and DW and improve the depth around Tray .. still doubtful they give up JJ but I just focused on teams trying to make deals

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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#504 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:30 pm

720 wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:
720 wrote:Isn’t it in the 200 million range either way (194 million with incentives/ cap increase adjustments)?

I don’t think a few million will throw his decision off when we’re talking about almost 50 million a season either way.

Yeah I'm no cap expert so I don't know the exact difference in dollars that a team with bird rights vs FA will end up being.

I’m pretty sure (could be wrong) that a team like the sixers who have a lot of cap space coming up can offer him a max contract next offseason (4 years 196 million). Our advantage is that we can offer him 5 years instead of 4, which we haven’t shown to be willing to do (or else he would have signed it already).


If I'm the Sixers I try to get him now to make sure he resigns there. Doesn't matter if he's over paid in years 3-5. Pay him and Harris and all the tax money on the world and put out Embiid, Harris, Siakam and Maxey as your starting lineup for next 5 years. Even with Harris and Siakam regressing, they'll still be championship material, if anything cause of all the length beside Maxey and Embiid
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#505 » by 720 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:36 pm

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Yeezus_ wrote:Yeah I'm no cap expert so I don't know the exact difference in dollars that a team with bird rights vs FA will end up being.

I’m pretty sure (could be wrong) that a team like the sixers who have a lot of cap space coming up can offer him a max contract next offseason (4 years 196 million). Our advantage is that we can offer him 5 years instead of 4, which we haven’t shown to be willing to do (or else he would have signed it already).


If I'm the Sixers I try to get him now to make sure he resigns there. Doesn't matter if he's over paid in years 3-5. Pay him and Harris and all the tax money on the world and put out Embiid, Harris, Siakam and Maxey as your starting lineup for next 5 years. Even with Harris and Siakam regressing, they'll still be championship material, if anything cause of all the length beside Maxey and Embiid

The sixers have already indicated that they’re not trading for Siakam, they can outright sign him this upcoming off season without having to give up assets in a trade.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#506 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:36 pm

720 wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:
720 wrote:Isn’t it in the 200 million range either way (194 million with incentives/ cap increase adjustments)?

I don’t think a few million will throw his decision off when we’re talking about almost 50 million a season either way.

Yeah I'm no cap expert so I don't know the exact difference in dollars that a team with bird rights vs FA will end up being.

I’m pretty sure (could be wrong) that a team like the sixers who have a lot of cap space coming up can offer him a max contract next offseason (4 years 196 million). Our advantage is that we can offer him 5 years instead of 4, which we haven’t shown to be willing to do (or else he would have signed it already).


Small difference in raises as well. Maximum of 8% here vs 5% with another team. Works out to around $7M over the 4 years.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#507 » by Dalek » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:41 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:
Dalek wrote:I was thinking about the Knicks trade and how Toronto appears to value players who contribute now and have some upside.

Utah is in a similar position to Toronto record wise and has a lot of players who could fit well in Toronto. Outgoing would be Siakam and Trent Jr. both players Utah has discussed in the past.

John Collins - $25m depressed asset but one who can still shoot (37% from three) and rebound (13% rebound rate). Low defensive impact but could be a small ball C to spread the floor.

Kelly Olynyk - Just a good player to have on the bench who can spell Poeltl when he gets into foul trouble. Only a one year deal, so we could think about a future contract if he works out.

THT - Toronto has always been interested in him and Utah barely uses him. To me he can be excellent creating his own offense and could be a nice bench piece. He is still only 23 but his contract expires this year.

Ochai Agbagi - A bit underperforming as a SG, but the kid can defend and adds some toughness. Honestly, I thought Toronto had a lot of interest in him before during his draft cycle and the year's before, but it never worked out.

Pieces wise, sure, but I don’t know why Utah would want Siakam at this point other than just to add a good player. Siakam doesn’t push them into contention and they’re rebuilding, so I don’t see the fit.


I think the Jazz are like 10-4 recently and they have always struck as a team that wants to compete. Siakam and Trent Jr. makes them at least a play-in team or higher. They have money to re-sign those 2.

Toronto fills out its bench and gets a couple nice prospects. To me it would be win-win.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#508 » by redraptor77 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:47 pm

Dalek wrote:
RapsFanInOhio wrote:
Dalek wrote:I was thinking about the Knicks trade and how Toronto appears to value players who contribute now and have some upside.

Utah is in a similar position to Toronto record wise and has a lot of players who could fit well in Toronto. Outgoing would be Siakam and Trent Jr. both players Utah has discussed in the past.

John Collins - $25m depressed asset but one who can still shoot (37% from three) and rebound (13% rebound rate). Low defensive impact but could be a small ball C to spread the floor.

Kelly Olynyk - Just a good player to have on the bench who can spell Poeltl when he gets into foul trouble. Only a one year deal, so we could think about a future contract if he works out.

THT - Toronto has always been interested in him and Utah barely uses him. To me he can be excellent creating his own offense and could be a nice bench piece. He is still only 23 but his contract expires this year.

Ochai Agbagi - A bit underperforming as a SG, but the kid can defend and adds some toughness. Honestly, I thought Toronto had a lot of interest in him before during his draft cycle and the year's before, but it never worked out.

Pieces wise, sure, but I don’t know why Utah would want Siakam at this point other than just to add a good player. Siakam doesn’t push them into contention and they’re rebuilding, so I don’t see the fit.


I think the Jazz are like 10-4 recently and they have always struck as a team that wants to compete. Siakam and Trent Jr. makes them at least a play-in team or higher. They have money to re-sign those 2.

Toronto fills out its bench and gets a couple nice prospects. To me it would be win-win.


I don’t see the fit. Unless you expect Markkanen to play C. That’s a lot of salary on Collins. He doesn’t really fit Toronto either.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#509 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:48 pm

Dalek wrote:
RapsFanInOhio wrote:
Dalek wrote:I was thinking about the Knicks trade and how Toronto appears to value players who contribute now and have some upside.

Utah is in a similar position to Toronto record wise and has a lot of players who could fit well in Toronto. Outgoing would be Siakam and Trent Jr. both players Utah has discussed in the past.

John Collins - $25m depressed asset but one who can still shoot (37% from three) and rebound (13% rebound rate). Low defensive impact but could be a small ball C to spread the floor.

Kelly Olynyk - Just a good player to have on the bench who can spell Poeltl when he gets into foul trouble. Only a one year deal, so we could think about a future contract if he works out.

THT - Toronto has always been interested in him and Utah barely uses him. To me he can be excellent creating his own offense and could be a nice bench piece. He is still only 23 but his contract expires this year.

Ochai Agbagi - A bit underperforming as a SG, but the kid can defend and adds some toughness. Honestly, I thought Toronto had a lot of interest in him before during his draft cycle and the year's before, but it never worked out.

Pieces wise, sure, but I don’t know why Utah would want Siakam at this point other than just to add a good player. Siakam doesn’t push them into contention and they’re rebuilding, so I don’t see the fit.


I think the Jazz are like 10-4 recently and they have always struck as a team that wants to compete. Siakam and Trent Jr. makes them at least a play-in team or higher. They have money to re-sign those 2.

Toronto fills out its bench and gets a couple nice prospects. To me it would be win-win.


Where's the win for us? lol

We take back Collins who stinks + average assets at best and give them Pascal and Trent Jr?

There's better deals out there... this has no upside for us. pass
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#510 » by NinjaBro » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:51 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:
Hottie McShotty wrote:Kuminga has to be coming the other way if we trade Siakim.

What about Klay Thompson, Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody and 2nd round draft pick(s) for Pascal Siakam, Otto Porter Jr. and Thaddeus Young? Works on the NBA trade tracker.


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No deal.
I don’t want Siakim that much.
I think Porter has declined from the guy Warriors had in 2022 so Porter does not help much.

Because Draymond and Siakim are both power forwards I don’t think Siakim is a good fit with the Warriors.

But I do want Dejounte Murray.
Hawks do want Siskim if his contract is extended.
Hawks don’t think Siakim wants the Hawks.

Both Hawks and Raptors say they want players not draft picks because they both claim that they are too good to be rebuilding teams. I want the Warriors to win a champion now because I think the Warriors will be too old to win championships after this season.

If the Warriors lose Klay or if Klay does not play well the Warriors are not winning a championship even with Siakim or Dejounte Murray added to the team.

In my opinion Kuminga has a 50% chance of being as good as Siskin is now in 2 years.

So my trade checker approved trade:

Too the Raptors
Kuminga
2 Warriors 1st round picks
2 Hawks 2nd round picks
Chris Paul’s expiring contract
Patty Mills filler contract. You can cut him.

To the Hawks
Extended Siakim
Moses Moody (to replace Murray)

To the Warriors
DeJounte Murray
Otto Porter
Porter may not play for the Warriors but somebody has to replace Kuminga. Warriors can turn to Porter Wiggins Garuba or Trayce Jackson Davis to replace Kuminga.
This trade is laughable. You just saw what OG Anunoby fetched for the raptors right, and how much OG is thriving and making the Knicks unstoppable. Pascal is a far better and impactful player than OG. In what world is Kumiga being a centerpiece for a Siakam trade even realistic?
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#511 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:10 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:This is only if Dallas is still interested in Capela else I dont see them giving up that depth to maybe get marginally better.
Toronto does it to get JJ. ATL gets PS, Grant, Josh and DW and improve the depth around Tray .. still doubtful they give up JJ but I just focused on teams trying to make deals

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I like any deal that lands us Johnson. I am very, very high on him.

That said, I think the Hawks balk.

The Hawks are in an very interesting position. They don't want to move the players they need to move in order to take the next step forward and the players they want to move aren't going to give them much in return.

Capela - I think he has value. If we were to obtain him in any kind of trade, I would immediately look at the Pelicans, Knicks or Thunder. All of these teams need a C and Capela is a on a relatively short term deal. Personally, I think he's a positive value contract, all thing considered and could probably net some reasonable assets

Hunter - Hard to peg his value. Being a 6'8 SF shooter alone probably makes him worth that contract but he hasn't improved much and is often injured. Replacing him won't be easy as wing shooters come at a premium but if the Hawks are going to make a sizeable upgrade, either him or Capela has to go.

Murray - Great player. I've always liked him a lot so perhaps I'm biased but most times he's the best and most consistent player on the team. I think the reason Trae-Dejounte pairing hasn't worked as well as they hoped is because Trae can't play off the ball but Murray is young and locked into a very reasonable extension. Hawks dealt 3 firsts for him and unless you're getting Bridges in return for Murray, I don't think you're going to get a better player than Murray (and IMO, even that is debatable).

Bogdanovic- He's a little older but remarkably consistent. The fact that he's getting about as much as Gary Trent is insane and I think it's between him and Markkanen for the best contracts in the NBA. Without him, they're really lacking some punch on the bench, which and good team needs. He's locked into a 4 year deal as well. I would add him to the list of "must-includes" (from a salary perspective) in the case of a major upgrade

Okongwu - Decent C. I know some are crazy about him but I've never gotten the hype. Partially because I prefer my Cs to be at least 6'9-6'10 and can shoot and he is neither of those. Still, he's locked into a very fair long term extension and can fill in for Capela (should he be moved) or be traded himself.

Bey- Versatile forward, decent shooter on a team that's lacking a bit at the SF/PF position. They'd do well to resign him at reasonable cost.

Everyone else is salary filler expirings, young guys who aren't getting burn or Jalen Johnson/Trae Young. The Hawks own their first this year, which they can't trade and the Kings 2024 first.

So I'm not sure what they're doing. Something's got to give. They can't expect to upgrade for trash. If they still want to compete, the easiest way is to try and turn Capela and maybe Bogdanovic into some SF, PF and C depth but that's a lot easier said than done. They'd also need a guard sparkplug player off the bench to replace Bogs. I'm not sure that Capela and Bogs buys you both without some value added.
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Post#512 » by Reeko » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:16 pm

These goofy Kings tried to offer us Harrison Barnes for Pascal. Ridiculous.
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Post#513 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:21 pm

I'm sure this was shared but I didn't see it so I'll post it anyway:

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Sounds to me like the Raptors are basically waiting for one of these rumoured teams to give in and include the young player Toronto wants (e.g., Keegan, Johnson, etc.).
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Post#514 » by agkagk » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:22 pm

Reeko wrote:These goofy Kings tried to offer us Harrison Barnes for Pascal. Ridiculous.



Keegan is overrated as eff


I was watching the kings telecast and their commetators celebrated the fact that it was first time all season Keegan had TWO dunks in a game.

He seems incredibly one dimensional.
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Post#515 » by douggood » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:22 pm

1 month till deadline
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Post#516 » by TRik » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:27 pm

douggood wrote:30 days till deadline


Can’t come fast enough. So over waiting for something to get done with Pascal. Feels like this has been going on for two years almost.
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Post#517 » by niQ » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:31 pm

TRik wrote:
douggood wrote:30 days till deadline


Can’t come fast enough. So over waiting for something to get done with Pascal. Feels like this has been going on for two years almost.


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Post#518 » by NinjaBro » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:37 pm

TRik wrote:
douggood wrote:30 days till deadline


Can’t come fast enough. So over waiting for something to get done with Pascal. Feels like this has been going on for two years almost.
What's the hurry. Masai just proved that patience is a virtue by seeing what we got for OG. Couldn't have worked out better. Frankly I'm not too enamored with the trade packages that I'm seeing. Unless I'm seeing Keegan plus drafts picks I'm ain't interested. I'm in no hurry to trade Pascal for gleague players and bad picks from the celtics etc.

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Post#519 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:38 pm

It looks like the Raptors may be satisfied with role players if they’re actually entertaining offers for Mitchell, Huerter and Barnes. I can see the logic behind that if they think Barnes, Quickley and Barrett is a solid core. They need to really trust that those 3 will become good.

Mitchell and Barnes will give you defence, though Mitchell is a very poor shooter
Huerter replaces GTJ for you if he leaves, and gives you an opportunity to use him to trade for a backup big.

Clearly Masai thinks that’s not enough, but it may not be far off. I don’t know if we’re getting anyone in that Keegan Murray, Mathurin type of return.
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Post#520 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:41 pm

Pascal should give us a discount. Re-sign for 35mil AAV.

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