Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Boogie!]

Why can't Scottie and Giannis work?

The better question is why do people even want this to work?

[tanuki1031]

As much as I like Barnes, any time your reaction to a looming revenge game from a potentially traded player is "Great! Fantastic!!" that's all you need to full send.

[LoveMyRaps]

Scottie is the last guy I'd trade for Giannis.

[Madvillainy2004]

Why can't Scottie and Giannis work?

The better question is why do people even want this to work?

Yeah there's no scenario where I'd want to keep scottie if we could get giannis. When you get a top 15 player of all time you move heaven and earth to make things work for them

[Madvillainy2004]

Scottie is the last guy I'd trade for Giannis.

He'd be the first guy of realistic trade options lol

[Scase]

Why can't Scottie and Giannis work?

I'd say lack of shooting and operating in the same space, clogs up the paint a bunch especially with RJ/BI/Jak all operating in similar ranges.

I figured Poeltl is gone in this instance and Giannis operates at the 5. Stranger things have happened.

But yes, Scottie really has to improve his 3 and soon.

Realistically it doesn't matter, because there's pretty much no trade if Scottie isn't on his way out, both his contract size and the value of the player are pretty much guarantees to be the core part of the trade. But even still, like tsherkin said, Scottie would suck as a 5 as he probably has no clue how to play it and IMO, is too small, and Giannis doesn't want to play the 5.

[NinjaBro]

Scottie is the last guy I'd trade for Giannis.

We found Pensare's burner account!

[Clutch0z24]

Scottie is the last guy I'd trade for Giannis.

What do you think the Bucks will want from us?....RJ?....Gradey?.....9th unproven mystery box draft pick?....Injury Prone Ingram?.....I mean ....

This is a top 3 player in the world we are talking about here....Bucks do not have their own picks....They need some glimer of hope and future to look towards after trading the best player in Bucks history....Barnes + 9th + RJ or Dick will be just the deal starter to keep the Bucks on the phone....Expect to be giving up alot if a deal goes through...This is not some miracle Kawhi deal here....

[ForeverTFC]

Going after Giannis would gut the team, and not leave them with enough to be a contender after

Feels like there have been plenty of proposals here that are realistic - please explain what you mean.

Ingram Giannis and Quickley is not a contender. And keeping Scottie means horrible spacing.

Haliburton, Siakam and Turner are in the Finals...

[brownbobcat]

Why can't Scottie and Giannis work?

The better question is why do people even want this to work?

I don't think it works on the court but Barnes is still the best talent on this team - for that reason alone, I'm in favour of virtually any trade where they keep both.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[tdotrep2]

Scottie realistically beats other teams packages in the east. If Giannis only wants the east than we have a good shot. But if he's open to okc/spurs/rockets we are toast.

[LoveMyRaps]

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[JB7]

I’m sure Jon Horst also realizes the value of future picks too.

Hard to say for sure without knowing the other deals on the table, but I find it hard to imagine trading your franchise centrepiece/multiple time MVP without getting all tradeable firsts back from the other team (assuming you’re not Nico Harrison )

Getting FRPs from a team that is going to end up being one of the top teams in the league because of Giannis, means those FRPs have less value. Combined with the fact that the Bucks don't control their own picks, they are better off with a package of Barnes (4th pick), Gradey (13th pick), Ochai (14th pick) and the 2025 9th pick, which can all help the Bucks get back into development mode much quicker, than waiting on FRPs way out into the future that will probably be nowhere near the lottery.

Masai values holding onto the teams own picks, because if a season goes off the rails, they can easily pivot to tanking to get a higher pick. Better to have the control over your own pick, then hoping for another team to fall apart if you have their pick (and they have no incentive to tank).

I mean it’s clear why Masai would want to hold on to future firsts, but the same reason he’d want to hold on to them the same reason the Bucks would want them. You never know where a team will be in 5-6 years from now, having their unprotected firsts is a good gamble to make.

They also give you way more tradable assets, which is valuable for a team like the Bucks with no picks and very little talent. If Scottie/Ochai/Dick is the base package, I don’t see a reason to settle for only one first when you could get unprotected picks/swaps for the next 5 years and still have it be a fair deal.

The Raps only have to beat the next best offer, and if they are offering up young talent like Barnes, Gradey and Ochai, plus the 9th pick, that right there can rebuild 4/5's of the Bucks starting lineup. I think Masai has proven in past deals, trading away all future control of their draft picks is not something he likes to do.

And it just might lineup nicely with the Bucks current situation, where they probably want young players over future draft picks, since they have no incentive to suck right now.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://torontosun.com/sports/basketball/nba/toronto-raptors/antetokounmpo-breaking-down-likelihood

[LoveMyRaps]

Scottie is the last guy I'd trade for Giannis.

We found Pensare's burner account!

Was a lil comprehension test.

It's pretty simple: everyone is on the table for Giannis, but Scottie is the last guy I'd want to trade.

I hope we can build a package that doesn't include Scottie.

Didn't say I wouldn't trade Scottie for Giannis

[JB7]

Spacing issues, but they can work imo as long as one of them can play the 5. Poetl-Giannis-Scottie imo not nearly enough spacing.

Just hard to imagine that you can get Giannis without giving up Barnes. Mind you, we all figured Pascal and/or OG would have to go in a Kawhi trade, and that didn't happen, so who knows.

Yeah we not getting Giannis without Barnes....Bucks will want Barnes to build around in that scenario along with the #9th pick and prolly RJ or Gradey along with all the picks we can offer...This is not the Kawhi situation where Kawhi was injured on his walk year....Bucks are going to get a bag for Giannis in this deal to who ever they trade him to...

I'm more than fine dealing Barnes. And quite honestly, I don't even think Barnes/Giannis would work all that well or I should say it wouldn't be Giannis' fully optimal lineup offensively.


Giannis wants to be the sole downhill initiator from his end of season comments. He would have BI and IQ on the side and we would need another 3 and D guy

They had RJ playing the right way when he first came to the Raps, focusing on open 3's and just slashing to the basket. That went out the window last year with sitting so many players. But I think that efficiency could come back in a lineup with Giannis, BI & IQ.

I think RJ is a player worth holding onto, because Giannis is going to need guys that can get a bucket in the crunch, and I would think that would be left to BI and RJ.

[OakleyDokely]

I think the Bucks would prefer young talent they can plug into their lineup right away as opposed to unknown picks 3-5 years from now. Barnes+9 is a pretty strong core structure of a deal.

[WuTang_CMB]

Yeah we not getting Giannis without Barnes....Bucks will want Barnes to build around in that scenario along with the #9th pick and prolly RJ or Gradey along with all the picks we can offer...This is not the Kawhi situation where Kawhi was injured on his walk year....Bucks are going to get a bag for Giannis in this deal to who ever they trade him to...

I'm more than fine dealing Barnes. And quite honestly, I don't even think Barnes/Giannis would work all that well or I should say it wouldn't be Giannis' fully optimal lineup offensively.


Giannis wants to be the sole downhill initiator from his end of season comments. He would have BI and IQ on the side and we would need another 3 and D guy

They had RJ playing the right way when he first came to the Raps, focusing on open 3's and just slashing to the basket. That went out the window last year with sitting so many players. But I think that efficiency could come back in a lineup with Giannis, BI & IQ.

I think RJ is a player worth holding onto, because Giannis is going to need guys that can get a bucket in the crunch, and I would think that would be left to BI and RJ.

You need defense and 3's and good free throw shooting to compliment. The defense got better but still not at the level we need. If Giannis comes, I would gladly deal RJ - if not to Bucks if they dont want him then to someone else.

[carlosey]

its going to be interesting, Giannis is not going to go to a team that the bucks completely rip its talent from the roots and it cant be competitive. He still has some say in the team he wants.