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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#521 » by Reef » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:08 pm

TiKusDom wrote:Walker would be a terrible pick with a top 5 selection. Again does he look good against slower less athletic NCAA players? Yes, compared to his peers he is faster. That will not translate to the NBA that is run by athletic beasts. His quickness will be minimized, he looks fast now yes, but will he look as fast when hes being guarded by the likes of Rose or Rondo? They are quicker, longer, far more athletic. Imagine Kemba being posted up by the likes of a Jason Kidd ,Deron Williams, or Westbrook? How in the world do people want the Raptors to improve on defense, when they are going to select an ultra short skinny point guard with no exceptional athleticism or length, to guard NBA point guards?

I said this once and I will keep saying it, the Raptors need to avoid Kemba Walker and go with Knight if they are drafting a pointguard. Walker is a great NCAA player, but he will not be an impact NBA player. When he had the more athletic Liggins guarding him, his shot was neutralized, how is he going to fare against the super athletic NBA players guarding him every day? How is he going to guard the bigger , stronger , and quicker guards of the NBA? If the Raptors have problems with defense now, selecting walker will only make them worse. Brandon Knight has far more potential to be a two way impact player than Kemba Walker ever will. Brandon Knight has the body, IQ , work ethic, natural talent that will make him a success in the NBA. When you draft, you look at what a player can become down the line. Knight has the build to become a solid two way player in the NBA. Kemba Walker will never be a defensive presence because of his size, how does this help the Raptors in the future? Is having a defensive liability at PG for the next 5+ years what some people want? Again people are enamoured with an offensive players who puts up numbers, but yet they complain about the Raptors being terrible defenders. Selecting Kemba Walker as the pointguard of the future will not improve Raptors defense whatsoever , and the defensive woes of this team will continue.

In terms of Knight vs Walker, its Knight by a mile and a half. Knight has all the physical tools to become a solid two way player who can be a lock down defender with his length and athleticism , while being a solid distributor. He is an 18 year old freshman that led a far weaker Kentucky team than John Wall's to the final four. That is a monumental accomplishment in itself. Between Knight and Walker, if I am a GM drafting for the future, its not even close between the two. An 18 year old phenomenon versus a guy who took 3 years to establish himself in the NCAA, you take the 18 year old. That is what the draft is about, and Knight's peak is far far far higher than Walkers.


Knight's the most overrated guy. You're relying too much on his potential and not paying attention to how he plays. He just can't run a team. He's a combo guard at best. Walker won the battle the last game clearly. Knight just chucked up shot after shot and couldn't create for his team.

Just because Knight's team got to the final four doesn't mean you should compare him to Wall. He'll never be on Wall's level. Plus, Kemba only really had Lamb to help him, while Knight had Jones, Lamb, Harrellson, Liiggins.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#522 » by MEDIC » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:08 pm

I can't believe that people are still lobbying for Brandon Knight.

He looks nothing like a PG. I'm not sure what we would do with a 6'3" SG that can't handle in traffic & can't finish at the rim.

There are probably at least 10 players that I would take before Knight.

If I'm forced to take someone from Kentucky, I'll take Terrence Jones.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#523 » by yayotube » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:08 pm

HA! wrote:Jonas Valanciunas reminds me of Andris Biedrins but with good free throw shooting. I don't think he exceeds that, and he hasn't shown that he will, and it might even take him a couple of years to get to that level as he is not physically matured yet. But do you take him with such a high pick?

This draft sucks major balls. I seriously hope the Raptors luck out and somehow get Irving.

That's what I'm saying. His ceiling seems limited.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#524 » by baulderdash77 » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:08 pm

In the NBA you never ever trade down. This is a star driven league and a top guy is a better decision than 2 marginal players. It's often a good decision in the NFL but that's a different sport.

If we have a top 5 pick you take the guy you want and run with it.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#525 » by load management » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:08 pm

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HA! wrote:Jonas Valanciunas reminds me of Andris Biedrins but with good free throw shooting. I don't think he exceeds that, and he hasn't shown that he will, and it might even take him a couple of years to get to that level as he is not physically matured yet. But do you take him with such a high pick?

This draft sucks major balls. I seriously hope the Raptors luck out and somehow get Irving.

I wouldn't touch JV with our pick can you imagine a front court of him and Bargs? That would be just awful the league would laugh at us..


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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#526 » by yayotube » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:10 pm

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HA! wrote:Jonas Valanciunas reminds me of Andris Biedrins but with good free throw shooting. I don't think he exceeds that, and he hasn't shown that he will, and it might even take him a couple of years to get to that level as he is not physically matured yet. But do you take him with such a high pick?

This draft sucks major balls. I seriously hope the Raptors luck out and somehow get Irving.

I wouldn't touch JV with our pick can you imagine a front court of him and Bargs? That would be just awful the league would laugh at us..

I think with how Ed Davis has played the past month or so, BC can't possibly justify drafting a big man to pair with Bargnani, but would rather move the problem (Bargnani) itself.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#527 » by TiKusDom » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:11 pm

Reef wrote:Knight's the most overrated guy. You're relying too much on his potential and not paying attention to how he plays. He just can't run a team. He's a combo guard at best. Walker won the battle the last game clearly. Knight just chucked up shot after shot and couldn't create for his team.


do explain how an 18 year old leading a powerhouse program like Kentucky, who had 5 NBA prospects on its team last year, to its first final four in over 10 years is over rated? He cant run a team? He has been running Kentucky's offense , who finished as a 4 seed and was in the final 4. Do explain how a player who cant run a team , is the most important player on the team, and manages to get his team to the highest peak its had in over decade? Maybe you are the one underrating him
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#528 » by 5DOM » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:12 pm

It's going to be Davis/Valanciunas anyway. Besides we've already played with worse frontcourt than that. No way this guy's not better than Ajinca
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#529 » by 5DOM » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:15 pm

Knight shot something like 32% from the floor this tourny and he shot a lot. Although i do think hes got good potential, his contribution is overrated because of couple of memorable plays
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#530 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:16 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:In the NBA you never ever trade down. This is a star driven league and a top guy is a better decision than 2 marginal players. It's often a good decision in the NFL but that's a different sport.

If we have a top 5 pick you take the guy you want and run with it.


It is if there's a small gap between 5 and 10

For example in 09 Flynn went 6 while Derozan and Holliday went 9 and 17 respectively.

Last year Wes Johnson went 4 and Paul George and Ed Davis went 10 and 13

If Kanter's there where we pick, I think we should just take him. But if we're looking at something like Kemba or Jonas at 5 as compared to trading down to 10/16 and taking a Knight/Hamilton or T Jones type combo, that's pretty good
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#531 » by Reef » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:16 pm

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Reef wrote:Knight's the most overrated guy. You're relying too much on his potential and not paying attention to how he plays. He just can't run a team. He's a combo guard at best. Walker won the battle the last game clearly. Knight just chucked up shot after shot and couldn't create for his team.


do explain how an 18 year old leading a powerhouse program like Kentucky, who had 5 NBA prospects on its team last year, to its first final four in over 10 years is over rated? He cant run a team? He has been running Kentucky's offense , who finished as a 4 seed and was in the final 4. Do explain how a player who cant run a team , is the most important player on the team, and manages to get his team to the highest peak its had in over decade? Maybe you are the one underrating him


He wasn't the only talent on that team. He didn't lead them in that last game did he? He had Jones, Harrellson, Liggins, Lamb. Put Wall or Kemba on that team instead and they'd be in the finals.

Kemba only had Lamb to help. You put Knight on his team instead and they wouldn't make it to the final four. You look too much at things "on paper" like his age and height but not his actual game.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#532 » by baulderdash77 » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:18 pm

Generally speaking it doesn't work out that way. If you like a guy, just stay where you are and take him.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#533 » by TiKusDom » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:21 pm

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He wasn't the only talent on that team. He didn't lead them in that last game did he? He had Jones, Harrellson, Liggins, Lamb. Put Wall or Kemba on that team instead and they'd be in the finals.

Kemba only had Lamb to help. You put Knight on his team instead and they wouldn't make it to the final four. You look too much at things "on paper" like his age and height but not his actual game.


He didnt lead the team in the last game? Oh im sorry guess you must have forgotten his game winning shot against Ohio State , the number one program in the country. Oh and maybe the game winning shot against Princeton. Or maybe the 30 game performance over West Virgina. Oh and I guess he didnt lead his team to a win over UNC and Harrison Barnes with a 22 7 4 performance. Right.. im only looking at his height and weight :lol: :lol:
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#534 » by baulderdash77 » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:22 pm

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He wasn't the only talent on that team. He didn't lead them in that last game did he? He had Jones, Harrellson, Liggins, Lamb. Put Wall or Kemba on that team instead and they'd be in the finals.

Kemba only had Lamb to help. You put Knight on his team instead and they wouldn't make it to the final four. You look too much at things "on paper" like his age and height but not his actual game.


That's true. Knight hit a few memorable shots, but he wasn't terribly efficient in the tournament. I got hyped up by the 30 pt game and the game winning shot he made, but the rest of the time he was a bit of a chucker. It's easy to get caught up in the moment and over-hype a guy. It happens every year.

I really do like Kemba alot. He has a star quality to him where he'll take his team on his back and will them to win. That's something this team has been missing for a long time.

That being said, we now have to decide if he's enough of an upgrade (or at all) over Bayless to make that pick if we're at the #5 spot.
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Post#535 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:27 pm

If Jeremy Lamb has a big game, which is very possible if Butler keys in on Kemba, does he declare for the draft? Where do you take him?
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Post#536 » by 5DOM » Mon Apr 4, 2011 10:36 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:If Jeremy Lamb has a big game, which is very possible if Butler keys in on Kemba, does he declare for the draft? Where do you take him?


His length may allow him to play the 3 but I think he's a 2. Not sure what we'll do with DeMar already at 2, but I like Lamb a lot
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#537 » by CunningLinguist » Mon Apr 4, 2011 11:03 pm

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RomaniaLuvTR wrote:i want no part of walker, we are so bad on D and u want a midget pg??if we have no chance at irving i want Knight or trade the pick for Rubio..


Is Rondo considered a midget?

don`t compare Rondo`s d with Walker`s, Rondo is a pass first pg,Walker is a scorer, and don`t compare our defensive system with Boston`s...


I'm guessing you never saw Rondo play at Kentucky. Tubby Smith moved him from point guard to shooting guard halfway through his sophomore season because he tired of his turnovers and inability to find open looks for teammates.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#538 » by Reef » Mon Apr 4, 2011 11:26 pm

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He wasn't the only talent on that team. He didn't lead them in that last game did he? He had Jones, Harrellson, Liggins, Lamb. Put Wall or Kemba on that team instead and they'd be in the finals.

Kemba only had Lamb to help. You put Knight on his team instead and they wouldn't make it to the final four. You look too much at things "on paper" like his age and height but not his actual game.


He didnt lead the team in the last game? Oh im sorry guess you must have forgotten his game winning shot against Ohio State , the number one program in the country. Oh and maybe the game winning shot against Princeton. Or maybe the 30 game performance over West Virgina. Oh and I guess he didnt lead his team to a win over UNC and Harrison Barnes with a 22 7 4 performance. Right.. im only looking at his height and weight :lol: :lol:



:lol:

Did you see his last game against UCONN? Oh I'm sorry you must've forgot. A game winning shot is not enough to justify a top 5 pick, especially when he goes 0-7 in the previous 7 shots, or shoots 6-23 like in the last game. He's an awful shooter. 1-8, 9-20, 3-10, 7-18-6-23 is just not that impressive. Anybody can score lots of points on those percentages. He never went over 5 assists in those games either.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#539 » by baulderdash77 » Mon Apr 4, 2011 11:35 pm

I'm getting disappointed on the news of people returning to college. A few weeks ago I thought the draft would be ok. But now it sounds like Sullinger, Barnes & Henson may all go back. That's 3 lotto picks.

Outside of Irving & Williams you're looking at a big gap then Walker, Knight, Jones & Jones, and the Euro's. Wow we'd better get a top 2 pick or the tank is going to go off the track!
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Post#540 » by TiKusDom » Mon Apr 4, 2011 11:36 pm

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Did you see his last game against UCONN? Oh I'm sorry you must've forgot. A game winning shot is not enough to justify a top 5 pick, especially when he goes 0-7 in the previous 7 shots, or shoots 6-23 like in the last game. He's an awful shooter. 1-8, 9-20, 3-10, 7-18-6-23 is just not that impressive. Anybody can score lots of points on those percentages. He never went over 5 assists in those games either.


Oh right two game winning shots , one against the best team in the NCAA is not enough :lol: an aful shooter , sorry far more credible and knowledgeable people than you disagree

Has an excellent jumpshot with range out to 3 point … Good shooter off the dribble

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/brandon-knight

On the offensive end, Knight brings a versatile skill set to the table, starting with his perimeter jumper. Possessing NBA range and the ability to make shots coming off screens, pulling up, or spotting up, Knight is a great shooter with very good form, boasting both a high and quick release.



Possibly the most impressive segment of Knight's game thus far is his ability to hit tough shots from the mid-range, where he has a variety of floaters, runners, and pull-up jumpers in his arsenal. Very crafty in getting to different areas of the floor with the ball, Knight is dangerous scoring the ball in the 5-15 foot range, where he shows excellent touch, can finish through contact, and shows pretty good consistency with his mechanics.


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You dont even know the difference between being a good shooter, and having poor shot selection. Brandon Knight is an excellent shooter, but he took poor shots, there is a big difference. Shot selection comes with experience. :lol: you dont even know the difference between the two , how can you even try to evaluate an NBA prospect's game . What a joke. I suggest you actually do some research and watch some games before putting forth such a weak observation :lol: Sorry , but the people who actually scout these players just S***t on your observation

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