Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

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[DreamTeam09]

His agent who went to klutch is a Toronto based dude apparently.

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[DelAbbot]

I don't know, I mean he's our most talented scorer on the roster right now. Hard to say going forward if that remains but for the moment he is. So, they probably do view him as a potential foundational piece. My guess on how a contract looks is something in the low 40's and possibly mid 40's if it's on shorter deal.

Most talented scorer on the roster, but not on the court. If they were going to pay someone mid-40M who only shows up for 50-60 games a season, I'd rather have OG. I get that wasn't the choice. This seems like the very definition of a "Mid-3" core to me, but we shall see.

I think it's time to adjust our expectations. No more "play-in for what". This team with all the offensive fire power, will be fun to watch, even if it peaks at 4th seed.

[Los_29]

What makes this pretty scary is we are going to add a lottery pick to this team. If that pick hits our team is going to be very talented and deep.

[PushDaRock]

I don't know, I mean he's our most talented scorer on the roster right now. Hard to say going forward if that remains but for the moment he is. So, they probably do view him as a potential foundational piece. My guess on how a contract looks is something in the low 40's and possibly mid 40's if it's on shorter deal.

Most talented scorer on the roster, but not on the court. If they were going to pay someone mid-40M who only shows up for 50-60 games a season, I'd rather have OG. I get that wasn't the choice. This seems like the very definition of a "Mid-3" core to me, but we shall see.

Yeah, it's a beggars can't be choosers situation. The price would have been higher if it didn't come with question marks.

Not sure that mid-3 core would be the accurate description, since we aren't really a top heavy roster, it's more of a strength in numbers approach.

[NBA Sheady]

I don't hate this. We got rid of the two vets who were hurting the tank for a player who is currently out.

[johanliebert]

How’d i know you fake execs wouldn’t be receptive to this trade. Be positive.

[SFour]

Just found out that Ingram is with Klutch sports.....not good news. He's not taking any discounts that's for sure.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I don't view Ingram as capable of winning high level games but:

#1 He can fit around Scottie short-term and provide some stability for the development of other players as he shores up some team weaknesses

#2 Raps got him rather cheap and can attempt to rebuild his marketplace value in order to move him for better assets.

[hyper316]

This is pretty much a no lose trade. Or ...there's little they can lose.

They get Brown and Olynyk off the roster now, and get back to playing rookies and losing.

Ingram misses the bulk of the games this season and they tank.

No other team competing wanted Ingram because he's hurt. They give up a late first in two years for Brandon Ingram, who will be at best the 3rd option on this team by 2026. They could park him in the corner to just shoot threes and he has more value than what they gave up.

The guy is oft-injured. For that price, do they care the next 2-3 years, when they just play rookies, next man up? Or if he's around a short playoff run and misses 20 games....does that really matter that much? That's' why he's so **** cheap. Because he's injured right now and of no use to competing teams. Raptors aren't using that cap space on free agents so this is just punting the tradability of Brown down the road.

Even if they don't sign him, they literally could get more than they just gave up by signing and trading him away in the summer, although that's unlikely.

And what do they give up for not trading Brown and Olynyk elsewhere? Taking on worse players, that might actually play now and take minutes away, and some 2nd round picks down the road? Yeah... this is a pretty difficult reach for anyone to say they ever lose this trade badly, beyond some fluke career ending injury. Which I'm sure some of you might quietly hope for.

Good take, Brown and Kelly had no value, Indy pick not a great piece, a good buy-low on BI.

I'm just afraid what Raptors will re-sign BI for. Would BI be a plus-value on a long-term deal or a 1+1?

[johanliebert]

I don't care about the players we gave up. I think the most valuable asset we gave up was the Indy 1st. People are using weird excuses like "omg, you think the Indy pick will turn out to be better than Ingram? That's dumb!".

I care about young, controllable rookie contracts. I am very risk seeking. I prefer a long shot in the lottery than an established player when we are a lotto bound team. Had we been a contender (e.g., when we traded for Leonard), I would not be concerned about trading away a pick. But we have a horrible record. We have no business giving up picks.

Anyway, I hope Ingram stays healthy with us. Knowing our luck Siakim and Halli are going to go down with season ending injuries early next season and NO will get a great pick (which they will mess up, but Masai wouldn't have...).

Go run your own team then.

[PushDaRock]

What’s buy low though? We have to pay him this offseason and by all accounts he was looking for big money which is why NOP had trouble trading him. We aren’t exactly a team known for getting players on discount contracts.

Buying low on the talent, I am not thinking we get him on a bargain deal. I am expecting low 40's on a longer deal and mid possibly even high 40's on a shorter one.

So we’ll probably have to overpay him. Excellent “asset accumulation” strategy we’ve employed here.

They're obviously hoping he plays well enough to earn the deal and ideally outperform it. If he does that, he is an asset.

[brownbobcat]

I don't know, I mean he's our most talented scorer on the roster right now. Hard to say going forward if that remains but for the moment he is. So, they probably do view him as a potential foundational piece. My guess on how a contract looks is something in the low 40's and possibly mid 40's if it's on shorter deal.

Most talented scorer on the roster, but not on the court. If they were going to pay someone mid-40M who only shows up for 50-60 games a season, I'd rather have OG. I get that wasn't the choice. This seems like the very definition of a "Mid-3" core to me, but we shall see.

I think it's time to adjust our expectations. No more "play-in for what". This team with all the offensive fire power, will be fun to watch, even if it peaks at 4th seed.

A team that can't shoot is never going to be an offensive powerhouse just because they land Ingram. Hopefully it can be competitive next year but now I just want them to sit IQ and BI until they're fully healthy.

[TheRaptor!]

What makes this pretty scary is we are going to add a lottery pick to this team. If that pick hits our team is going to be very talented and deep.

The draft is rigged

We'll see if the NBA wants us to be relevant or not.

[sidsid]

Thinking of Paul F. Tompkins' Alimony Tony character. But Masai with expiring contracts.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Yo I gotta say that boy Robert Pelinka goin' HAM down in LA, that Laker team is stacked

It's like when Masai acquired Kawhi, and followed it up with getting Marcus Gasol, dude is doing similar work

[douggood]

What makes this pretty scary is we are going to add a lottery pick to this team. If that pick hits our team is going to be very talented and deep.

The draft is rigged

We'll see if the NBA wants us to be relevant or not.

not rigged

[rapsincr]

that indy pick given what type of team they are right now and very likely will be next year is mid teens to early 20s. IF WE ARE LUCKY that player is a starter in 4 to 5 years, and more likely than not doesnt ever come close to what ingram is, and thats fairly close to best case scenario. i get that its a risk but its a risk that has to be taken imo. clearly alot depends on where we end up picking this year but this is a very solid gamble.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Ingram is a problem when healthy. Very kawhi-esque move masai. Didnt even really give up anything of crazy value either.

It's a great trade

Ya people are bugging. We made it work with kawhi, Alex will get Ingram right. It’s super buy-low. I just wish it was 2 seconds instead of IND 1st, but I guess it wouldn’t work.

[Johnny Bball]

This is pretty much a no lose trade. Or ...there's little they can lose.

They get Brown and Olynyk off the roster now, and get back to playing rookies and losing.

Ingram misses the bulk of the games this season and they tank.

No other team competing wanted Ingram because he's hurt. They give up a late first in two years for Brandon Ingram, who will be at best the 3rd option on this team by 2026. They could park him in the corner to just shoot threes and he has more value than what they gave up.

The guy is oft-injured. For that price, do they care the next 2-3 years, when they just play rookies, next man up? Or if he's around a short playoff run and misses 20 games....does that really matter that much? That's' why he's so **** cheap. Because he's injured right now and of no use to competing teams. Raptors aren't using that cap space on free agents so this is just punting the tradability of Brown down the road.

Even if they don't sign him, they literally could get more than they just gave up by signing and trading him away in the summer, although that's unlikely.

And what do they give up for not trading Brown and Olynyk elsewhere? Taking on worse players, that might actually play now and take minutes away, and some 2nd round picks down the road? Yeah... this is a pretty difficult reach for anyone to say they ever lose this trade badly, beyond some fluke career ending injury. Which I'm sure some of you might quietly hope for.

Good take, Brown and Kelly had no value, Indy pick not a great piece, a good buy-low on BI.

I'm just afraid what Raptors will re-sign BI for. Would BI be a plus-value on a long-term deal or a 1+1?

They likely do re-sign him and he probably gets 40-45 a year. What I would hope, is that with his injury history they work in two option years and partial guarantees for 4th and 5th year so that contract might have leverage coming up in three years and be able to be used simply to facilitate.

We weren't using that cap space otherwise and had no mechanism to use it. They could use it on 5th-8th bench type players for the MLE. It may hamper next years use of the non-taxpayer MLE is the only problem. But I think Ingram is better than using 2 MLE's.