Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[ArthurVandelay]

I don't get the Heat either. They didn't want to extend a 35 year old Butler, but they want to extend a 37 year old KD.

MIA should clear their books and prep for free agency.

KD is a hooper and loves to play. If he isn’t playing, he’s legit injured.

Jimmy is a bit of a deva and sits for slightest aches and pains. The Heat questioned his commitment and desire to play a full season.

[Brinbe]

For the record, I don't think this is going to happen but just combining the rumors.

Raptors: KD + Robert Williams + Simons
Suns: Poeltl + IQ + Castleton + 11th pick
Blazers: RJ + Dick + 9th Pick

I'm not sure about all the other pieces but I would love to get Robert Williams from the Blazers assuming he's healthy now. The guy is an absolute physical beast.

yeah, the staying heathy part is the big problem though

[WuTang_CMB]

Idk i think we may be putting that offer for KD atm and the Suns are using our offer to up the offers from the Rockets/Spurs....I think both Rockets/Spurs are not upping their offers....So it is possible that they could just end up accepting our offer if it stays on the table....I think its a waiting game atm and Suns are waiting for a team in pursuit to throw their best offers out....Which is obviously not happening right now...

By the report that we are willing to put any combo of the 3 players + 9th....RJ i feel will be used to get a C if the deal goes down...

You can't include 9 for that. PHX would hit a home run with that deal. TOR has the better players out of anyone being offered right now - if it is IQ and Poeltl. Masai wants to get the KD done without 9

then wait and see on 9 and use it with RJ to move back and pick up an asset

Sorry Yak and IQ alone won't get a deal done or close to done....Minny can offer Gobert....9th pick would have to be added for a realistic trade to be accepted by the Suns POV....Or they would just trade him to Minny for Gobert....But i get why people think it would be an over pay but gotta also look at the Suns POV and what they are obviously wanting in this trade....I doubt Yak/IQ would be enough for them.

IQ, Yak and 9 is too much. It's gotta be a 3 teamer so they get it sweetened

[Scase]

Lol ishbia is bad at this PR game

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[Clutch0z24]

You can't include 9 for that. PHX would hit a home run with that deal. TOR has the better players out of anyone being offered right now - if it is IQ and Poeltl. Masai wants to get the KD done without 9

then wait and see on 9 and use it with RJ to move back and pick up an asset

Sorry Yak and IQ alone won't get a deal done or close to done....Minny can offer Gobert....9th pick would have to be added for a realistic trade to be accepted by the Suns POV....Or they would just trade him to Minny for Gobert....But i get why people think it would be an over pay but gotta also look at the Suns POV and what they are obviously wanting in this trade....I doubt Yak/IQ would be enough for them.

IQ, Yak and 9 is too much. It's gotta be a 3 teamer so they get it sweetened

Yeah might....I just don't see Suns accepting our deal if 9th is not included...Yak is expiring soon and needs a new deal, IQ has not played up to that contract he has so far....I see the 9th being our most valuable asset which is what the Suns most likely see as our most valuable asset as well.

But we will see how it plays out....

[sidsid]

The 9th pick situation is the annoying part to add to KD which is why the trade down option feels better in terms of value.

If the Hawks wanna do 13 and 22 for 9, you've got 13 for Phoenix and you take a cheaper pick at 22 for yourself.

[WuTang_CMB]

Sorry Yak and IQ alone won't get a deal done or close to done....Minny can offer Gobert....9th pick would have to be added for a realistic trade to be accepted by the Suns POV....Or they would just trade him to Minny for Gobert....But i get why people think it would be an over pay but gotta also look at the Suns POV and what they are obviously wanting in this trade....I doubt Yak/IQ would be enough for them.

IQ, Yak and 9 is too much. It's gotta be a 3 teamer so they get it sweetened

Yeah might....I just don't see Suns accepting our deal if 9th is not included...Yak is expiring soon and needs a new deal, IQ has not played up to that contract he has so far....I see the 9th being our most valuable asset which is what the Suns most likely see as our most valuable asset as well.

But we will see how it plays out....

Unless u swing in POR here and we get 11 and PHX gets 9

I can understand it if KD had term but for one year its tough

having said that it seems this team doesn't give a shyt about 9 and would rather pick later on

[Clutch0z24]

The 9th pick situation is the annoying part to add to KD which is why the trade down option feels better in terms of value.

If the Hawks wanna do 13 and 22 for 9, you've got 13 for Phoenix and you take a cheaper pick at 22 for yourself.

I think the Hawks rumor of trading to 9th was if Maluach would be there....And it sounds like he most likely won't be there...Mal prolly has a draft promise before 9th which is why we are shopping the pick around.

[WuTang_CMB]

these guys r gonna lose

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[WiggOuts]

the raptors need to start stamping these rumors out, stop allowing teams to use your name in negotiations when they may just be blatant lies. Sack up!

As long as the team is communicating with the players themselves, why should they? In the end, the stronger team is becoming weaker to become more beatable.

Thats a good thing unless youre worried about the weaker team becoming weaker, which should only matter if you're planning to tank.

because theyre being used in a way that has no benefit to themselves. if anything theyre forced to do damage control for no reason. at the very least they can challenge the credibility of the source and publicly say they are making stuff up, after all what are those guys worth if their credibility is gone.

itll keep happening if you do nothing to stop it

[WuTang_CMB]

No trades are going to happen until draft night

Raps may have a top 6 that they like and it may look different then consensus

u have to wait and see what happens and who falls to 9 before making a deal

[DreamTeam09]

Wait, that's a heavy top 5. - why wouldn't KD wanna go there,

Ant
McDaniels
KD
Randle
Naz

Trade Randle and keep NAW

[LoveMyRaps]

[sidsid]

IQ, Yak and 9 is too much. It's gotta be a 3 teamer so they get it sweetened

Yeah might....I just don't see Suns accepting our deal if 9th is not included...Yak is expiring soon and needs a new deal, IQ has not played up to that contract he has so far....I see the 9th being our most valuable asset which is what the Suns most likely see as our most valuable asset as well.

But we will see how it plays out....

Unless u swing in POR here and we get 11 and PHX gets 9

I can understand it if KD had term but for one year its tough

having said that it seems this team doesn't give a shyt about 9 and would rather pick later on

They love a Thad type trade. That's why the trade down scenarios where they recoup some value in an additional pick or player quality is being bounced around in the potential tandem KD trades.

Ita better than giving 9 straight up. It's likely the trade clincher with that aspect of it filled.

1. Center
2. Other rotation player/starter
3. Prospect (maybe Dick?)
4. Pick (trade down pick provided)

[sidsid]

Wait, that's a heavy top 5. - why wouldn't KD wanna go there,

Ant
McDaniels
KD
Randle
Naz

Trade Randle and keep NAW

He wants to play with Wemby specifically (some reports saying), and if not, he's going for the weather (Rockets/Heat).

It would be nice to not be reminded of that draft year and the decisions made all the time, but that's going to be unavoidable for at least a decade.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Quickley, Poeltl, 9 for KD
Barrett for Ayton + 11

That’s actually huge if it happens.. wow

Turning Iq, rj, Poeltl and 9th
Into
Kd, Ayton, 11

Question is, what do we do for a point guard cuz 11 isn’t good enough to grab any of the quality ones. So we only have Shead.

Also Ayton is known to have problems giving his full effort, but when he does he’s a solid 5

[mtcan]

Quickley, Poeltl, 9 for KD
Barrett for Ayton + 11

That’s actually huge if it happens.. wow

Turning Iq, rj, Poeltl and 9th
Into
Kd, Ayton, 11

Question is, what do we do for a point guard cuz 11 isn’t good enough to grab any of the quality ones. So we only have Shead.

Also Ayton is known to have problems giving his full effort, but when he does he’s a solid 5

Start Shead and draft Jakucionis or Demin with #11

[Clutch0z24]

Quickley, Poeltl, 9 for KD
Barrett for Ayton + 11

That’s actually huge if it happens.. wow

Turning Iq, rj, Poeltl and 9th
Into
Kd, Ayton, 11

Question is, what do we do for a point guard cuz 11 isn’t good enough to grab any of the quality ones. So we only have Shead.

Also Ayton is known to have problems giving his full effort, but when he does he’s a solid 5

Don't forget we will get the 29th pick from the Suns as well in the KD deal most likely....So you could have some room to make another move with 39th/29th in play....Idk how realistic it is for Blazers to trade the 11th pick in the trade for RJ....But if you can get the 11th it would be a no brainer.

[WuTang_CMB]

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I just don't know if I buy them really wanting him unless they just want to flip him at the deadline. It seems to be all rumors. II don't know that those guys have a lot of direct sources for that stuff anyway. I know they are reputable and have been around a long time, but only someone like Shams really has the connections I would trust and I think if Toronto was really in the mix, he'd say aomething. If he reports it I will buy it. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if Sidery mentions it and some of those guys like Stein, Fischer or whoever, mention "they've heard the Raptors could be in the mix"....after all Stein only has a subscriber only substack now and wants people to pay to read him.

It makes absolutely zero sense. The only rationale I can come up with that is a stretch is that they want Barnes to play in more meaningful games, don't like this draft at all, are low on Barrett and just want to dump his contract, and they feel they could flip KD for someone at the deadline when teams may want him more.

So get off Barrett, Poeltl money, use a draft pick you don't like, then flip KD for something you do like at the deadline. That makes some sense for a savvy manager.

But it's a crap deal anyway.

I definitely see why they would love to get off $27 million for Barrett a year and $20 million for Poeltl...it's like they are able to dump assets for a better asset they can deal when teams are more desperate at the deadline. Say they like Jalen Green a lot more than Barrett...and would hope to get another 1st back anyway, or they like what they hear MIami is offering so they could unload big salary they don't like and move KD for players they do like and a pick.

That is the only rationale I can think of if I'm the Raptors, which really isn't a bad rationale.

Yup.
I see Raptors potentially trading with Spurs, Rockets before deadline to get younger pieces and draft picks if KD doesn't work out for them. They know KD will sign extensions with those teams.

So Raptors being savvy and cunning clearing space trying out KD and then getting players they want before deadline if KD doesn't work out... they get their cake and eat it too situation.


Suns need not budge. Keep KD if offers are bad or extend him and he becomes more appealing trade piece.